Pakistan to get more SAAB 2000 Erieyes

[DESERT FIGHTER]

11 AWACS... Damn.

 

[war&peace]

Whoa now, lets all chill.

Even though the Saabs are a AWAC piece it still has devices capable of listening to communications. There's only so much sorties a modified C-130 can make.

And before knowing whether they can support both JF-17 & F-16 operations.

Modified C-130 or whatever, it is just an airframe and C-130 has a proven record. Just remember that it is airborne early warning and control system that simply means that its effectiveness depends on the systems onboard and not just on the platform and C-130 with its huge carrying capacity and high degree of stability can handle the task exceedingly good. Bigger capacity means more systems can be packed inside it.

 

[Maler]

11 AWACS... Damn.

Not AWACS, but AEW&CS!!!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Not AWACS, but AEW&CS!!!

What's the difference?
AEW&C- Airborne early warning & control system

AWACS-Airborne warning and control system

They are synonymous.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AEW&C_aircraft_operators

 

[Areesh]

11 AWACS... Damn.

I thought only 3 SAAB AWACS were active with 1 destroyed in Kamra attack. Has PAF made all 4 active??

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I thought only 3 SAAB AWACS were active with 1 destroyed in Kamra attack. Has PAF made all 4 active??

Yes sir.

I had been saying it since the attack::. Having met the major involved in the operation, who was sent to give lectures of perimeter security (coz he did a good job).

The so called destroyed AWAC was damaged by an RPG hit and Swedes rejected help to repair it. PAC made it operational.

ACM Aman also confirmed that the two heavily damaged Saab 2000-based Erieye airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft were domestically repaired. He stated that the price quoted by the original equipment manufacturer (OEM) was U.S. $287 million, but the work was domestically undertaken for a much lower cost – $25 million.

 

[Super Falcon]

We need to buy jet engine aircraft not propelar Aircraft

 

[Areesh]

Yes sir.

I had been saying it since the attack::. Having met the major involved in the operation, who was sent to give lectures of perimeter security (coz he did a good job).

The so called destroyed AWAC was damaged by an RPG hit and Swedes rejected help to repair it. PAC made it operational.

MashaAllah great news. 11 AWACS. Wow. Surely a great force projection.

 

[imadul]

Somewhere 1990-1992 my friend offered PAF to transform C130 to AEW&C Platform. It was time when Pak was denied COTS solution like sentry and others. He held back becauae some bigwigs wanted their cuts.
He eventually came to USA, completed his MS and PHD in EE in 3 yrs. Has patents in spatial signal modulation through fiber optic.
It is good there is a focus now on indigenization through thunder, alkhalid, and sea based platforms.

 

[war&peace]

Somewhere 1990-1992 my friend offered PAF to transform C130 to AEW&C Platform. It was time when Pak was denied COTS solution like sentry and others. He held back becauae some bigwigs wanted their cuts.
He eventually came to USA, completed his MS and PHD in EE in 3 yrs. Has patents in spatial signal modulation through fiber optic.
It is good there is a focus now on indigenization through thunder, alkhalid, and sea based platforms.

A lot of talent has been wasted by these corrupt bigwigs over the decades and then these trash cans claim that this nation lacks the talent while they themselves are the worst enemies of the talented people and the nation. These corrupted, uneducated or slightly educated ignorants are running the show. It is the scientists who have made countries defense much stronger than these baboons could have even imagined. The nukes and missiles are produced by a handful of the scientists. Just remove that dimension and Pakistan's enemies will eat it up like a trifle.

 

[war&peace]

Would be nice, but the Swedes seem to have different policies when it comes to selling offensive vs defensive weapons..

I raised this issue with some of the Swedish politicians (though they belong to a smaller political party: Green Party) here in an informal meeting and also conveyed them the friendly sentiments of Pakistani nation and our committment to the peace and stability in the region. I wish our diplomats play a more proactive role.

 

[Tank131]

Well the issue as with most things is $$. It extends past the ability to buy the system to the point of lobbying and donating to election funds. Indians (especially here in the US) donate huge sums to elect politicians friendly towards India. Indian government spends a lot on lobbying politicians too. Indians are always up front trying to promote their country in social and media events. Pakistanis do none of that, rather those in the west talk shit about theor own country. Hussein Haqqani for example. They always act subservient hoping for the master's favors. And God forbid you ask them to open their wallet. We had a pro-Muslim congresswoman in our district who asked for volunteers fpr a campaign. Rather than rushing to help, parents were asking how it would benefit their children to spend their time making phone calls and posters (the potential resume building not withstanding).

 

[war&peace]

Can PAF benefit from something like Raytheon Sentinel in the future? For deeper and better ESM/ELINT/ECCM?


Hazrat I thought this was being developed in Pakistan?

When I was a child (< 16 yrs) , I wanted everything fancy that I saw in any of the malls, but growing older and earning myself, I realised that everything is not for me and eating the meals out in the restaurant everyday is not the best way of living, I have to cook myself or get a chef. I hope you understand

It is best to develop as much military hardware indigenously as possible, it is not only good for self-reliance but also benefits the economy, industrial development and eliminates the threats of sanctions and embargoes.

The way forward for Pakistan is through (1) JVs (2) ToT, with off-the-shelf acquisition only as the stopgap solution and urgent requirement

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Can PAF benefit from something like Raytheon Sentinel in the future? For deeper and better ESM/ELINT/ECCM?

The PAF uses its Dassault Falcon DA20s in the EW role, but if it requires more - or newer - platforms, it can collaborate with Aselsan in Turkey. Aselsan has a complete platform on offer in the HAVASOJ (link). Approaching them from the standpoint of a joint-venture (to develop a custom solution) could be an option. There is also the Aselsan MULTI-INT ISR platform (link) which can do ESM, ELINT, ground-surveillance and COMINT.

 

[ziaulislam]

Why go for such expensive planes when chinese are offering their top of the line j10 and j20 at cheap rates ?

j 20 not sure whether offered yet or not
J10 puts 30-40% more range and may be slightly better radar ECM but overall thunders are considered as alternative for now. besides any/all Chinese weapons can be carried by thunders

PAF will only consider flankers, F-16s and J XX for now

Sweden sold RBS-15 AShM to Algeria (for its MEKO A-200AN), and Algeria is far from a fair and just democracy. As for India, what about the stuff happening in Kashmir?

who cares of UN resolutions or human rights
its all about money...and cultural influence may be...
than again our poor diplomacy doesn't help..

you wont see them hesitating offering any weapons to gulf countries

EriEye is not considered a weapon useful to quell internal unrest, so it has much less limitations.