Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

[waz]

Congrats to Pakistan, you have a corvette that is not downgraded like the countries in the middle east , you have SIGINT and EW capable ships what is real important in a warfare. Only ECM is not enough, so againg congrats with your newtoy.

Yep hilarious seeing how much the ME nations paid for those ships as well.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Congrats to the PN...

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Congrats to Pakistan, you have a corvette that is not downgraded like the countries in the middle east , you have SIGINT and EW capable ships what is real important in a warfare. Only ECM is not enough, so againg congrats with your newtoy.

There are so many more points:
- For the capabilities PN got, it was very cost effective
- Joint partnership and TOT
- This will help develop the defense industry of a close ally and friend Turkey. Pakistan is glad that Turk defense industry is growing as well with these projects.
- The freedom to modify and add subsystems. Its not tied or closed to the OEM only.

 

[Oublious]

- The freedom to modify and add subsystems. Its not tied or closed to the OEM only.

The last part is really important, imagine PN want to upgrade ther ships with x weapon. You will able to put that weapon in that ship, what would happen if you haved a german or france ship ? They will ask billion dollars to intregate your own weapons to ther CMS.

 

[CHI RULES]

Congrats to Pakistan, you have a corvette that is not downgraded like the countries in the middle east , you have SIGINT and EW capable ships what is real important in a warfare. Only ECM is not enough, so againg congrats with your newtoy.

Cheers but it is fact that Pak defence forces since decades have the habit either to get tailor made products or to upgrade them later on. The visible examples are Type-21 frigates, Agosta 90s, Mirages and F7PGs. Similarly if I am not wrong Pak Milgem corvettes have heavy tonnage with VLS and perhaps different type ASHM from Turkey. Same goes for Pak MBTS and even lighter weapons.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

The last part is really important, imagine PN want to upgrade ther ships with x weapon. You will able to put that weapon in that ship, what would happen if you haved a german or france ship ? They will ask billion dollars to intregate your own weapons to ther CMS.

A lot of times the issue with OEMs is not just monetary. They will flatly refuse due to political or intellectual property related reasons, which cannot be overcome by any cash offer. Take a look at how EAF despite having F16s and Rafales doesn’t yet have bvr missiles just because of security concerns of a neighbor!

 

[Tank131]

A lot of times the issue with OEMs is not just monetary. They will flatly refuse due to political or intellectual property related reasons, which cannot be overcome by any cash offer. Take a look at how EAF despite having F16s and Rafales doesn’t yet have bvr missiles just because of security concerns of a neighbor!

The notion of EAF not having BVR is not only not entirely true in the past, but it is definitely ot true since ~2014. EAF has had Sparrows (Aim-7M) for some time. These have an 85km range (albeit are old, unreliable and are SARH rather than active seekers). Additionally when EAF bought Rafale, they got MICA with it,so they have at least 60km range with those. I dont think they got Meteor though. They did get R-77 with Su-35 as well.

With respect to MILGEM this was a very good deal no only for the fact that is created a new frigate/corvette line (Baburs) but a second more advanced frigate line in Jinnah too and it further deepened Turkish/Pak alliance as well as deepening ties with Italians. It also clearly involved upgrading Pakistan's production capacity. That is what was most impressive. They laid down the ship and then launched it in 17 months. That is impressive construction speed for Pakistan considering Turkey itself took 14 months. Very happy with that speed.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

The notion of EAF not having BVR is not only not entirely true in the past, but it is definitely ot true since ~2014. EAF has had Sparrows (Aim-7M) for some time. These have an 85km range (albeit are old, unreliable and are SARH rather than active seekers). Additionally when EAF bought Rafale, they got MICA with it,so they have at least 60km range with those. I dont think they got Meteor though. They did get R-77 with Su-35 as well.

Rafale with RBE2 radar but with a AAM of 60km only! This is a travesty. Same for f16s.
Now compare that with PAF F16s which came with cutting edge aim120c5 of that time in 2005 - it was just one version less than the latest and greatest c7 for USAF. These F16s and even the jf17s b2 (let alone j10s and block 3s) outgun EAF F16s and Rafales.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Rafale with RBE2 radar but with a AAM of 60km only! This is a travesty. Same for f16s.
Now compare that with PAF F16s which came with cutting edge aim120c5 of that time in 2005 - it was just one version less than the latest and greatest c7 for USAF. These F16s and even the jf17s b2 (let alone j10s and block 3s) outgun EAF F16s and Rafales.

EAF and PAF aren't the same....

As for the corruption, the best Egyptian general <<<<< the worst Pak general....

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

You people are unnecessarily calling Egyptians in this thread.
It will become d#ick measuring contest thread in no time.

 

[Oublious]

A lot of times the issue with OEMs is not just monetary. They will flatly refuse due to political or intellectual property related reasons, which cannot be overcome by any cash offer. Take a look at how EAF despite having F16s and Rafales doesn’t yet have bvr missiles just because of security concerns of a neighbor!

This is something Turkey have experienced, if they not allow you for somekind reason you will not able put your desired weapon on that CMS. Or they will ask the software of the weapon to intregate it by them self and let you pay billions or millions. They will now how your weapon works, it is something giving your weapon away.

The notion of EAF not having BVR is not only not entirely true in the past, but it is definitely ot true since ~2014. EAF has had Sparrows (Aim-7M) for some time. These have an 85km range (albeit are old, unreliable and are SARH rather than active seekers). Additionally when EAF bought Rafale, they got MICA with it,so they have at least 60km range with those. I dont think they got Meteor though. They did get R-77 with Su-35 as well.

With respect to MILGEM this was a very good deal no only for the fact that is created a new frigate/corvette line (Baburs) but a second more advanced frigate line in Jinnah too and it further deepened Turkish/Pak alliance as well as deepening ties with Italians. It also clearly involved upgrading Pakistan's production capacity. That is what was most impressive. They laid down the ship and then launched it in 17 months. That is impressive construction speed for Pakistan considering Turkey itself took 14 months. Very happy with that speed.

Why give the name of Egypt? It is not only Egypt i would named with out hesistate. IT is Marocco, KSA, Algerian and others to, if they have ESM they don't have EW. You can look to ther ships, it is really sensetive technology. And if they get it how good is it? Who cares about Egypt BVR story?

 

[Oublious]

Even the Turkish ship didn't have EW and ESM suite for a while....

 

[dBSPL]

 

[CSAW]

PNS Badr MILGEM Highlights :

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Its still unclear which anti ship missile will be used on Milgems.