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Pakistan threatens to withdraw troops from Pak-Afghan border

Aren't you the same Pakistanis who were so adamant to prove that he is a Muslim? loool :/

i was saying since that time he is not a muslim not a hindu but only US presedent .no one care now he bang daily as willion of film heheheheheh

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ROFL...

This is somthing like saying ‘We are not going to defend ourselves if you are not giving us money!’ In other words holding a gun to one’s own head to frighten others.

you are amture ? we will allow to go afganistan not to come back .lolz
 
800 million dollars is really not that much of money that you have to think twice about loosing it when your national integrity and sovereignity is involved. You can raise 100 times more domestically if you can reform you tax system effectively. Loose this aid and what you gain by loosing it is an independent foreign and wot policy. Move you troops, withdraw your troops, deploy your troops to whatever side of the country you please without any other country's involvement and fight militants at your own accord. Glad that Gen. Kiyani and the corp. commanders made that point public in the recent meeting.
 
BTW, has any body noticed the feeling of pride and bossiness in America's tone? I mean only 800 million dollars reimbursement? And crying as if this small proportion of reimbursement of expenses on America''s war was 800 Billions Dollars! Go to Hell America and keep your 800 million dollars with you in your never ending trip to Hell. :drag:
 
^^ I don't know mate, even 800 million dollars is a decent amount and it is a part of the entire amount of $ 2 billion that it has been annually paying you. Paid in installments this is the last bit of 800 million that it has not given. It is still to early to reveal your China card. As much as your troubles with US, I don't think you should let go of a relationship you maintained for the last 50+ years in a go for a friend that is barely a couple of decades.

A balancing act between the two would be better.
 
well said and it is logical and natural that why a country go too low to help terrorists that it once created. :undecided:

infact Pakistan has only few options:

1. puppet of usa
2. puppet of saudi
3. beaten back by india

it seems the 2nd one is somehow more better than 1 and 3. while iran is a total failure in pakistan.

Didn't get your logic. Care to elaborate?

Yes i certainly think that we should eradicate these terrorists that we once created as they are existential threat to us and it is our moral duty now as well. No ifs and buts in this case.
 
Raptor ji indians have brought back fire in your thread.
I believe withdrawing from AF PAK border would mean that Taliban would come freely to Pak and influence the locals to join in their insurgency against the nation itself. It will be detrimental to Pak. Also the taliban would not let locals live with freedom. The locals can't watch baywatch, listen to Akon or Shakira songs or send their girls for salsa classes, the barber shop would be banned & they have to watch the local Pak punjabi films which are unbearable torture.
The decision would be like hitting your own head with axe.
 
why not arm the haqani group with anti tanks and AA Missiles,
 
If Americans stay, Taliban will concentrate on attacking them, if Americans leave, then the situation will revert back to the old days, where Taliban would be engaged in controlling the Afghanistan they capture and also engaged with the opposition, the Northern Alliance, thus in both cases they won't have sufficient manpower nor the resources to fight two sided war.

PA would be strong enough to take them on then.

Taimi! I will give value to your opinion over mine any day but i think you are assuming here too much. US will never leave Afghanistan. They may reduce their presence but they will never leave. They haven't invested so much to leave.

You say that Afghan Taliban will not take revenge from us for abandoning them because they will be too busy then in Afghanistan. Well they don't need to directly involve in Pakistan to harm us. They will take this work form TTP, their Pakistani counterpart and who knows perhaps they are already indirectly helping TTP.
 
Is fighting the War on Terror in alliance with the US in Pakistan's interest?

No (75%, 289 Votes)

Yes (25%, 94 Votes)

Rightly, it is not sake for Pakistan's interests but America itself create thousand enemies.
 
US military aid suspension a blunder: PEW

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Economy Watch (PEW) on Tuesday lauded the decision of the military leadership to refuse to bow to American pressure and reject conditional US aid terming it a move in the supreme national interest. Our armed forces are not dependent on American aid to combat terror; the refusal to toe American lines blindly has contributed to its popularity and made whole nation proud, it said.

Americans cannot be allowed make Pakistan a heaven for its CIA and Black water spies to jeopardise national security, said Dr. Murtaza Mughal, President PEW. He said that US has tried tactic of suspending aid seven times since 1965 while latest attempt to block 800 million-dollar military aid will help her achieve nothing. American latest assault on our security apparatus will prove counterproductive as we have kept other options open, he said.

Dr. Murtaza Mughal said that America has again proved that it is an untrustworthy ally that is in habit of parting ways when needed. Suspension of aid proves that White House is more interested in destabilising Pakistan than winning it war on terror aka wars for profit. The decision of military leadership proves that it is not ready to compromise on interests of Pakistan and it is reversing Musharraf’s era faulty policies, he said. He demanded to oust all of the American intelligence operatives -- likes of Raymond Davis -- from country that are working under the grab of diplomats, experts, trainers, technicians, social workers etc.

US policymakers should realise that Pakistan is not a satellite state and that our interests are different than that of Americans.

Pakistan’s interests are not and should not be influenced by wishes of Americans, Dr. Murtaza Mughal said.

India has once again unveiled its unholy designs against Pakistan by welcoming the move, adding that New Delhi will never attain dream of regional supremacy with the help of US masters, he said.

Dr. Mughal said that US should accept its defeat in Afghanistan, abstain from blaming others for her political and military failures, shelve revenge plans and efforts to find escape goats, learn lesson from history and leave this quagmire.

ONLINE - International News Network
 
Interpreting the fallout: ‘US wanted permanent presence on Pakistan airbases

ISLAMABAD: The US decision to suspend approximately $800 million in aid to Pakistan is ‘punishment’ for Islamabad’s refusal to accept Washington’s demands seeking a permanent presence of American military personnel in all airbases of the country, according to military and intelligence officials.

The Pakistani military not only rejected the idea but also decided to expel all US military trainers in the country in retaliation for the May 2 raid on Abbottabad that killed al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden.


The move, officials said, annoyed the Obama administration so much that it threatened to take a series of ‘punitive’ measures, including the suspension of aid in an effort to pursue Pakistan to reverse the decision.

Washington had asked Islamabad to agree to certain conditions following the Bin Laden debacle. Among other requests, the US administration was pushing for the right to maintain a permanent presence of its military officials on all airbases in Pakistan, even after the complete withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan in 2014.

“They (Americans) want us to allow a certain number of uniformed officials on all airbases of the country,” said one security official, who requested not to be named since he was not authorised to speak on the subject.

However, the official would not give the exact number of military personnel the US was seeking to maintain permanently in Pakistan.

“The demand was resisted and rejected as it was too intrusive,” said another official. “The Bin Laden episode has provided us the opportunity to overcome our shortcomings.”


The US government, for its part, confirmed that demands were made, though it did not specify what those demands were.

“When it comes to our military assistance, we’re not prepared to continue providing that at the pace that we were providing it unless and until we see certain steps taken,” said US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland, defending the US decision to suspend military aid to Pakistan.

Sources said the security establishment had now realised just how freely the United States had been able to operate inside Pakistan before the May 2 incident and was keen on reducing it.

“The CIA has been able to penetrate too deep and there are even fears that it could make inroads into the country’s security establishment if steps are not taken to scale back their activities,” commented a military official.

He confirmed that, in the wake of Abbottabad raid, the security establishment had not only expelled US military trainers but also made efforts to ‘plug loopholes in our visa policy for American visitors.’

“We will not allow the kind of freedom under which the American officials and operatives were operating in the country,” the official said.

The US State Department spokesperson confirmed the new restrictions. She recalled that on May 25, Islamabad demanded that about 100 US advisers leave Pakistani soil, effectively halting military training, adding “we obviously can’t do that in an environment where Pakistan has asked our trainers to go.”

However, Pakistani military officials insisted that the US decision to withhold military aid would not affect the ongoing campaign against militants in what appears to be deliberate attempt to play down the development.

“The army in the past as well as the present has conducted successful military operations using its own resources without any external support whatsoever,” military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas told AFP.

“It is unfair that the US is even holding back our reimbursements,” said a senior military official, referring to the fact that the United States government has not disbursed money from the Coalition Support Fund. He claimed the US owed Pakistan about $1 billion for services rendered during the previous fiscal year.

Yet despite the tensions, military sources say the two sides are making efforts to over their differences. US officials seem to concur with that view.

Nuland stressed Monday that “the United States continues to seek a constructive, collaborative, mutually beneficial relationship with Pakistan.”

India welcomes US aid freeze

India on Monday welcomed the United States’ decision to suspend $800 million worth of military aid to Pakistan.

“It is not desirable that this region had to be heavily armed by the US, which will upset the equilibrium in the region itself,” External Affairs Minister SM Krishna said, according to the Press Trust of India. “To that extent, India welcomes this step,” he said. India has generally accepted US aid for funding anti-terrorism operations in Pakistan, but has expressed concern in the past that the weapons could be turned against it.

“The US must take note of the fact that we are working in a very committed manner to normalise our relations with Pakistan,” Krishna told reporters in New Delhi. (With additional reporting by AFP)

Published in The Express Tribune, July 12th, 2011.



permanent on Pakistan airbases, really??
 
Again, the military has stated quite clearly that it will continue fighting the war against terrorists from its own resources.

Given the frequency of attacks by terrorists operating from sanctuaries in Eastern Afghanistan, occasional ANA shelling across the border, and the potential of US/ISAF/ANA cross-border incursions, vacating the checkpoints along the Pak-Afghan border is unlikely to occur.

Mukhtar is a prime example of an incompetent buffoon who continues to retain the ministry of Defence portfolio because of his connections to Zardari.
 
"Peace time" settings? Let me guess, when enemy aircraft pass through the settings are "afternoon tea" :rolleyes: Bottom line is that there was a serious security fail. You can say whatever you want to, the bottom line is the bottom line. 4 helicopters went all the way into Pakistan and none of them were intercepted. Hell, one of the helicopters crashed into the compound Osama was hiding in, and still no one noticed. A helicopter crashed next to a military base and the military didn't even see it. That is what most people would call an epic national security

thanks for confirming me "sunny boy"
normally known as a troll
now go back to your box ok?
 

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