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Pakistan, US agree on new Afghan set-up - India retreating?

India reworking its strategy on Afghan projects
STAFF WRITER 20:17 HRS IST

New Delhi, Mar 10 (PTI) In the backdrop of heightened threat to its nationals in Afganistan, India is reworking its strategy on its presence there while continuing with the developmental projects to which it affirms its commitment.

According to the strategy planned after the February 26 attack, Indians working on various Indian government projects would be housed in protected establishments, sources said.

About 4000 Indians are engaged in reconstruction projects in health, power, roads and social sector across Afghanistan under the 1.3 billion dollar assistance programme.

India is also looking at options of securing the staff of its Embassy in Kabul and four Consulates and would be open to the idea of pruning their strength if it becomes absolutely essential, the sources said.

So all that India is going to do is streamline operations in Afghanistan and provide security to those who didnt have it and strengthen the present security. The Indian nationals who were killed in the blast last month were not provided adequate security, and now their security will be covered by the GoI, in addition to moving them into better secured facilities.
 
just to straighten things up... this thread is not based on TOI but on wats happenin in pakistan.

now carry on
 
just to straighten things up... this thread is not based on TOI but on wats happenin in pakistan.

now carry on

For a thinktank, you outta read all the sources I have posted, only one is ToI and I have mentioned that.

Anyway, whats so unusual about whats happening in Pakistan (spare us your diplomatic 'maneuvers') and how would that affect Indo-Afghan relations?
 
For a thinktank, you outta read all the sources I have posted, only one is ToI and I have mentioned that.

Anyway, whats so unusual about whats happening in Pakistan (spare us your diplomatic 'maneuvers') and how would that affect Indo-Afghan relations?

well this thread is centered around the so called new setup and not what indian gov plans to do. and i mentioned that bec of u saying:

'Hmmn, so all this brouhaha was over nothing.'

anyways next time ill try to do my think tank job properly and refer to all the links you post and not just one to save time. highly appreciate your pointing out of my error :undecided:
 
well this thread is centered around the so called new setup and not what indian gov plans to do. and i mentioned that bec of u saying:

'Hmmn, so all this brouhaha was over nothing.'
I actually said that because of all those posts which seem to imply that India had abandoned her Afghanistan plans - crediting Pakistan's diplomatic tango with US/NATO.
anyways next time ill try to do my think tank job properly and refer to all the links you post and not just one to save time. highly appreciate your pointing out of my error :undecided:
I am not a fan of ToI and always try to post from what I consider credible sources like The Hindu, Indian Express, The Telegraph, PTI, Reuters etc.
 
Good to see indian terrorist network/infrastructure in Afghanistan being made to leave/being limited.
 
well this thread is centered around the so called new setup and not what indian gov plans to do. and i mentioned that bec of u saying:

'Hmmn, so all this brouhaha was over nothing.'

anyways next time ill try to do my think tank job properly and refer to all the links you post and not just one to save time. highly appreciate your pointing out of my error :undecided:

Well if this thread is centered around the new so called setup in Afghanistan then why half of the thread contains people discussing few articles from Indian press (dailypioneer to be specific) and also people complaining that no body can get away praising India and cursing Pakistan. all those thing related to topic, isn't it?

India is involved in afghanistan and what it plan to do will have direct impact on the current setup in Afghanistan. So I dont think that was offtopic at all.
 
Good to see indian terrorist network/infrastructure in Afghanistan being made to leave/being limited.

As one of the articles read, Indians love Afghans and want to see some Afghans in India getting training in India and then in turn train the others in their country. Now, for a ripe mind like yours...you would go "OOOOOHHHHH the training can be for anything"..

keep guessing!!! but for India, Afghan is very important and even without India's presence there, it can still set up factories and build roads by training them in India. For people who think they have successfully routed Indians out of Afghanistan, you are only partly true, in the sense Indians there may move out!!! but some Indians and a large Indian presence will always be felt .

I would now love to see Indians set up some factories and give jobs to the locals, this would be great for the locals and also open doors economically for India through Afghanistan!!!
 
well this thread is centered around the so called new setup and not what indian gov plans to do. and i mentioned that bec of u saying:

'Hmmn, so all this brouhaha was over nothing.'

anyways next time ill try to do my think tank job properly and refer to all the links you post and not just one to save time. highly appreciate your pointing out of my error :undecided:


This is a very important development for Pakistan and USA indeed!!!! It was not Indians who burrowed through this thread, we were only naturally involved based on the deep insecurities Pakistan has with an Indian presence in Afghanistan and thus the jubilation and celebrations from some of the members here. Sad that as much as the Indian media gives them entertainment based on what they select to read and quote, it also causes them equal confusion ..wouldn't you agree???
 

i cant convince you if pakistan helped afghanistan or helped itself or both. its similar to saying that my brother helped me to help himself

You helped yourself, thats alot more logical than to say you helped us, why dont you help the Uighurs of china? you are free to think whatever way you want.

all i know is that pakistan is the only country which has suffered most from the situation in afghanistan and has also shared the most burden (i wont call it help now that i know how you see us).

we didnt tell pakistan to suffer! their policies is the main cause of this suffer.

and taking afghanistan back to soviet era is not possible or else i must have rubbed my Jini lamp.

Nope we cant take it back.

And so far we did not support NA for a logical reason. afghanistan was always used to fuel separatist movement in balochistan when under the rule of NA. if that wouldnt have happened may be we wouldnt have cared about which gov was ruling afghanistan.

The so called NA(this name is completely wrong on this military/political organization) didnt have any interest in separating Balouchistan from pakisan, it was pakisan who started hostility with them by supporting and arming their opponents. thats how they ended up being a friend of inida. remember that the so called NA was first created by pakistan in the form of Mujahideen, if india succeds to use your own creation against you, then it is your weakness in your policies.

about creating warlords... well i see it as we helping afghans to fight soviets. now if they later turned against their own people what can i say. may be we were too short sighted.

they were your creation and you dont have the right to talk about them.

. and it wasnt just your country, its ours as well which has gone down the drain due to extremism and drugs and gun culture and smuggling and many other problems.


You were wrong in your calculations! If the outcome of this policy was in your favour, you would never have raised your voice against these extremeits such as the TTP.

hate us as much as you want, but i will not let anyone simply get away with praising india and cursing pakistan when it comes to afghanistan.

No, we hate nobody.
 
Managing India's image

The February 26 gunning down of Indian workers in Kabul, followed by the stoppage of work by Indian doctors at the Indira Gandhi Institute of Child Health, is a tragic step towards what this column has long predicted: that, as the Taliban inexorably extend its influence, India will thin out in Afghanistan; and pull out entirely when a Taliban takeover appears imminent

Assessing whether it was already time to scale down was part of the mandate of National Security Advisor Shiv Shankar Menon during his weekend visit to Kabul. Despite Menon’s brave words about not cowing before terror, New Delhi understands that its public has little appetite for receiving body bags from Kabul. Unable to send in troops to protect its aid workers, India’s options are narrowing.

What will remain after India’s inevitable departure from Afghanistan is an enormous fund of goodwill generated by our billion-dollar aid-driven engagement since 2001. Projecting soft power rather than hard has been a wise and far-thinking strategy. Pakistan’s geographical proximity to Afghanistan; its cultural and religious affinity; and its self-destructive wielding of the instruments of radicalisation, all mean that Islamabad can out-kill anyone in Afghanistan. Most Afghans, including the Pashtuns, distrust and resent Pakistan; but the power to kill and coerce looms larger in the short term than the power to feed, teach and enrich

But from a longer-term perspective, India will retain enormous influence within Afghanistan, a dormant clout that will survive the power fluctuations that characterise that country. When the environment changes, that influence will flower again.

Inexplicably, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA), the creator of India’s far-sighted and pragmatic Afghanistan strategy, sheds this sophistication while dealing with our more immediate problem, Pakistan. The Indian public is entitled to fulminate about Pakistan’s self-destructive support to cross-border militancy and terrorism. But Indian policy-makers, while reflecting public anger, must also have a cooler plan. Instead, while correctly visualising Afghanistan as a patchwork of competing constituencies, the MEA addresses Pakistan as a wall-to-wall bad guy. New Delhi talks to Islamabad, but India remains disengaged from the real Pakistan.

So, which Pakistani constituency should India address? The United States, with its penchant for immediate fixes, has invariably chosen to talk to the Pakistan Army. But there is a structural reason why India cannot follow this path: the most fundamental institutional interest of “the khakis”, as Pakistan’s liberal fringe calls the army, has traditionally lain in holding up India as an adversary. The India bogey guarantees status, funding, housing and the freedom to run the country.

Today, India is especially vital as the spectre that will extricate the Pakistan Army from messy counter-insurgency operations in its tribal areas. So crucial is the Indian bogeyman that Kashmir is now getting a back-up for keeping the animosity bubbling. India’s perfidy in water-sharing is being dragged centre stage, most recently by Lashkar-e-Toiba chieftain Hafiz Saeed, that old and trusted servant of the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi. Without a trace of irony, he calls it “water terrorism”.

If the khakis are ruled out as interlocutors, what about the candle-lighters: Pakistan’s liberal fringe, an ineffectual menage of rights activists, academics, authors, poets and members of the English media. Pleasant individuals for the most part, they have served Pakistan well by masking a deeply regressive society with a patina of western-style modernity. But they have notably failed in bringing change to Pakistan and, because so few are listening to them, are granted their little space in society.

That leaves the Pakistan proletariat, small-town residents and rural peasants, most of whom are inimical to India because of the educational, social and political environment that they live in. Their religious environment is even more worrisome, with an increasingly radical clergy preaching the message of global jehad. At first look, this might appear a wasted cause for India; but deeper thought indicates that this is the audience to be addressed.

Admittedly, shaping opinion amongst the Pakistani masses will not yield results in the immediate and directly political way that shaping opinion in India does. In that under-developed democracy, security policy is only weakly linked with public perception. But, just as in Afghanistan, where India has nurtured roots that will survive a brushfire, a carefully targeted perception campaign can temper rural Pakistan’s reflexive anti-Indianism. The most potent weapon in this endeavour is information.

I remember listening, on radio monitoring networks in J&K, to conversations amongst radicalised and indoctrinated jehadis who had just infiltrated across the Line of Control. They had been told in Pakistan that every mosque in J&K had been burnt and that the Indian Army carried off any woman they fancied; all this is uncontested truth in the villages of Pakistani Punjab. It is a reality that India needs to challenge with information.

Such a campaign cannot be mounted by the MEA, which focuses excessively on scoring diplomatic points with Pakistan. Nor can it be an intelligence-led operation, which will quickly lose credibility. What is needed is a multi-disciplinary effort that carefully nuances the message and obtains the means of delivery, perhaps a special organisation under the Ministry of Culture. India needs to think carefully about spreading its message within Pakistan.

Ajai Shukla: Managing India's image in ******
 
I can't go over 7 pages to get my answer..

So are we supporting Talibans and Northern Alliance?

OR

Are we turing away from Talibans as the U.S. turned away from us during 1990's?
 

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