Pakistan will soon get J10

[TaimiKhan]

This is very different from what most Pakistani members claim regarding the speed of JFT development..

Pakistani members mention the time frame when the design was finalized and first prototype flew in 2003, as before that all the thing was mostly on papers with F-7 airframe being redesigned into something new, and other issues. It was in 2001 that decision was made to decouple the avionics package with the airframe and commence with the prototype stage with first flight taking off in 2003 and then in 2006 we saw the current operational / production JF-17.

So the thing started in 1989 on paper and talks which kept on going till 2001 and after 2001 the final project which materialized started which brought us JF-17 and not the modified F-7 Sabre II program.

CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this was Sabre II, which was abandoned and JF-17 was started:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sabre_II

 

[帅的一匹]

The most important thing is PAF receive FC20 earlier than IAF receiving Rafale, even if 1 day earlier.

 

[TaimiKhan]

The most important thing is PAF receive FC20 earlier than IAF receiving Rafale, even if 1 day earlier.

Nothing can be said for sure as of now. Time will tell now.

 

[MilSpec]

The most important thing is PAF receive FC20 earlier than IAF receiving Rafale, even if 1 day earlier.

I dont think anyone is worried about a single al31 powered fighter, no one is loosing sleep on that

 

[Dazzler]

WS-10, Aesa

 

[帅的一匹]

I dont think anyone is worried about a single al31 powered fighter, no one is loosing sleep on that

You spend 10 billions USD to buy that psychological comfort, so, sleep tight!

 

[trident2010]

The most important thing is PAF receive FC20 earlier than IAF receiving Rafale, even if 1 day earlier.

Getting FC20 a day or year before IAF gets Rafale is not important. If PAF gets 100 J-10B now still IAF have more MKI's, Mig-29 SMT and Mirage 2000 etc. However, what is more important is once the AF gets new fighters they can start working on training, finding its strong and weak points and plan their strategy according to it.

As far as Rafale is concerned, now its flying with AESA which was the requirement of IAF. So once the deal is signed I don't think it will take too much time to induct.

 

[sancho]

J10B had been put in PLAAF service in Feburary 2012 in Guangzhou, which means the delivery time of FC20 to PAF is before 2015...

Interesting, but you didn't answerd the question, because all the mentioned features has nothing to do with improved A2G capabilites like you said. Avionics of J10A can easily be upgraded to B level and so on, but the fact remains, J10B has no changes to carry more or different A2G weapons than the A version could.

The most important thing is PAF receive FC20 earlier than IAF receiving Rafale, even if 1 day earlier.

Which doesn't make a difference anyway, since their counterparts will be Mig 29UPGs and MKIs in first place, with Rafale just coming on top.

 

[帅的一匹]

The air frame of J10b is changed, More compact and less weight by using composite material with less RCS. J10b is a multirole fighter in the baidu research you could easily find it, J10a is an air superior fighter. The max speed of J10b is decreased to 1.8 Mach but with a stronger air to ground ability. J10b is a 4.5 gen fighters, while J10a is only a 4gen fighter. A Chinese aviation engineer once said: the difficulty of modification from J10a to J10b is even harder than bring in a new air frame in the design.

 

[Yogi]

You spend 10 billions USD to buy that psychological comfort, so, sleep tight!

We didn't spend billions to win some psychological comfort as SU-30 MKI n Super 30s were more than enough for that which we will definitely recieve before J10s delivery for PAF

We went for Rafale becoz it was the best plane for our needs n not to make a micky out of Pak....

 

[sancho]

The air frame of J10b is changed, More compact and less weight by using composite material with less RCS. J10b is a multirole fighter in the baidu research you could easily find it, J10a is an air superior fighter. The max speed of J10b is decreased to 1.8 Mach but with a stronger air to ground ability. J10b is a 4.5 gen fighters, while J10a is only a 4gen fighter. A Chinese aviation engineer once said: the difficulty of modification from J10a to J10b is even harder than bring in a new air frame in the design.

Exactly, because of the changes made at the air intake mainly, but these have nothing to do with A2G capabilty! You can easily upgrade a 4th fighter with new avionics, RAM coatings, adding some composites and additional A2G weaponary to make it multi role capable, that's why IAF currently does with it's Mig 29s and that would not be different with J10A.
Take the Gripen NG as an example, with 2 x centerline stations for 1000Kg bombs or cruise missiles, that is a design change with increased A2G capability in mind.

 

[batmannow]

We didn't spend billions to win some psychological comfort as SU-30 MKI n Super 30s were more than enough for that which we will definitely recieve before J10s delivery for PAF

We went for Rafale becoz it was the best plane for our needs n not to make a micky out of Pak....

just belive me you,ill get another hot lock on by PAF on your rafale , if you ever try to cross the red thin line!

 

[prabhakar]

does it has AESA ?

 

[帅的一匹]

Yes, FC20 has AESA radar.

 

[Donatello]

Getting FC20 a day or year before IAF gets Rafale is not important. If PAF gets 100 J-10B now still IAF have more MKI's, Mig-29 SMT and Mirage 2000 etc. However, what is more important is once the AF gets new fighters they can start working on training, finding its strong and weak points and plan their strategy according to it.

As far as Rafale is concerned, now its flying with AESA which was the requirement of IAF. So once the deal is signed I don't think it will take too much time to induct.

The idea is not to field equal numbers of aircaft but, that if Pakistan buys even a handful of good planes, like J-10s armed with BVRs, then it can deliver a thrashing in return to the IAF. That will make India think twice before it decides to start a war. Doesn't matter if PAF loses all 300 combat aircraft.......if those 300 aircraft end up taking even 1/3 of IAF out......India is in a tough space considering the PLAAF sitting right on top. So India will have to negotiate a way out of war.

Wars are never something fun. And i am glad people like you don't sit in the Foreign affairs of India or Pakistan.