Pakistan to buy the Emirati Mirage 2000-9 fighter jets in favor of Pakistan Air Force (PAF)

[YeBeWarned]

Qatar has 12 or 18 of them. why would PAF buy such a small quantity ? It makes sense for India which has 50 or so Mirage-2000s

to replace the Aging Mirage III/V , buying them M2k's even in small numbers will be beneficial for PAF as they will bring a very good strike package , and the infrastructure is there to maintain and support them , rather than purchasing J-10'C Mirage will/can save a lot bucks for PAF which we are already short of .

 

[ARMalik]

Qatar has 12 or 18 of them. why would PAF buy such a small quantity ? It makes sense for India which has 50 or so Mirage-2000s

Dude, look at the thread title again. These are Emirati (UAE) mirages not 'Qatari'. UAE has more than 65 of these birds. Together with Qatar's 12 or 18 mirages, you have a a fleet of 80 or above Mirage-2000s.

Now I read some ill-informed comments above that we need more JF-17s, more F-16s, these are vintage aircraft, and other nonsense.

For God's sake fellows, the role of Mirage-2000s is very different to a multi-role JF-17 or F-16. Mirages are deep strike, high acceleration jets, and they serve a very different purpose and are a must.

 

[gangsta_rap]

For God's sake fellows, the role of Mirage-2000s is very different to a multi-role JF-17 or F-16. Mirages are deep strike, high acceleration jets, and they serve a very different purpose and are a must.

For strike and attack roles the ROSE platform has been geared up to do what is required. This makes M2ks redundant in this regard.

 

[Signalian]

And air as well because in A2A combat our mirages are sitting ducks

Excluding Mirage-III (ROSE Upgraded)

Delta , we need deltas at low cost
Although my preference is
1)EFT
2)J 10C
3) M2K

Ra'ad ALCM carrier.

 

[Tps43]

Excluding Mirage-III (ROSE Upgraded)


Ra'ad ALCM carrier.

But those are in very limited number I guess they are Rose 1

Yes we need deltas for Ra’ad ALCM carroer and low level fast pace strike missions

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Dude, look at the thread title again. These are Emirati (UAE) mirages not 'Qatari'. UAE has more than 65 of these birds. Together with Qatar's 12 or 18 mirages, you have a a fleet of 80 or above Mirage-2000s.

Now I read some ill-informed comments above that we need more JF-17s, more F-16s, these are vintage aircraft, and other nonsense.

For God's sake fellows, the role of Mirage-2000s is very different to a multi-role JF-17 or F-16. Mirages are deep strike, high acceleration jets, and they serve a very different purpose and are a must.

Can it be a fall-out from the recent Indo-Israeli JV??? Looks like some other third-party folks might have got quite rattled due to that misadventure....

 

[Signalian]

But those are in very limited number I guess they are Rose 1

Yes we need deltas for Ra’ad ALCM carroer and low level fast pace strike missions

Yes 32 x Mirage-III ROSE I upgraded for air to air combat.

UAE-AF has around 32 Mirage 2000-9 (single and twin seats), but they would be used for strike role like Mirage-V of PAF.

 

[jupiter2007]

We should take them if they are cheap since we have the infrastructure to support them. Also, France is going to decom older mirage 2000 in few years, we can buy them cheap for spars.

 

[Signalian]

Qatar has 12 or 18 of them. why would PAF buy such a small quantity ? It makes sense for India which has 50 or so Mirage-2000s

Qatar and UAE both bought Mirage-2000's in 1990's, UAE specifically buying Mirage 2000-9 in 1998 and upgrading had to start in 2017/2018, along with few older Mirage-2000 which were acquired in 1986. UAE could have tried to sell to Iraq in 2011 and later to Egypt perhaps.

We should take them if they are cheap since we have the infrastructure to support them. Also, France is going to decom older mirage 2000 in few years, we can buy them cheap for spars.

Infrastructure will be different for Mirage-III/V and Mirage-2000. New set up might need to be raised. IAF could also be eyeing Qatari AF or UAE AF Mirage-2000's.

 

[jupiter2007]

Qatar and UAE both bought Mirage-2000's in 1990's, UAE specifically buying Mirage 2000-9 in 1998 and upgrading had to start in 2017/2018, along with few older Mirage-2000 which were acquired in 1986. UAE could have tried to sell to Iraq in 2011 and later to Egypt perhaps.


Infrastructure will be different for Mirage-III/V and Mirage-2000. New set up might need to be raised. IAF could also be eyeing Qatari AF or UAE AF Mirage-2000's.

It won’t be much different. If we are really looking to add Mirage 2000 then we have some options.

UAE has 67 mirage-2000 (including 32 Mirage 2000-9)
Qatar 12 Mirage 2000
brazil has 12 Mirage 2000c/b
France 18 Mirage 2000-5 (for sale)

Without a doubt J-10C is very capable platform but it will be costly and it will required more investment to setup, support and training compare to mirage 2000-9.

We need to replace F-7 (139 in inventory) and 160 Mirage iii/v before 2025. I hope another Squadron of JF-17 Block 2 will be ready by the end of this year which can replace one F-7 Squadron.

 

[mingle]

French airforce also have mirage 2000 they replacing them with Rafale PAF can have them as well.

 

[MastanKhan]

not going to happen
1. we will need full setup for them from scratch which means we will need atleast 36-48 old jets which will have to come from multiple sources
2. will need french blessing and upgrades which will not happen as india will press hard the french and there are billion of $$ of procurement coming in which india might punish the french
3. the cost is too much

if qatar-uae gives them for scratch prices and france asks for reasonable price and maintenance is setup at cheaper price even than question will be..why not block3!

Hi,

Blk 3 when it comes out would take a few years to mature and get integrated---.

The M2K9 is a fully authenticated & operational aircraft---but at this moment when the French are desperate for a larger Rafale contract---they might not be willing to allow the sale---.

 

[Avicenna]

Just imagine.

If PAF can do what it can do with vintage Mirage 3 and 5, imagine what it can do with Mirage 2000-9.

If its in any way feasable, get them!

Potentially 80 or so between UAE and Qatar as @ARMalik has pointed out.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Don't forget we have a large number of planes to retire. Even we are concentrating JF17 Block3 but it will take time to produce in healthy quantity. We might also be considering High Tech Plane from but they would be again not more than 20-30.
It make sense if these MK2 are bought at reasonable price and number. We have experience of Mirages for long period. I don't think that it would be a quite new platform for PAF.
In current scenario, PAF needs quality and Quantity too.

 

[Signalian]

It won’t be much different.

J-10C is very capable platform but it will be costly and it will required more investment to setup, support and training compare to mirage 2000-9.

We need to replace 180 F-7 and 160 Mirage iii/v before 2025. I am hope another Squadron of JF-17 Block 2 will be ready by the end of this year which can replace one F-7 Squadron.

There are 4 x F-7 P/PG squadrons , that would project 100 F-7's tops, not 180 really. As for Mirages, there are 2 x Mirage Squadrons which are non-ROSE, apart from 3 x Mirage ROSE squadrons, which would require replacement.
That shows 2 x F-7 P squadrons need to go first, then 2 x F-7 PG squadrons, followed by 2 x Mirage non-ROSE squadrons.
Its the integration of Ra'ad ALCM which could interest PAF since UAE AF Mirage-2000 are capable of carrying cruise missile. If J-10C is capable of carying ALCM, then PAF will need to choose between both.