Pakistani defence industrial base better than ours: Indian Army Vice Chief Lt. Gen. Sarath Chand

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

10 smileys aren't enough to hide your ignorance about these, beta.

Fair point little boy. Can you post a link for your claims. I can't seem to find one.

 

[gslv mk3]

Fair point little boy. Can you post a link for your claims. I can't seem to find one.

Sure, little troll.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ds-envy-indias-pride/articleshow/59407800.cms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Heavy_Water_Reactor

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Sure, little troll.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ds-envy-indias-pride/articleshow/59407800.cms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Heavy_Water_Reactor

Little boy, can you give a RELIABLE, HONEST & INDEPENDENT source. indian sources and indipedia/wikipedia don't fit that criteria.

 

[gslv mk3]

Little boy, can you give a RELIABLE, HONEST & INDEPENDENT source. indian sources and indipedia/wikipedia don't fit that criteria.

Google it then little troll. try world-nuclear.org & iaea sources

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Google it then little troll. try world-nuclear.org & iaea sources

Little weiner boy, I have been trying for 10 mins. No independent confirmation of what you say. All I'm getting are links to how China will catch up and surpass America in the coming years. I'm just getting info tvat confirms the opposite of what you say.

 

[Anish1]

VCOAS LT. GEN. Sarath Chand is better informed that most trolls here.

Fact is India has a very poor military industrial complex.

As sarcasm he said it's worse than Pakistan's which is true and the reaction of outrage is intended to fix and improve the Mil-Industrial complex.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

This thread could not prove if indian defence industry is inferior. But it did prove that Indians have one of the smallest willies in the world.

 

[gslv mk3]

Little weiner boy, I have been trying for 10 mins. No independent confirmation of what you say. All I'm getting are links to how China will catch up and surpass America in the coming years. I'm just getting info tvat confirms the opposite of what you say.

It's not my fault that you can't even do a simple google search, kid. Let me spoon feed you.

Fast neutron reactors
Longer term, the AEC envisages its fast reactor program being 30 to 40 times bigger than the PHWR program, and initially at least, largely in the military sphere until its "synchronised working" with the reprocessing plant is proven on an 18- to 24-month cycle. This will be linked with up to 40,000 MWe of light water reactor capacity, the used fuel feeding ten times that fast breeder capacity, thus "deriving much larger benefit out of the external acquisition in terms of light water reactors and their associated fuel". This 40 GWe of imported LWR capacity multiplied to 400 GWe via FBR would complement 200-250 GWe based on the indigenous three-stage program of PHWR-FBR-AHWR (see Thorium cycle section below). Thus AEC is "talking about 500 to 600 GWe nuclear over the next 50 years or so" in India, plus export opportunities.

In 2002 the regulatory authority issued approval to start construction of a 500 MWe prototype fast breeder reactor (PFBR) at Kalpakkam and this has been built by BHAVINI (Bharatiya Nabhikiya Vidyut Nigam Ltd), a government enterprise set up under DAE to focus on FBRs. It was expected to start up in September 2014, fuelled with MOX (mixed uranium-plutonium oxide, the 30% of reactor-grade Pu being from its existing PHWRs) made at Tarapur by BARC, as hexagonal fuel asemblies. It has a blanket with uranium and thorium to breed fissile plutonium and U-233 respectively, taking the thorium program to stage two, and setting the scene for eventual full utilisation of the country's abundant thorium to fuel reactors. It is a sodium-cooled pool-type reactor having two primary and two secondary loops, with four steam generators per loop. It is designed for a 40-year operating life at 75% load factor. Two more such 500 MWe fast reactors have been announced for construction at Kalpakkam, but slightly redesigned by the Indira Gandhi Centre to reduce capital cost. Then four more are planned at another site.

Initial FBRs will have mixed oxide fuel or carbide fuel, but these will be followed by metallic fuelled ones to enable shorter doubling time. One of the last of the above six, or possibly the fourth one overall, is to have the flexibility to convert from MOX to metallic fuel (ie a dual fuel unit), and it is planned to convert the small FBTR to metallic fuel about 2013 (see R&D section below). With metal fuel, a 500 MWe unit is expected to produce 2 tonnes of reactor-grade plutonium in 8-10 years. The reactor is not under international safeguards.

Following these will be a 1000 MWe fast reactor using metallic fuel, and construction of the first is expected to start about 2020. This design is intended to be the main part of the Indian nuclear fleet from the 2020s. A fuel fabrication plant and a reprocessing plant for metal fuels are planned for Kalpakkam, as the Fast Reactor Fuel Cycle Facility approved for construction in 2013.

Thorium

India’s nuclear developers have designed an Advanced Heavy Water Reactor (AHWR) specifically as a means for ‘burning’ thorium – this will be the final phase of their three-phase nuclear energy infrastructure plan (see below). The reactor will operate with a power of 300 MWe using thorium-plutonium or thorium-U-233 seed fuel in mixed oxide form. It is heavy water moderated (& light water cooled) and will eventually be capable of self-sustaining U-233 production. In each assembly 30 of the fuel pins will be Th-U-233 oxide, arranged in concentric rings. About 75% of the power will come from the thorium. Construction of the pilot AHWR was envisaged in the 12th plan period to 2017, for operation about 2022.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It's not my fault that you can't even do a simple google search, kid. Let me spoon feed you.

Fast neutron reactors
Longer term, the AEC envisages its fast reactor program being 30 to 40 times bigger than the PHWR program, and initially at least, largely in the military sphere until its "synchronised working" with the reprocessing plant is proven on an 18- to 24-month cycle. This will be linked with up to 40,000 MWe of light water reactor capacity, the used fuel feeding ten times that fast breeder capacity, thus "deriving much larger benefit out of the external acquisition in terms of light water reactors and their associated fuel". This 40 GWe of imported LWR capacity multiplied to 400 GWe via FBR would complement 200-250 GWe based on the indigenous three-stage program of PHWR-FBR-AHWR (see Thorium cycle section below). Thus AEC is "talking about 500 to 600 GWe nuclear over the next 50 years or so" in India, plus export opportunities.

In 2002 the regulatory authority issued approval to start construction of a 500 MWe prototype fast breeder reactor (PFBR) at Kalpakkam and this has been built by BHAVINI (Bharatiya Nabhikiya Vidyut Nigam Ltd), a government enterprise set up under DAE to focus on FBRs. It was expected to start up in September 2014, fuelled with MOX (mixed uranium-plutonium oxide, the 30% of reactor-grade Pu being from its existing PHWRs) made at Tarapur by BARC, as hexagonal fuel asemblies. It has a blanket with uranium and thorium to breed fissile plutonium and U-233 respectively, taking the thorium program to stage two, and setting the scene for eventual full utilisation of the country's abundant thorium to fuel reactors. It is a sodium-cooled pool-type reactor having two primary and two secondary loops, with four steam generators per loop. It is designed for a 40-year operating life at 75% load factor. Two more such 500 MWe fast reactors have been announced for construction at Kalpakkam, but slightly redesigned by the Indira Gandhi Centre to reduce capital cost. Then four more are planned at another site.

Initial FBRs will have mixed oxide fuel or carbide fuel, but these will be followed by metallic fuelled ones to enable shorter doubling time. One of the last of the above six, or possibly the fourth one overall, is to have the flexibility to convert from MOX to metallic fuel (ie a dual fuel unit), and it is planned to convert the small FBTR to metallic fuel about 2013 (see R&D section below). With metal fuel, a 500 MWe unit is expected to produce 2 tonnes of reactor-grade plutonium in 8-10 years. The reactor is not under international safeguards.

Following these will be a 1000 MWe fast reactor using metallic fuel, and construction of the first is expected to start about 2020. This design is intended to be the main part of the Indian nuclear fleet from the 2020s. A fuel fabrication plant and a reprocessing plant for metal fuels are planned for Kalpakkam, as the Fast Reactor Fuel Cycle Facility approved for construction in 2013.

Thorium

India’s nuclear developers have designed an Advanced Heavy Water Reactor (AHWR) specifically as a means for ‘burning’ thorium – this will be the final phase of their three-phase nuclear energy infrastructure plan (see below). The reactor will operate with a power of 300 MWe using thorium-plutonium or thorium-U-233 seed fuel in mixed oxide form. It is heavy water moderated (& light water cooled) and will eventually be capable of self-sustaining U-233 production. In each assembly 30 of the fuel pins will be Th-U-233 oxide, arranged in concentric rings. About 75% of the power will come from the thorium. Construction of the pilot AHWR was envisaged in the 12th plan period to 2017, for operation about 2022.

Can I have the link please.

 

[gslv mk3]

Can I have the link please.

hyperlinked to the headings.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

hyperlinked to the headings.

Got it. Now where does it say india is more advanced than China? Couldn't find that one.

 

[gslv mk3]

Got it. Now where does it say india is more advanced than China? Couldn't find that one.

Genius, now try searching about Chinese FBRs & thorium reactors. Or should I do that for you ?

World-nuclear association is a professional body, not a comparison site.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Genius, now try searching about Chinese FBRs & thorium reactors. Or should I do that for you ?

World-nuclear association is a professional body, not a comparison site.

China is a nation that is all but set to become a superpower and surpass the West & America in a few years. DO YOU honestly believe that india would be ahead of it in nuclear technology or fast breeder programs? That is a difficult notion to believe especially in light of the fact that indians have been proven wrong time and time again in making outlandish claims. It's reminiscent of when indians vehemently proclaimed that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance.

PS So you have again proven your claims to be unfounded. You still havn't managed to provide reliable conclusive evidence that india is ahead of China in nuclear/fast breeder technology.

 

[gslv mk3]

China is a nation that is all but set to become a superpower and surpass the West & America in a few years. DO YOU honestly believe that india would be ahead of it in nuclear technology or fast breeder programs? That is a difficult notion to believe especially in light of the fact that indians have been proven wrong time and time again in making outlandish claims. It's reminiscent of when indians vehemently proclaimed that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance.

Butt-hurt much ?

PS So you have again proven your claims to be unfounded. You still havn't managed to provide reliable conclusive evidence that india is ahead of China in nuclear/fast breeder technology.

Kid, our first commercial FBR (500 MWe) is almost complete & will be commissioned by this year. This is after an experimental one in the 1980s which we operate until today.

Meanwhile China commissioned their first experimental FBR (65 MWt) with Russian collaboration in 2014, and has no commercial plants under construction now.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/N...n-fuel-reloads-for-fast-reactor-04011701.html

so there will be only two nations with commercial FBR reactors in operation- Russia (BN 800) & India (PFBR)

edit: And on Thorium India now has designed AHWR reactor for commercial operations whereas China is yet to do.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Butt-hurt much ?



Kid, our first commercial FBR (500 MWe) is almost complete & will be commissioned by this year. This is after an experimental one in the 1980s which we operate until today.

Meanwhile China commissioned their first experimental FBR (65 MWt) with Russian collaboration in 2014, and has no commercial plants under construction now.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/N...n-fuel-reloads-for-fast-reactor-04011701.html

so there will be only two nations with commercial FBR reactors in operation- Russia (BN 800) & India (PFBR)

Little weiner man, you are all but just engaging in mere selective conjecture. WHERE IS THE IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE that india is ahead of China? If you can't find anything worthwhe than your claims are null and void. As well as unfounded.


PS Only Russia and india? So now india is also ahead of America?????......

Keep going!!!!!!!!...................................