Pakistani-Canadians: Falling below the poverty line

[Hello_10]

This is true. It's getting harder and harder for Pakistanis to find jobs outside of the most Pakistani populated areas. We're earning less too.

if you are a Canadian citizen then I tell you few of my experience. If you go for a job interview and no matter how good you answer, you don’t get job because your name is Haneef/ Mohammad/ Saleem/ Iqbaal etc then its you who have to find the reason behind it . Im registered as sunny in Centrelink, Medicare, in Voting list etc of Australia then there is a reason behind it…….. I even know few muslims who say that they couldn’t get promotions because they don’t drink in usual official parties. while on the other hand, there were few from India who not only drink with their bosses in usual parties, have dated few of the women of the organizations they work for, and with having a english name, they are very successful there . if you will show Sharafat to a western girl because you have your wife back in pakistan, for example, then she will only think of you like a shiiiit. even western men want only those migrants who earn and have fun with their women in that western country, they don’t want those people who work there and send money to their dependents back home……...

if you can’t adopt their culture, you are more likely to fall below the low income group people. they would simply kick your a$$ if your presence among them will show that they are not good people, by presence of your sharafat among them. they know that they have become like this and they will invite Muslims in their society only if it will give them a sense of pride to be western. Your sharafat will only harm you. they hate the culture you proud on

 

[Edevelop]

Many Pakistani Canadians live abroad and show themselves 'poor' purposefully so they could benefit money from Canada Revenue. Don't know how that works but many have been caught doing that.... I must say, Pakistanis are generally masters in doing fraud....

Neither can white people change and nor can Pakistanis....

 

[Hello_10]

Could be because of the skill shortages they have. Phillipinos in general tend to have hospitality, nursing and hair dressing and other trade related skills. There is shortage in these areas in countries like Canada and Australia.

there are very few in world who may dare to say the truths and i tell you a bottomline thing. there are two categories of migrants in australia, one those who are on working visa/ student visa/ temporary visa etc, and the other category of those who are permanent residents/ citizens there and I think you are still in the first category, as per your answer. I belong to the second category and I tell you my one experience, when a Philipo talk to a migrant of other Asian country like Indonesia, India, China etc, he generally try to behave like an owner of Australia. but many times I get favor from the migrants of Philippines because my name there is sunny……………

 

[Edevelop]

I think it has got more to do with "blending"... pakistan's people tend to be conservative in nature and not blend so well to foreign country's culture (because of religious and other issues). Perhaps that is why we see pakistan in a lower position (average).

The solution is not to convert to Christianity, but to take psychological courses to improve their rapport building skills as well as blend more to the culture concerned.

Personally, I do not buy into the argument that muslims don't find opportunity just because they are Muslims. I''ve stayed in the west for a major part of my lifetime for me to be able to say that. It is more because of the conservative culture followed by Muslims which is ridiculous in the west (the ridiculous non-Islamic headcover/veil + unshaven beards + low self confidence etc)

You are quite right. Pakistanis are generally conservative. They are active as hijabees, as mosque controllers, in arranged marriages, in halal foods, and in local languages, etc... I have seen Indians, Chinese, Italians, Greeks, etc and many look and talk the same. They have become integrated into American like lifestyle.
But one thing for sure is that Caucasian Canadians tend to show some form of hatred towards different cultures. The usually live in farther distances....

 

[Edevelop]

if you are a Canadian citizen then I tell you few of my experience. If you go for a job interview and no matter how good you answer, you don’t get job because your name is Haneef/ Mohammad/ Saleem/ Iqbaal etc then its you who have to find the reason behind it . Im registered as sunny in Centrelink, Medicare, in Voting list etc of Australia then there is a reason behind it…….. I even know few muslims who say that they couldn’t get promotions because they don’t drink in usual official parties. while on the other hand, there were few from India who not only drink with their bosses in usual parties, have dated few of the women of the organizations they work for, and with having a english name, they are very successful there . if you will show Sharafat to a western girl because you have your wife back in pakistan, for example, then she will only think of you like a shiiiit. even western men want only those migrants who earn and have fun with their women in that western country, they don’t want those people who work there and send money to their dependents back home……...

if you can’t adopt their culture, you are more likely to fall below the low income group people. they would simply kick your a$$ if your presence among them will show that they are not good people, by presence of your sharafat among them. they know that they have become like this and they will invite Muslims in their society only if it will give them a sense of pride to be western. Your sharafat will only harm you. they hate the culture you proud on

You are right.
The jobs for others i.e. for Non-Caucasioans is next to impossible. Most of the government jobs, professors, doctors, lawyers, and for other high qualification holding is given to Caucasians. You will find some of our educated people driving taxis and doing tough $10/hour jobs....

 

[pak-marine]

its bound to happen what does that frozen land has to offer anyway ?? people are better off going to uk or australia

 

[Roybot]

there are very few in world who may dare to say the truths and i tell you a bottomline thing. there are two categories of migrants in australia, one those who are on working visa/ student visa/ temporary visa etc, and the other category of those who are permanent residents/ citizens there and I think you are still in the first category, as per your answer. I belong to the second category and I tell you my one experience, when a Philipo talk to a migrant of other Asian country like Indonesia, India, China etc, he generally try to behave like an owner of Australia. but many times I get favor from the migrants of Philippines because my name there is sunny……………

Yeah nah I was born in India but am an Australian citizen now, been here for almost 15-16 years now. And I have no idea what you mean by "phillipinos act like they own Australia".

Either case, none of that was relevant to what I said. Its a known fact that hardly anyone in the Sub continent, who also happens to have OK English skills will ever get a trades certificate, like hair dressing, cookery, plumbing, a/c mechanic, motor mechanic and so on. Countries like Australia and Canada have shortage in these areas. Philipinos on the other hand don't have this issue, they get these trades certificates and migrate to Canada/Australia. Their English is not too bad either, minus the annoying fake American accent of course.

Earlier they had shortage of professionals like Engineers, Accountants, Dentists and stuff, and thats when migration from the sub continent peaked. I don't think it has anything to do with Muslims being shunned out of Canada or anything like that.

 

[Edevelop]

its bound to happen what does that frozen land has to offer anyway ?? people are better off going to uk or australia

U.K and Australia ---Temporarily....

Canada has the edge --- long term.
No country in the world has as many resources as much as Canadians have. Fresh Water/Glaciers, Has Gas, Oil, and Coal reserves greater than U.S, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela, has many types of elements, forestry, and is one of the world's high ranked country in producing Wheat. There is much more in Canada than being called just a 'frozen land'. Frankly, you have to do hardwork but free health care and other government support is a reward.
Though the general grouping of the system might sound cruel, there was no Western country none other than Canada that survived economic recession, and yes this is a fact.

 

[Hello_10]

You are right.
The jobs for others i.e. for Non-Caucasioans is next to impossible. Most of the government jobs, professors, doctors, lawyers, and for other high qualification holding is given to Caucasians. You will find some of our educated people driving taxis and doing tough $10/hour jobs....

you reminded me about my one senior, he was from Iran. his name was Mehadi Azad, when I was working for Mineral Engineering Technical Services in Perth in 2007. when I got job with a MNC and working somewhere else, after 1-2 years, I found him driving taxi one day as he couldnt get job in his field, he had over 10 years of work experience......................

 

[King Solomon]

You are right.
The jobs for others i.e. for Non-Caucasioans is next to impossible. Most of the government jobs, professors, doctors, lawyers, and for other high qualification holding is given to Caucasians. You will find some of our educated people driving taxis and doing tough $10/hour jobs....

is it so bad in canada? It isn't THAT bad in Europe...

 

[Hello_10]

Yeah nah I was born in India but am an Australian citizen now, been here for almost 15-16 years now. And I have no idea what you mean by "phillipinos act like they own Australia".

Either case, none of that was relevant to what I said. Its a known fact that hardly anyone in the Sub continent, who also happens to have OK English skills will ever get a trades certificate, like hair dressing, cookery, plumbing, a/c mechanic, motor mechanic and so on. Countries like Australia and Canada have shortage in these areas. Philipinos on the other hand don't have this issue, they get these trades certificates and migrate to Canada/Australia. Their English is not too bad either, minus the annoying fake American accent of course.

Earlier they had shortage of professionals like Engineers, Accountants, Dentists and stuff, and thats when migration from the sub continent peaked. I don't think it has anything to do with Muslims being shunned out of Canada or anything like that.

they simply dont want Muslims, just accept it.............

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[Hello_10]

is it so bad in canada? It isn't THAT bad in Europe...

tell them about Norway, how that man scored so many in one go with his hate with muslims, that gun man?

 

[King Solomon]

tell them about Norway, how that man scored so many in one go with his hate with muslims, that gun man?

I'm not saying the problem is not there.. just that it's not as severe as you described it is in Canada.

Btw, are you in Canada right now?

 

[Roybot]

yes and you will then name me a racist troll? have a look as below, it is a slap on the people like you who try to hide truths of Australia, US, UK, Canada type countries. they simply dont want Muslims, just accept it.............

Can you stop being so judgemental. Just then you didn't even know who I was, and now you say "people like me".

News paper articles aren't worth much, people have right to have individual opinion. Show me a decrease in the number of Muslim immigrants to Australia and i'll believe you. Australian Bureau of Statistics would be a good place to start.

 

[ZABASHO]

no one else find it funny that everything was compared with Indians?? Who is obsessed with whom!!??