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Pakistan Wants 'Battlefield' Nukes to Use against Indian Troops
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Zachary Keck
February 6, 2015
Pakistan Wants 'Battlefield' Nukes to Use against Indian Troops | The National Interest Blog
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Pakistan is continuing to develop tactical nuclear weapons for use on the battlefield against India, a senior U.S. intelligence official said this week.

In providing a worldwide threat assessment to the House Armed Services Committee on Tuesday, Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Vincent R. Stewart, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, discussed Pakistan’s expanding nuclear delivery systems.

“We anticipate that Pakistan will continue [its] development of new delivery systems, including cruise missiles and close-range ‘battlefield’ nuclear weapons to augment its existing ballistic missiles,” Stewart said during his opening statement, according to an official transcript.

Tactical nuclear weapons are low-yield, short-range nuclear missiles designed for use against opposing troops on the battlefield, rather than against enemy cities like strategic nuclear weapons. Both the U.S. and Soviet Union deployed them in Europe (among other places) during the Cold War, and Washington and Moscow continue to deploy them today. They are not covered in existing U.S.-Russian arms control treaties like New START.

In April 2011, Pakistan first tested the Hatf-9 (Nasr) missile, which it called a “Short Range Surface to Surface Multi Tube Ballistic Missile.” In the official statement announcing the test, Pakistan’s military said the Hatf-9 missile was nuclear-capable and had been developed to be used at “shorter ranges.”

“NASR, with a range of 60 km, carries nuclear warheads of appropriate yield with high accuracy, shoot and scoot attributes. This quick response system addresses the need to deter evolving threats,” the statement said. It added that the “test was a very important milestone in consolidating Pakistan’s strategic deterrence capability at all levels of the threat spectrum.”

Testing continued throughout 2012 and 2013, and Pakistan’s Strategic Forces are believed to have inducted the missile into service following an October 2013 test. Pakistan has continued periodic testing since that time, most recently in September of last year. However, it is unclear whether Pakistan is capable of building nuclear warheads small enough to use on the Hatf-9.

The missile itself is a derivative of the Chinese-made Weishi-2 (WS-2) short-range ballistic missile, which Beijing developed specifically to export. Starting in 2012, Pakistan began firing the Hatf-9 in four missile salvos from what it called a “state-of-the-art multi-tube launcher,” which was also derived from Chinese systems.

Pakistan developed tactical nukes as a way to counter India’s conventional military superiority. In particular, Islamabad's tactical nuclear weapons were a response to India’s development of the so-called “Cold Start” military doctrine, which calls for using small and limited excursions into Pakistani territory to respond to Islamabad-sponsored terrorist attacks.

As one analyst explained “The idea is that smaller nuclear weapons, used on Pakistani soil, would stop invading Indian forces in their tracks.” Similarly, a Pakistani missile expert told local media outlets at the time of the first test: “This is a low-yield battlefield deterrent, capable of deterring and inflicting punishment on mechanized forces like armed brigades and divisions.”

As The National Interest has previously noted, Pakistan’s tactical nuclear weapons are one of the most dangerous nuclear threats facing the world today. That’s because fielding tactical nuclear weapons underscores Islamabad's willingness to use atomic weapons even to counter non-nuclear threats (unlike India, Islamabad does not maintain a no-first-use nuclear doctrine.) Moreover, in order to be effective, Pakistan’s tactical nuclear weapons would have to be kept in a more ready state in order to be usable on short notice. Furthermore, once deployed on the frontlines, the battlefield commanders would likely be granted the authority to use them, raising the danger of a rogue general sparking a nuclear armageddon. Finally, tactical nuclear weapons, especially when deployed, would be more susceptible to theft by any one of the countless terrorist groups that find safe haven in Pakistan.

For these reasons, the U.S. intel community expressed alarm about Pakistan’s development of tactical nukes back in 2013. Stewart’s statement confirms that this remains the case today.
 
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Ok! So use them! It would be interesting to see what happens after the first battlefield nuke is fired.

I do hope the 'military strategists' of Pakistan have read India's nuclear doctrine. If not, I suggest they read it - NOW - before it's too late.
 
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How India can Counter Haft 9 or Weishi-2 (WS-2) or Nasr missile, which it called a “Short Range Surface to Surface Multi Tube Ballistic Missile.”

Forward Deployment of Missile Batteries.
As soon the Batteries are deployed, they will be picked up by Satellites, Drone, long Range Surveillance system, Battle field Management System and Spies.

If any of the Missile is Nuclear tipped, Then the Radiation fallout will be picked up by Battlefield Management System.

India's Option for Counter Deployment
Deployment of Anti Missile System.
a) Spyder Anti Missile System
b)Prithvi Air Defense (PAD)
c)Advanced Air Defence (AAD)
d)The Barak, and Barak-8
e) Akash missile air defence system

f) SA-18 Very Short Range Air Defense Systems (VSHORAD)

Can Nasr Bypass all these defence system and hit the Indian Battlefield Management HQ or Moving Convoy.
 
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Investing in battlefield Nukes...is a waste....they could have invested in reverse engineered space tech from china...coZ according to indian nuclear doctrine....


"In April 2013 Shyam Saran, convener of the National Security Advisory Board, affirmed that regardless of the size of a nuclear attack against India, be it a miniaturised version or a "big" missile, India will retaliate massively to inflict unacceptable damage"
 
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Why there is now articles which elaborate the process after using tactical nukes against Indian jawans.

Let's see what will happen. What will happen if Pakistan used it actually ? Don't you think India holds the ability to flatern the landscape of Pakistan and using using is the last resort for Pakistan . Even if India capture Azad Kashmir and invading port cites to the south of Pakistan nuclear weapons won't be used . These are not the core ideology of Pakistan . They want to survive to fight another battle. No matter how many time get defeated .Not a big deal for them it's the history we can get observations from. So these are two contradictory ideas . This just for total deception of Pakistan but to rather they will surrender for made peace pact . But you expect them to dare nuking India ?

If that's the case then they could have nuked India by now as the lost major landscape to india. But now known as independent country Bangladesh. So the land is not the issue but the hate is . So this hate is not worth to commit suicide but to live as long as possible to poke Indians with some means. Giving the small size it won't take lots of missiles to inflict retaliation with 100 % successful operation in just a few minutes . Everyone is aware of it.

How India can Counter Haft 9 or Weishi-2 (WS-2) or Nasr missile, which it called a “Short Range Surface to Surface Multi Tube Ballistic Missile.”

Forward Deployment of Missile Batteries.
As soon the Batteries are deployed, they will be picked up by Satellites, Drone, long Range Surveillance system, Battle field Management System and Spies.

If any of the Missile is Nuclear tipped, Then the Radiation fallout will be picked up by Battlefield Management System.

India's Option for Counter Deployment
Deployment of Anti Missile System.
a) Spyder Anti Missile System
b)Prithvi Air Defense (PAD)
c)Advanced Air Defence (AAD)
d)The Barak, and Barak-8
e) Akash missile air defence system

f) SA-18 Very Short Range Air Defense Systems (VSHORAD)

Can Nasr Bypass all these defence system and hit the Indian Battlefield Management HQ or Moving Convoy.
For that we need large number mr and lr sam. For both army and airforce with sufficient sam systems. As defending your infrastructure is one thing and providing air defense to the invading troops is another but any retaliation will be on the way even if it's destroyed by Sam

So using tactical nukes won't benefit pakistan but bring destruction
 
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Ok! So use them! It would be interesting to see what happens after the first battlefield nuke is fired.

I do hope the 'military strategists' of Pakistan have read India's nuclear doctrine. If not, I suggest they read it - NOW - before it's too late.

Investing in battlefield Nukes...is a waste....they could have invested in reverse engineered space tech from china...coZ according to indian nuclear doctrine....


"In April 2013 Shyam Saran, convener of the National Security Advisory Board, affirmed that regardless of the size of a nuclear attack against India, be it a miniaturised version or a "big" missile, India will retaliate massively to inflict unacceptable damage"

Why there is now articles which elaborate the process after using tactical nukes against Indian jawans.

Let's see what will happen. What will happen if Pakistan used it actually ? Don't you think India holds the ability to flatern the landscape of Pakistan and using using is the last resort for Pakistan . Even if India capture Azad Kashmir and invading port cites to the south of Pakistan nuclear weapons won't be used . These are not the core ideology of Pakistan . They want to survive to fight another battle. No matter how many time get defeated .Not a big deal for them it's the history we can get observations from. So these are two contradictory ideas . This just for total deception of Pakistan but to rather they will surrender for made peace pact . But you expect them to dare nuking India ?

If that's the case then they could have nuked India by now as the lost major landscape to india. But now known as independent country Bangladesh. So the land is not the issue but the hate is . So this hate is not worth to commit suicide but to live as long as possible to poke Indians with some means. Giving the small size it won't take lots of missiles to inflict retaliation with 100 % successful operation in just a few minutes . Everyone is aware of it.


For that we need large number mr and lr sam. For both army and airforce with sufficient sam systems. As defending your infrastructure is one thing and providing air defense to the invading troops is another but any retaliation will be on the way even if it's destroyed by Sam

So using tactical nukes won't benefit pakistan but bring destruction

Yes, Pakistan WILL use tactical nukes on its soil in case of massive Indian attack. When you guys says India will bring its massive response, you forget one thing; Pakistan's second strike capability! The massive Indian nuclear strikes will be met by massive Pakistani nuclear strikes, this time on Indian cities BECAUSE Pakistan has second strike capability. So despite Indian massive nuclear strikes, India will be destroyed (so will be Pakistan). Both people will live on contaminated grass! Wanna play?
 
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Yes, Pakistan WILL use tactical nukes on its soil in case of massive Indian attack. When you guys says India will bring its massive response, you forget one thing; Pakistan's second strike capability! The massive Indian nuclear strikes will be met by massive Pakistani nuclear strikes, this time on Indian cities BECAUSE Pakistan has second strike capability. So despite Indian massive nuclear strikes, India will be destroyed (so will be Pakistan). Both people will live on contaminated grass! Wanna play?
Second or first strike.....pak don't have enough nukes considering

1.Size of India

2.Population

3.Two tier BMD

In any case large pc of of our population will continue to survive....i am not sure about pakistan
 
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Second or first strike.....pak don't have enough nukes considering

1.Size of India

2.Population

3.Two tier BMD

In any case large pc of of our population will continue to survive....i am not sure about pakistan
We are increasing our nukes Mr and new plants are being build and they will be used to produce more nukes
 
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Yes, Pakistan WILL use tactical nukes on its soil in case of massive Indian attack. When you guys says India will bring its massive response, you forget one thing; Pakistan's second strike capability! The massive Indian nuclear strikes will be met by massive Pakistani nuclear strikes, this time on Indian cities BECAUSE Pakistan has second strike capability. So despite Indian massive nuclear strikes, India will be destroyed (so will be Pakistan). Both people will live on contaminated grass! Wanna play?
And who's gonna win to gloat over their success? The cockroaches hiding in your cupboard will have the last laugh at the stupidity of humans. According to a study, they're the only ones who'll survive a nuclear conflagration.

By the way, all this talk of a nuclear war is utter nonsense. It's never going to happen! Period!
 
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We are increasing our nukes Mr and new plants are being build and they will be used to produce more nukes
you should have ....atleast 300+ nukes and do you know your major infrastructure is near our border....dams ..power plants.....air bases...nuclear facilities and comes under the range of our cruise missile....there will be a total black out ...and back to stone age for 100 years...we don't have to send troops on the ground..


List of power stations in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Tactical nukes have only one value : to send a last warning prior to engaging Armageddon!
IN ;) all other scenarii, their use results in escalation and more importantly are almost as bad for the sending party than the receiving one unless fighting thousands of kilometers from home which is why most US tactical nukes are in Europe or as with France on aircraft carriers.

There is one logical technology for tactical nukes and that is the neutron bomb.
Very few countries ( USA-USSR-France-China-Israel ) have designed these, in part due to technical complexity but more so to maintenance issues ( N-bombs decay fast over time ) and nightmarish containment prior to use, and even then those that did field operational systems have since deactivated them to the likely exception of Israel.

France had them as I served :
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and discontinued them when it decided to include Germany under its nuclear umbrella around reunification time -1990- so that they were abandoned in 1993.

If Pakistan was/is serious about tactical nukes, that or a smallish airborne missile would be the "best" way to go.
But while it fits Pak's geographical conundrum regarding India, it remains a rather bad idea, no disrespect intended.

Good day all, Tay.
 
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