Pakistan, Turkey sign three documents elevating defence industry cooperation to a new level

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The I-class frigate will be configured with a Mk.41 vertical launch system with the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile. Both classes of vessels will be armed with one 76 mm main gun, two 12.7 mm guns, Mk. 46 lightweight anti-submarine warfare torpedoes, and RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile. It will also feature a hangar and flight deck for a naval utility helicopter.

The official said the deal with Pakistan, valued at about $1 billion, will involve four Ada-class ships weighing 2-2.5 tons.

“We cannot offer a vessel with Sea Sparrow missile capabilities to a non-NATO country,” the official said. “Hence the suitability of the Ada-class vessels for Pakistan.”

Turkey substantially saved in its I-class program by re-using the Ada-class platforms. Naval experts also say hull commonality will lead to maintenance savings in infrastructure.
http://www.defensenews.com/articles...k-largest-ever-export-deal-for-local-industry

Yeah but earlier in the article they were talking about selling an I-Class or two to Saudi Arabia. I don't know, the message is a bit muddled there. I think what's meant is that Turkey can't re-sell the ESSM and other U.S. arms without U.S. approval.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Yeah but earlier in the article they were talking about selling an I-Class or two to Saudi Arabia. I don't know, the message is a bit muddled there. I think what's meant is that Turkey can't re-sell the ESSM and other U.S. arms without U.S. approval.

the article said at least 2 frigates
note the ships cost 300-500 million call it 400 per unit least not forget there other things turkey makes too like the altay tank which the saudis were testing, also they have the t129 as well so the saudis being the saudis they will go all out and will end up buying the ammo as well as only know how to use it not make it unlike pakistan.

they also said pakistan is paying 1 billion for 4 ships which is <250 million per ship. id imagine they would finish building the last ships in pakistan before they begin building the hangor subs.
the price of the ship suggests they are getting a basic ship that conducts the regular lcs missions.
the price is very low pakistan would just be bob the builder putting the part together like ikea furniture. i cant see how they managed to get any tech out of them for that price remember the f22p cost 175 million each

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

the article said at least 2 frigates
note the ships cost 300-500 million call it 400 per unit least not forget there other things turkey makes too like the altay tank which the saudis were testing, also they have the t129 as well so the saudis being the saudis they will go all out and will end up buying the ammo as well as only know how to use it not make it unlike pakistan.

they also said pakistan is paying 1 billion for 4 ships which is <250 million per ship. id imagine they would finish building the last ships in pakistan before they begin building the hangor subs.
the price of the ship suggests they are getting a basic ship that conducts the regular lcs missions.
the price is very low pakistan would just be bob the builder putting the part together like ikea furniture. i cant see how they managed to get any tech out of them for that price remember the f22p cost 175 million each

I remember a few years ago the at-cost price of the MILGEM Ada was set at $250 m per ship. I don't think they're omitting much out of the PN's design relative to the Turkish Navy Ada. Unlike the initial four Turkish Navy ships - which use a lot of imported subsystems and weapons from the U.S. and Europe - the Pakistan Navy could be fit with stuff from Turkey and (as per STM) Pakistan.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I remember a few years ago the at-cost price of the MILGEM Ada was set at $250 m per ship. I don't think they're omitting much out of the PN's design relative to the Turkish Navy Ada. Unlike the initial four Turkish Navy ships - which use a lot of imported subsystems and weapons from the U.S. and Europe - the Pakistan Navy could be fit with stuff from Turkey and (as per STM) Pakistan.

i guess we will see how much pakistan has progressed.
do you know how much of the tech for the tanker was locally produced? @cabatli_53

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

i guess we will see how much pakistan has progressed.
do you know how much of the tech for the tanker was locally produced? @cabatli_53

STM kits.

 

[Blue Marlin]

STM kits.

well that explains it then, no pakistan is not ready

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

well that explains it then, no pakistan is not ready

Manufacturing the hull is probably not on the horizon, but developing some of the subsystems and weapons could be in the pipeline. We had rumours of a Pakistani AShM design, maybe that's planned for the MILGEM?

 

[Blue Marlin]

Manufacturing the hull is probably not on the horizon, but developing some of the subsystems and weapons could be in the pipeline. We had rumours of a Pakistani AShM design, maybe that's planned for the MILGEM?

the ashm is the zarb/c602 which will be seen on the azmat 2

 

[Leo~Calicratis]

from the technical aspects of development any fifth gen stealth fighter 10 year timespan is ideal, I think. and it's, surely, includes design phase, prototyping, test prototypes building, testing, and ultimately selecting final design, engineering serial production version's production lines and handing over the LRIP examples to the air force. So 10 years nothing much to build an efficient 5th gen jet.

btw, Pakistan should attach her with the Turkish defense hardware developmental projects, which are viable for them. Turkish defense equipments exports gaining strong access to those markets where western ones was monopoly. By selling the final outputs to other countries both party can return the revenues they invested.

anyway, Pakistan got super talented military leaders while lacks such in political realm. ns, zardari all r power greedy goons. They dint hesitate to sell Pakistan to its worst enemies (india, us). That's alarming. If there's any strong n patriotic political administration in Pakistan then iran, afgaynistan would think 1000 times before spitting venoms against Pakistan on behalf of india.

BAE Systems doesn't possess the rights to to decide who will join or not in the TFX program. they're just assisting in building prototype and testing manufacturing engineering technicalities. Besides, around 20 Turkish defense companies are involved in the making of F-35 JSF program, they must have some technical know how.

I doubt if the UK will be a 'partner' in a joint venture. More likely provide assistance like a sub-contractor.

 

[WarFariX]

@Windjammer i am puzzled now , Splitting things up , we have heard 3 things . Procure a chinese 5th gen (which will be stop gapbefore 2025) , make a NGF out of Kamra Aviation city post 2030 and now this TF-X . One thing is for sure and that is that we will have a 5th gen as stop gap before 2025 but what confuses me is why having 2 ideas post 2030 solutions which include NGF and TF-X to replace F-16 and thunders ?

 

[T-123456]

I agree going in the TFX and ignoring J-31 makes no sense whats so ever, one if ready to be tested by PAF now the other jets first prototype is 10 years away.

Everything we learnt with co production of he jf17 goes down the drain if we choose TFX. China Pak collaboration on jets clearly works seeing as PAF is getting export orders why ditch them now for TFX. If it aint broke dont fix it.

Where have you heard that you have to ditch a program to join another one?
Use logic,there is no ditching anything.

 

[cabatli_53]

What I see is that There is a strong understanding of Turkish side to make primarily Pakistan using USA made F-16 like TurAF and a few other ally states an official industrial partner of TF-X project. BAE is the phase-1 partner of TF-X project which is called as design phase that will take around 3 years. Phase-2 will be detail design and prototype production phase which is planned to be finalized until 2023-24. Turbofan engines will also be developed in parallel to TF-X and A new consortium established by British RR and KALE to co-develop turbo-fan and to deliver intellectual and property rights of engine to SSM at final phase. This method will make engines export free While benefiting the expertise of RR in that field as well.

 

[T-123456]

What I see is that There is a strong understanding of Turkish side to make primarily Pakistan using USA made F-16 like TurAF and a few other ally states an official industrial partner of TF-X project. BAE is the phase-1 partner of TF-X project which is called as design phase that will take around 3 years. Phase-2 will be detail design and prototype production phase which is planned to be finalized until 2023-24. Turbofan engines will also be developed in parallel to TF-X and A new consortium established by British RR and KALE to co-develop turbo-fan and to deliver intellectual and property rights of engine to SSM at final phase. This method will make engines export free While benefiting the expertise of RR in that field as well.

And not to forget,by that time,most of our indigenous weapon(missiles) systems and the AESA radar for the TF-X will be ready for use.

 

[imadul]

TAI and BAE cooperation on TFX LO platform is ominous. Great move by TAI and Turkey to enlist BAE as an industrial development partner in Turkish military aviation industry.

To me, it looks BAE will provide technological consulting services as aim of TAI is to use as much local components as possible and BAE will smooth out any technical hitches and provide components too, but it will be a great cooperation, and will help Turkish military aviation a lot.

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[Zulkarneyn]

Europe's first 5th generation air superiority will be a game changer globally.
BAE/UK has no say in the commercials of the program. Currently the export price is set at around $100 million, and we are not shy of including other countries in the project as partners, this is not a zero sum game situation, it is positive sum for the countries interested.