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Pakistan Tests Upgraded Shaheen-1A Missile

So it carries a 300kg nuclear warhead...and a 600kg conventional one... now what difference does it make here the original shaheen might be carrying a 1000kg warhead.. so its basically the same missile with warhead being made smaller in mass so that it can fly longer... hence its clear that the test is more of a propaganda to fool public and statements like it flew 4000km and was not detected by Radar proves the fact... and it seems that they have been quiet successful in this case...:lol:

Have you gone made? XYZ said Blah Blah and you instantly believed because it suited your propaganda? What part of Intermediate Missile does not get into your brain? 1200-1500 Km is the latest version. Upgraded it's accuracy which mean Less CEP and for the sake of your LORD KRISHNA. Read previous pages, Some Ex General quoted 4000 Range which is entirely wrong and we have refuted this range in previous pages. SO stop BS'ing yourself and making others annoying.

And also put some sense in your brain when next you claim that Generals are making baseless claims while None of the Generals who are involved with missile program said anything or any other general. One Ex-GENERAL who made this claim was retired 18 years ago.
 
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Observed.


Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI





Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV





Shaheen II (Length) 17.5 m - Shaheen IA (Length) 12 m = 5,5 m difference
Shaheen II (Diameter) 1.4 m - Shaheen IA (Diameter) 1 m = 0,5 m difference
Shaheen II (Weight ) 25,000 kg - Shaheen IA (Weight ) 9,500 kg = 15,500 kg difference


Pakistan test-fires Hatf 4 IRBM


Farhan Bokhari - Correspondent - Islamabad

Ben Goodlad Land Systems Analyst - London

ASIA PACIFIC Date Posted: 25-Apr-2012



Pakistan test-fired a Hatf 4 (Shaheen 1A) intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) on 25 April: the first test of its kind since India tested its Agni 5 IRBM on 19 April.

Pakistan's strategic missiles do not match the Agni 5's range of 5,000 km, but as a senior Pakistani official stated after India's missile test: "Pakistan's current missiles all have the ability to strike targets deep inside India. We do not need to match the Agni 5."

The Pakistan Army said on 25 April that the Shaheen-1A missile that was test-fired was an "improvement in range and technical parameters over the Shaheen-1", although it did not give further details. A Western defence official based in Islamabad said the Shaheen-1A probably had improvements to its guidance system and was able to carry a heavier payload. "This is a more sophisticated version of the Shaheen-1," he added.


COMMENT

The testing of the Hatf 4 (Shaheen 1A) serves as a reminder of Pakistan's own ballistic missile capabilities and it is likely that the test was brought forward to serve as a response to India's Agni 5 test.

However, while the Shaheen 1A is reported to have an increased range of 2,500 km to 3,000 km, it does not provide a significant increase in capability over the Hatf 6 (Shaheen 2), which is also believed to have a range of 2,500 km. Both missiles have similar assemblies, so it is possible that this is part of an upgrade programme to bring the Shaheen 1 closer to the Shaheen 2 in terms of capability.

Ben Goodlad

Researcher, Jane’s Defence Forecasts

Ben Goodlad is an analyst with Jane’s Defence Forecasts – Combat Vehicle Programmes which provides up-to-date global insight on current and future vehicle procurement and upgrades. He also writes for Jane's Defence Weekly, Jane's International Defence Review and Jane's Defence Industry on vehicle procurement issues, particularly the US MRAP programme.

Previously Ben has worked with several Jane’s land systems editors, helping to produce Jane’s Explosive Ordnance Disposal, Jane’s Mine and Mine Clearance, Jane’s Ammunition Handbook and Jane’s Infantry Weapons. He has also provided analysis to the Jane’s Cluster Munitions study. Ben has an undergraduate degree in War Studies from Kings College, London, and has previously served with the UK Territorial Army, deployed on operations as part of an armoured infantry battlegroup to Iraq in 2003.

Link official "IHS Jane's Defense & Security Intelligence & Analysis":

http://www.janes.com/products/janes/index.aspx



For the same “Operational range” of 2,500 km to 3,000 km for “Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI” and “Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV”.


A passage of 700 km to 2,500 km - 3,000 km of Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV for a length, a diameter and a weight lower to “Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI”. A gain of 1,800 km - 2,300 km for Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV.

This is really a major advanced.

“If the information is true concerning the new operational range of Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV ” to 2,500 km - 3,000 km. Shaheen-III can achieve now very easily the “Operational range” ICBM of 5,000 km.



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Someone said that the missile was launched from the Sonmiani test range in coastal Baluchistan. This news says it was from Islamabad. Can somebody clarify this will official news release.
If the missile is launched near Islamabad and flew south, it would have to pass over 80% of the Pakistani population centres. Isn't it too risky to do it. No country tests its missiles over population centres, even if the missile is tried and tested many times before.



RADAR detects at speed of light..

To be honest..this has happened most of the times when Pakistan tests missiles,and never anything went wrong....
When Doctor AQ khan was still involved in the Missile development....i remember him saying that this shows our confidence in the missiles,they don't fail and the wont.
 
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Bolton: Pakistani Nuclear Capability Is a 'Global Problem

Former United Nations Ambassador John Bolton says he’s concerned about Pakistan’s improving capabilities to deliver nuclear weapons in the wake of a major missile test by that country on Wednesday.

“This gives them a capability across India,” he said Wednesday night on Fox News’ “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.”

“Their missile is not as powerful as the one that India launched [a few days ago]. But . . . this is a demonstration to India from the Pakistani military that they are prepared, ” Bolton said.

Tensions between the two countries continue to grow, and Bolton said the situation is made worse by the instability of the government in Pakistan. Bolton said he worries it could become a “grave” issue if the country’s nuclear weapons fall into the wrong hands.

“Its ability to hold together in the face of Islamic radical infiltration is very much in question these days,” Bolton said. “The security of its nuclear weapons and the capability on the ballistic missile front are not just abstract issues and confined to India. This is a global problem.”

“That’s why,” he added, “the U.S. presence in Afghanistan, and how we deal with the al-Qaida and [the] Taliban, both in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, remains extremely important for the United States directly.”
Bolton: Pakistani Nuclear Capability Is a 'Global Problem'

Shaheen-1A: Pakistan tested Intercontinental Ballistic Missile?
Karachi: Pakistan: Commenting on Pakistan’s Wednesday test of ballistic missile an international institution the Global Security has said that the range of the missile might be around 3000 to 5000 kilometers if it was a medium range missile.
According to experts an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) is a ballistic missile with a long range (greater than 5,500 km or 3,500 miles).

Strategic Plan Division (SDP) issued a press release on Wednesday stating that a medium range missile Shaheen-1A fourth of Hataf series. However it didn’t disclosed range of the missile that is capable of carrying both nuclear and traditional war-heads.
Pakistan’s latest missile test was apparently in response to New Delhi’s Agni-V InterContinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) test. According to reports Agni-V could hit Beijing and all the cities of Pakistan.
Earlier Pakistan had tested Shaheen and Shaheen-II missiles of the Hataf series.
Pakistan has been building its missile as part of nations efforts to improve deterrence against India.
Shaheen-1A: Pakistan tested Intercontinental Ballistic Missile? | The News Tribe

Observed.


Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI





Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV





Shaheen II (Length) 17.5 m - Shaheen IA (Length) 12 m = 5,5 m difference
Shaheen II (Diameter) 1.4 m - Shaheen IA (Diameter) 1 m = 0,5 m difference
Shaheen II (Weight ) 25,000 kg - Shaheen IA (Weight ) 9,500 kg = 15,500 kg difference





For the same “Operational range” of 2,500 km to 3,000 km for “Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI” and “Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV”.


A passage of 700 km to 2,500 km - 3,000 km of Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV for a length, a diameter and a weight lower to “Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI”. A gain of 1,800 km - 2,300 km for Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV.

This is a major advanced.

“If the information is true concerning the new operational range of Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV ” to 2,500 km - 3,000 km. Shaheen-III can achieve now very easily the “Operational range” ICBM of 5,000 km.



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Idiotic and stupid assumptions made in both articles. Creating fantasies at it's best. Morons don't know their own Military declared missile and INTERMEDIATE RANGE Baliistic missile and Intermediate means having range of 1200-1500 KM.
 
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Man this is the 36th page and ppl are still not sure of the actual range of the missile.

Multiple articles have proved it, its 1000 KM.
 
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Some delusional characters need to be reminded of the fact that Pakistan has mastered the art of miniaturising it's nuclear weapons, check the war head on it's shoot and scoot NASR missile and then compare it with the head on the Shaheen-1A. Now for arguments say wouldn't three of those fit into one of S-1A's.

“Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius.”
~ Fulton


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Some delusional characters need to be reminded of the fact that Pakistan has mastered the art of miniaturising it's nuclear weapons, check the war head on it's shoot and scoot NASR missile and then compare it with the head on the Shaheen-1A. Now for arguments say wouldn't three of those fit into one of S-1A's.

“Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius.”
~ Fulton

Nasr has a tactical warhead while Shaheen will have a heavy duty warhead.

Nasr is to take out multiple Indian Battalians, Shaheen will be to take out Indian cities.
 
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Creating fantasies at it's best. Morons don't know their own Military declared missile and INTERMEDIATE RANGE Baliistic missile and Intermediate means having range of 1200-1500 KM.


Observed.


Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI





Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV





Shaheen II (Length) 17.5 m - Shaheen IA (Length) 12 m = 5,5 m difference
Shaheen II (Diameter) 1.4 m - Shaheen IA (Diameter) 1 m = 0,5 m difference
Shaheen II (Weight ) 25,000 kg - Shaheen IA (Weight ) 9,500 kg = 15,500 kg difference



For the same “Operational range” of 2,500 km to 3,000 km for “Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI” and “Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV”.


A passage of 700 km to 2,500 km - 3,000 km of Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV for a length, a diameter and a weight lower to “Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI”. A gain of 1,800 km - 2,300 km for Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV.

This is really a major advanced.

“If the information is true concerning the new operational range of Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV ” to 2,500 km - 3,000 km. Shaheen-III can achieve now very easily the “Operational range” ICBM of 5,000 km.


This information about the new operational range of “Shaheen-IA / Hatf-IV”. Of 700 km to 2,500 km - 3,000 km. By approximation with a volume of fuel available now of 15,500 kg for “Shaheen-II / Hatf-VI” or future “Shaheen-III”. A was connected by many big expert military analysts around the world. Until evidence to the contrary and you do not have. I tend to have more confidence in them rather than you.
 
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Now that is some serious capability.....

Nasr has a tactical warhead while Shaheen will have a heavy duty warhead.

Nasr is to take out multiple Indian Battalians, Shaheen will be to take out Indian cities.

I never knew you were involved in the strategic planning of Pakistani nuclear attack on its enemy :p BUT keeping the pun aside, what makes you think that a "heavy duty nuclear weapon" has to be thick in terms of diameter and heavy duties were not possible in length? Nasr will be definitely a carrier of strategic nuke as Nasr is specifically designed to be that kind but for Shaheen, Ghouri and Abadali (and other variations of Hatf series) we have all options open.

Also with Nuclear Weapons, you don't need to have heavy-weight nuclear warheads to have greater damage radius, nuclear weapons on their own are destructive and radiation, biological, environmental and psychological damage is itself huge. With that in view, I wouldn't mind keeping strategic MIRVs and dropping several of those upon an area instead of one big heavy duty one. All this discussion is so inhuman and disgusting but we are discussing wars here. I just hope such time wouldn't come ever.
 
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Nasr has a tactical warhead while Shaheen will have a heavy duty warhead.

Nasr is to take out multiple Indian Battalians, Shaheen will be to take out Indian cities.

Shaheen-1 and Shaheen-1 Alpha.....Two different missiles designed for different scenarios and missions.
 
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To be honest..this has happened most of the times when Pakistan tests missiles,and never anything went wrong....
When Doctor AQ khan was still involved in the Missile development....i remember him saying that this shows our confidence in the missiles,they don't fail and the wont.

You know there is a simple approach to success... test every stage before moving to the next. When Pakistan tests its missile, if they have spent good time in all the pre-tests which lead to physical test, they are not likely to end at failures. Also Pakistan is facing a lot bigger security challenge than India has been facing in terms of Pakistan and contrary to India, we have developed a habit of taking defense matters very very seriously which I think is another reason of not finding blunders in tests.
 
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PA is secretive and for very good reason. But let me assure you boy, there is no reason for you to doubt our military establishment. The best of the best are involved. :pakistan:
I cant understand this anomaly ..they do show its launch but not it hitting the target.. whats secretive in this ?

showing just few seconds of launch and not showing it hitting its target surely leaves more to speculate..
 
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I cant understand this anomaly ..they do show its launch but not it hitting the target.. whats secretive in this ?

Bhai jan, humaray launch itnay transparent ney hain, kyun ki saray mulak Pakistan ke peche par jai gayne.


It's better for Pakistan not to show it's capabilities.
 
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I think by the time radar will detect it will be landing on it's targets
Your thinking doesn't make it true:lol:
The waves move at the speed of light.....
as i have said before either the radars are crap, or the NDC guys have recreated Mr. India's watch.....
 
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