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Pakistan will receive three more AWACS in upcoming months

PN needs a lot of things and plans to acquire them as well for e.g. sometime back i read an article that quoted PN wants to replace its Mirage Vs with a naval variant of JF-17 but at the end of the day budget is somethings that has kept our hands tied.
world is going to change and now Navies are playing important role in the world just look at china, USA, UK, France they all are using Navies. Navy(boats + aircrafts)

1-The mirages dont belong to PN, rather PAF
2-The planes will be replaced with JFTs in due course (exact time still unknown)
why PN is not going to somehing like J-11b, j-16 etc
 
world is going to change and now Navies are playing important role in the world just look at china, USA, UK, France they all are using Navies. Navy(boats + aircrafts)


why PN is not going to somehing like J-11b, j-16 etc

Economy is the answer to your question. A strong Navy requires the backing of a Strong Economy. Pakistan Navy at this stage does not need to pose an aggressive stand. All it needs to do is develop capabilities to defend its seas for a long time or until help comes in with the current state of Economy its going through!!
 
US offered E2C Hawkeye to Pakistan in early 80's but our stupidity kept asking for AWACS E3A Sentry and ended up with nothing.


AWACS are not offensive weapons. US was hesitant to allow such assets to Pakistan because it would introduce a new paradigm in the defense capabilities of South Asia. That's exactly why we saw US objecting to even Phalcon sales to China. However, not all the platforms are sanctions proof, now three nations having AWACS assets in the region changes the policy constraint. I don't see any issues in acquiring more modern platforms given the depth of the pockets. You clearly saw the difference of quality in the flying demonstration of JF-17 and F-16 and the fact that Army continues to use Orliken . That should certainly clear doubts about why PAF still loves F-16s as front-liner, or we continue to trust our Oerlikon AA guns and good old RBS-70s despite having many homegrown as well as Chinese systems entering service in recent years. Once an aviator explained to me the difference of Russian and Western techs as ,"In west, they put a pilot in cockpit and then design an aircraft around him. In Russia, they design an aircraft first and then stuff a pilot in the machine". Sanctions are a threat but the quality-sanctions trade off still favors western systems or the rest of the world (As PAF continues to search for more falcons, Navy continues to bag more EDA ships and army still looks towards more US equipment and Cobras).
 
Economy is the answer to your question. A strong Navy requires the backing of a Strong Economy. Pakistan Navy at this stage does not need to pose an aggressive stand. All it needs to do is develop capabilities to defend its seas for a long time or until help comes in with the current state of Economy its going through!!
Actually economy Constraints are for Navy only PAF and PA are buying what they want.
 
Actually economy Constraints are for Navy only PAF and PA are buying what they want.

Ofcourse. You take any modern day economy!! Major share of its defence Pie goes for the Navy! He who rules the ocean rules the world.
 
Ofcourse. You take any modern day economy!! Major share of its defence Pie goes for the Navy! He who rules the ocean rules the world.
yes like in sanskrit there is a sentence "He who rules the Seas is most powerfull".
 
why PN is not going to something like J-11b, j-16 etc
Why do they need to have J-11B in the first place?
1-Exporting this Bird to Pakistan may irk Russia because J-11B uses a flanker frame.
2-How much anti shipping capability J-11B has at current? we don't know.
3-Is China using J-11B for anti-ship role? No because they have FBCs and J-15s doing this.
4-We don't have a platform having robust antiship and air superiority capabilities? JFT can carry both anti ship, awacs killer as well as air to air BVR weapons. So it gives us all the necessary capabilities required overseas.

US offered E2C Hawkeye to Pakistan in early 80's but our stupidity kept asking for AWACS E3A Sentry and ended up with nothing.
Aaan I see, thanks for correcting me. We got F-16s but asking for E-3 was little too much. But one must ask what happened to PAF planners there after that our procurement of AWACS was delayed till Indians inducted one.
 
No Idea!! I heard this from Alfred Thayer Mahan!! Now don't ask me who he is
really I don't know Alfred Thayer Mahan..Actually I have seen this sentence as a signature to the Indian friend.
 
things don't stay the same for long (geo-strategic-political world), then it was bi-polar world with Pakistan firmly in US camp, Soviet invasion in Afghanistan, the whole western world united against USSR, Soviet/Afghan jets intruding in to Pakistan air space and getting shot down, we had a threat and needed air surveillance and E2C was not bad, it would have given us a jump start in that arena some 30 years ago


Why do they need to have J-11B in the first place?
1-Exporting this Bird to Pakistan may irk Russia because J-11B uses a flanker frame.
2-How much anti shipping capability J-11B has at current? we don't know.
3-Is China using J-11B for anti-ship role? No because they have FBCs and J-15s doing this.
4-We don't have a platform having robust antiship and air superiority capabilities? JFT can carry both anti ship, awacs killer as well as air to air BVR weapons. So it gives us all the necessary capabilities required overseas.


Aaan I see, thanks for correcting me. We got F-16s but asking for E-3 was little too much. But one must ask what happened to PAF planners there after that our procurement of AWACS was delayed till Indians inducted one.
 
Why do they need to have J-11B in the first place?
1-Exporting this Bird to Pakistan may irk Russia because J-11B uses a flanker frame.
2-How much anti shipping capability J-11B has at current? we don't know.
3-Is China using J-11B for anti-ship role? No because they have FBCs and J-15s doing this.
4-We don't have a platform having robust antiship and air superiority capabilities? JFT can carry both anti ship, awacs killer as well as air to air BVR weapons. So it gives us all the necessary capabilities required overseas.
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1.who says that exporting j-11b will irk Russian?
2.how much anti shipping capabilities Jf-17 has?
3.J-11b has more payload as air superiority capabilities and can fly at the mach 2.35
 
Yes because we already have received 3 ZDK-03 I think these news are about some new AWACs and I hope its KJ-2000

Bhai before jumping in read the news carefully. Although it has nothing written which need to be read carefully but I meant try to understand as reporter said one will be displayed at parade so do we have a KJ-2000 on a display ?? NO.
Simply try to understand that this is a Sh!tty article.
 
1-The mirages dont belong to PN, rather PAF
Well as far as I know they belonged but now have been transferred to navy. They are flown by navy fighter pilots.
why PN is not going to somehing like J-11b, j-16 etc
They can but once again budget is the real problem.
world is going to change and now Navies are playing important role in the world just look at china, USA, UK, France they all are using Navies. Navy(boats + aircrafts)
I totally agree with you today navy is as important as airforce even India has beefed up its navy big time in past 2 decades. I don't understand why Pakistan still thinks that army and airforce only can provide credible defence. Navy is as important as well and needs to be beefed up.
 
I totally agree with you today navy is as important as airforce even India has beefed up its navy big time in past 2 decades. I don't understand why Pakistan still thinks that army and airforce only can provide credible defence. Navy is as important as well and needs to be beefed up.
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