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Pakistan to get 2 nuclear reactors from China

If capital costs are low and if everything is done right nuclear energy is not more expensive. The thing is, the "done right" bit is often very difficult, either for political or for moral reasons. Even with the safest reactor designs, nuclear energy requires careful management - you can't let crooks or careless people at the helm.

We're not going to take your nuclear waste away for you. Pakistan is going to have to bear the burden itself.

Solomon2 i meant that these counteries have developed R&D facillities. They can develop a righteous technology to dump the nuclear waste, Theres no such thing as impossible,Though i agree that theres not enough progress made in space tech to aplly the concept now, but why not kick start it with an initaitive of making this plannet a congenial place to live,from the environment prospective. maybe we'l find a way, not in next 5 years, maybe in next 10-15 years. By generating much energy from nuclear plants and then sending the waste out of this world into space. If sufficent energy is produced in such a way, then world might stop use of fossile fuel and can significatly reduce green house gass emisions by relying less on polluting Coal, Natural gas and Oil based powerplants and hence can reduce the process of Global warming thus contributing to greater life of Mother Earth.

Plus this way America would rely less on Midleeastren Israel hating counteries and, thus could easily bully them to its bidding...:P
 
Practically i think deal was struck recently but there is a clause in NSG that allows suppliers to fulfill previous contracts and i think that China used the same clause.

Correct me if i am wrong.

Yeah i think u got it wrongly...If China had struck the deal before coming into NSG it is within its rights to fulfill the contracts..But if after NSG membership..It needs clearance from NSG.
 
Nuclear energy is the need of over populated Pakistan and India. I think India should provide unconditional support to Pak-China agreement. Both are mature nuclear power anyway. Both country power sector need huge progress to bring peace in the region, because that would bring closer the economic interest of both countries.
But what's the solution of nuclear waste, isn't it going to contaminate the earth ?
 
Nuclear energy is the need of over populated Pakistan and India. I think India should provide unconditional support to Pak-China agreement. Both are mature nuclear power anyway. Both country power sector need huge progress to bring peace in the region, because that would bring closer the economic interest of both countries.
But what's the solution of nuclear waste, isn't it going to contaminate the earth ?

Dude we r in no position to support u..we r not a member of NSG...and even if we support u...any one country can veto the whole proceedings in NSG....So get hold of Unkil..he will take care of the rest..
 
Pakistan, China agree on N-assistance
Friday May 14, 2010 (1250 PST)

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and China were on the same wavelength on Thursday regarding Chinese assistance to Pakistan in the field of nuclear cooperation.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry reassured the international community that its nuclear cooperation with Pakistan is completely ‘peaceful’ in nature, and in accordance with the safeguards set up by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

China is a member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG). When approached, the spokesman at the Foreign Office said that the position taken by China is the same as that of Pakistan that the nuclear cooperation between the two sides is for ‘peaceful’ purposes under the safeguards of the IAEA

This reassurance came in response to the remarks of US Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg, who said that discussions were underway about the issue (Chinese nuclear cooperation to Pakistan) and the United States has not “reached a final conclusion.” “But it’s something we’re obviously looking at very carefully,” Steinberg said in response to a question at a forum at the Brookings Institution.

“I think it’s important to scrupulously honour these non-proliferation commitments,” he said. “We’ll want to continue to engage on the question, about whether this is permitted under the understandings of the IAEA.”

Steinberg made these remarks while the US itself has not ‘scrupulously ‘ honoured these commitments and broken rules while entering into an agreement with India for nuclear cooperation despite the fact the New Delhi has not signed the NPT.

“The cooperation is subject to safeguards and the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). It is in compliance with respective international obligations of the two countries,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu said while responding to a statement by US Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg. The China National Nuclear Corporation has agreed to finance two more civilian reactors at the Chashma site in Pakistan.

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Pakistan News Service - PakTribune
 
Questionable China-Pakistan deal draws little comment from U.S.

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 20, 2010; A11

Diplomacy sometimes consists of winks and nods, not outright trades. That might explain why the Obama administration has been quiet about a recent Chinese commercial transaction that nuclear specialists say marks a blatant disregard of international guidelines.

In the midst of intense negotiations on new sanctions for Iran, which China was reluctant to embrace, Beijing confirmed that one of its state companies had signed an agreement to supply Pakistan with two new nuclear reactors.

The lucrative deal, if consummated, appears to be a clear violation of international guidelines forbidding nuclear exports to countries that have not signed onto the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or do not have international safeguards on reactors. China agreed to the restrictions in 2004 when it joined the organization that monitors such transfers, the 46-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group.

President Obama has strongly advocated for restrictions on the spread of nuclear technology. But his administration has said little publicly about the China-Pakistan deal. Meanwhile, the administration announced Tuesday that China, despite its misgivings, had signed on to a draft U.N. Security Council resolution sanctioning Iran.

U.S. officials said there's no connection between the two developments, but some analysts see the potential for a quid pro quo.

Before the announcement, Mark Hibbs, a nuclear specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, wrote an analysis on the issue in which he said that members of the Nuclear Suppliers Group "expect that the Obama administration will accept a limited amount of additional Chinese nuclear commerce with Pakistan as a price for getting Chinese support on U.N. Security Council sanctions against Iran in weeks ahead."

China suggests the sale is grandfathered from before it joined the NSG, because it was completing work on two earlier reactors for Pakistan at the time. "China and Pakistan conduct civilian nuclear cooperation fully in compliance with the two countries' respective international obligations," said Chinese Embassy spokesman Wang Baodong. "The cooperation is transparent, only for peaceful purpose and subject to IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency] supervision."

Few outside experts agree. For its part, the administration says its position on the reactor sale is still under review.

"This is something that is still under discussion among all of us," Deputy Secretary of State James B. Steinberg said last week. "Obviously it's important from our perspective that all countries live up to their commitments." He said the question of whether the sale could be considered grandfathered is "something that we haven't, I think, reached a final conclusion on."

A senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to talk more freely, said the United States is waiting for China to detail how it plans to proceed with this transaction. "We don't have much clarity, and so the issue has not ripened in the government," he said. He said any claim that the reactors are grandfathered "would be a hard case to make," but China could seek a formal exemption from the guidelines -- which are voluntary in any case.

Indeed, complicating matters is that the United States, after hard lobbying, in 2008 won a specific exemption at the NSG for trade with India, Pakistan's nuclear-armed rival. Pakistan has long wanted its own exemption -- and the United States has refused -- but the administration may not want to roil relations with Islamabad at a time when their partnership on counterterrorism is seen as crucial.

Hibbs said in an interview Wednesday that the administration faces two unappealing options -- either move to make life difficult for China at the NSG for failing to abide by the guidelines, or bite the bullet and let the sale go forward. "My understanding is that it is more likely that option 2 is what they will choose," he said.

The NSG will soon hold a plenary meeting, chaired by New Zealand, a tough proponent of maintaining nuclear rules, and Hibbs said that other countries are waiting for the Obama administration "to show leadership on how to deal with this issue." He said that "if the United States chooses to say nothing, then the question arises whether anyone else would object."

Daryl G. Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association, said the China-Pakistan deal "is some of the fallout of the India-U.S. civil nuclear agreement" -- which included the special exemption for nuclear trade. The deal was a Bush administration initiative -- but was avidly supported by then-Sens. Barack Obama, Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

washingtonpost.com
 
Pakistan to receive grants for 25 projects in 2010-11

By Sajid Chaudhry

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan will receive project aid for 25 projects in the shape of loans and grants in the next fiscal year 2010-11 that also include Rs 17.476 billion Chinese loans on concessional as well preferential basis for the existing and new Chashma Nuclear Power Projects, official sources informed here on Thursday. The sources said that this is in line with the disbursement estimates of the project aid for the next fiscal year 2010-11, which would be approved in the Annual Plan Coordination Committee meeting today (Friday).

Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission: China to provide a loan amounting to Rs 17.476 billion for Pakistan Nuclear Energy Programme in the next fiscal year 2010-11. This includes Rs 1.190 billion for Chashma Nuclear Power Project II, Rs 1.496 billion for Chashma Nuclear CII Plant, Rs 3.533 billion for Chashma Nuclear Power Plant III (buyers credit), Rs 2.132 billion Chashma Nuclear Power Plant III, IV (concessional) and Rs 9.123 billion for Chashma Nuclear Power Plant III, IV (preferential).

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
Today News..........:china::china::pakistan:

China provides two nuclear reactors to Pakistan and she also refuses Americans Wows on this:china::china::smitten:
 
Yes this is confirmed news because all the Pakistan News channels Louded this ............China Foreign minister is in Pakistan Too and the signed 3 more defence deals also a very large scale full fledge Military Exercise .....:china::pakistan:
 
yea but i am in office right now, and can't find any thing over internet (only available resource)..

However curious to hear from you guyz with some source.
 

News Reader ...Read this

CHINA is providing two nuclear reactors to Pakistan and its foreign minister refuses American and Indian worries on this...these reactors are much more Power full then kushab facilities......

He also loud...

Foreign minister also signed three more defense deals and all type full f ledge military exercise.....

This is News lauded by news channels but I am unable to find on web
ASAP I find any link I posted it for all the..... R..e..s..p..e..c..t..e..ds

:cheers::china::cheers::pakistan:
 
well awesome to hear, hopefully it will be true. it will definitely help us solving out our electricity problems in country. :)
 
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