Pakistan would buy Chinese HD-1 supersonic missile

[LKJ86]

The information of HD-1 will be disclosed on November 5, 2018.

 

[LKJ86]

HD-1

 

[Zhukov]

Ku 30 MKI

Ab ye kya chiz hai?

 

[HariPrasad]

Ab ye kya chiz hai?

Bloody auto correct. SU 30 MKI.

 

[Akasa]

There is an export-oriented anti-ship ballistic missile displayed at Zhuhai 2018, called the CM-401. It has a range of 290 km and a terminal speed of Mach 6 (in-flight speed Mach 4 while transiting).

Seems to be based on the M20 or the B-611 series.

 

[HRK]

Seems to be based on the M20 or the B-611 series.

to me its the ground launch variant of CM-400 which itself was a derivative of SY-400

 

[Akasa]

to me its the ground launch variant of CM-400 which itself was a derivative of SY-400
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Shape & size of the missile look quite different from that of the CM-400AKG.

 

[HRK]

Shape & size of the missile look quite different from that of the CM-400AKG.

obviously size will be different due to range and launch mechanism and I don't know what you mean to say by different shape of both missile, if you are pointing to the lack of extra fins on the CM-401 as compare to CM-400AKG then i think that too because of difference of launch mechanism and different flight profile; one is ballistic missile other is air launched.

 

[Akasa]

obviously size will be different due to range and launch mechanism and I don't know what you mean to say by different shape of both missile, if you are pointing to the lack of extra fins on the CM-401 as compare to CM-400AKG then i think that too because of difference of launch mechanism and different flight profile; one is ballistic missile other is air launched.

The CM-401 has a stouter, shorter fuselage while the CM-400AKG has a longer and slimmer profile. There isn't anything to suggest that the two are related.

 

[Basel]

Pakistan doesn't understand that it is not man behind machine which wins the war. It is men (leaders) behind man who is behind machine. Pakistan might have great warriors alas they dont have leaders. 70 yrs of their history is replete of this hard fact. Most of the times Pakistan indulges in self inflicting adventures due to unrealistic machismo. Hope they still don't believe in 10 Indians = 1 Pakistani.


For each S400 Pakistan needs 72 missiles, for 5 such systems they need 360 missiles. For training and back up purpose another 40. In total they can by 400 missiles. What would be cost of 400 missiles? Now India needs to plan alternatives, Pakistan is forcing India into arms race.

To launch those SAMs S-400 need radars and there are ways to counter radars so its no that simple to launch 72 SAMs.

You've only considered the S-400. Barak 8 is also capable of stopping Brahmos. And both IAF and IA have the Barak 8.

Areas that are not protected by the S-400 will be protected by the Barak 8, and IAF will have 2 batteries of it in such regions. That's 64 missiles. The IA will have 8 batteries in just 1 sector, that's 256 missiles.

Any Pakistani missile has to fly over at least one of the army's Barak 8 batteries, followed by 2 of IAF's batteries and then hit the S-400. That's a lot of missiles to defeat.

And then you can consider Akash NG and the XRSAM also.

There is no arms race.

India have many type of SPaM systems which make its air defense very capable, but with advance EW capabilities alongwith long range ARMs, PGMs, Rockets, ALCMs, SLCM, LBCMs, SRBMs, UAVs, UCAVs it can be handled in NCW environment.

 

[randomradio]

India have many type of SPaM systems which make its air defense very capable, but with advance EW capabilities alongwith long range ARMs, PGMs, Rockets, ALCMs, SLCM, LBCMs, SRBMs, UAVs, UCAVs it can be handled in NCW environment.

To put things in perspective, in 1991 the US alone flew over 2300 sorties in SEAD missions, and fired over 1000 HARMs during this time.

India's air defence will be much bigger and sophisticated within the next few years.

So the question you should be asking is how much resources you will be forced to use up just defeating our SAMs, and how many losses would be considered acceptable doing this before you can actually start fighting the war. Of course, you should consider how much damage the IAF has already done in Pakistan during this time.

 

[Vanamali]

To put things in perspective, in 1991 the US alone flew over 2300 sorties in SEAD missions, and fired over 1000 HARMs during this time.

India's air defence will be much bigger and sophisticated within the next few years.

So the question you should be asking is how much resources you will be forced to use up just defeating our SAMs, and how many losses would be considered acceptable doing this before you can actually start fighting the war. Of course, you should consider how much damage the IAF has already done in Pakistan during this time.

Pakistani will say "mere paasa Nasr hai"

 

[Basel]

To put things in perspective, in 1991 the US alone flew over 2300 sorties in SEAD missions, and fired over 1000 HARMs during this time.

India's air defence will be much bigger and sophisticated within the next few years.

So the question you should be asking is how much resources you will be forced to use up just defeating our SAMs, and how many losses would be considered acceptable doing this before you can actually start fighting the war. Of course, you should consider how much damage the IAF has already done in Pakistan during this time.

US performed DEAD not SEAD there is a difference between them, also Pakistan did not have to cover whole India for any future conventional conflict.

 

[randomradio]

US performed DEAD not SEAD there is a difference between them, also Pakistan did not have to cover whole India for any future conventional conflict.

I'm talking purely of SEAD missions where the HARM was employed. Wild Weasel.

http://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-ODS-EW.html
The Bahrain based 35th TFW flew 2,331 sorties for 8,587 hours, firing close to 1,000 HARMs and two dozen AGM-45 Shrikes.

DEAD is a whole 'nother game. No point in the PAF chasing it.

PAF does not have to cover the whole of India obviously, but the area of operations is still bigger than the area the US had to cover over Iraq. And let's not even begin to talk about the sophistication of SAMs since then. Can't defeat SAMs when the ARM is intercepted.

 

[Mrc]

Can't defeat SAMs when the ARM is intercepted.

How many ARMs have s 400 intercepted in Syria to date??