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PRC has seldom given cash to Pakistan. Their method of helping is investing inside bussinessess and projects.

Tribes across your western frontier? No argument there. You have ignored them since your inception. Some now return the favor and ignore you. Others in their tribes go one step further and attack you-every damned day. Still others in these tribes thank the heavens for your ignorance such that they can attack afghani civilians every damned day.

If you mean educationally and technologically, its true. I am not surprised that you think they are getting back at the government for their backwardness. US public is always misled.

#3 is a fascinating collection of "patriots". Well, they're certainly not being ignored any longer, are they?

Fascinating and true. And GoP's current regard of them is definitly not in Pakistan's interest.

I symphathise with people who fight to defend their homes. I do not symphathise with TTP they are US/Hindu backed. Afghans do not need me to wage their war but certainly need to help your brethren. Poor souls, can't get a foothold anywhere in Afghanistan except Kabul or Bagram I think. :) I'm waiting for you in Pakistan.

There you'll meet young men in U.S. Army uniforms and carrying weapons which they use very well eager to help you find true enlightenment at the right hand of Allah.

:usflag: Toooooo eager.

The number of Afghan civilians killed by international forces and insurgent attacks has risen by 40 per cent in the past year, according to a recent United Nations report.

NATO troops kill 4 civilians on bus in Afghanistan

P.S: Please do not remark on my religion which you surely do not and can not understand.
 
Putting a ban on Jamaat Al Daawa is a sad chapter in the continuous story of our national decline.

Narendra Modi is the twice elected chief minister of Gujarat, his claim to fame … presiding over the killing of an estimated 4000-6000 Muslims in a 72 hours period.

Bajrang Dal is probably much more atrocious and rabid than 10 Lashkar e Tiyaebah put together.

India will never ban bajrang Dal or RSS in a century. India will never convict a world class murderer like Narendra Modi. UN will not talk about it, US will never talk about it.

Ch. Ahmed Mukhtar justifies the ban as in compliance with UN ban!!! How about the UN Resolutions passed on Kashmir plabescite in 1949!

THANK YOU GEN MUSHARRAF SAHIB:

YOU ELEVATED INDIA TO THE POWER STATUS OF USA; AND ELEVATED USA TO THE STATUS OF GOD ALMIGHTY.
 
Despite arrests, doubts persist on Pakistan's resolve

By Jane Perlez

December 10, 2008

ISLAMABAD: In the wake of efforts to curb militants like Lashkar-e-Taiba, the group suspected of conducting the Mumbai attacks, questions remained about how far the Pakistani government would go to rein in these groups.

Details of exactly what the government has actually done are unclear. Some of the groups have functioned as an arm of Pakistan's military and intelligence services for two decades.

This week, the authorities raided some of the militants' properties and arrested about 20 members, security officials said.

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said Wednesday that Maulana Masood Azhar, the leader of another militant group, Jaish-e-Muhammad, had been arrested.

Bush administration officials publicly praised the steps, which Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, demanded during their visits to the region last week.

The Indian police on Wednesday identified the key trainers of the 10 gunmen in the Mumbai attacks as Zaki ur-Rahman Lakhvi, Abu Hamza and a man known only as Khafa. All three are leading members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, said Rakesh Maria, the Mumbai joint police commissioner.

Lakhvi, who has been mentioned as a key figure in the plot, "planned out this whole thing," and was present throughout the men's training, Maria said.

Abu Hamza provided maritime training, along with lessons in explosives and weapons, and Khafa was a mentor, who worked closely with the gunmen and helped familiarize them with their targets, Maria said.

During their training, the 10 men also got a motivational talk from Hafiz Muhammed Saeed, the Lashkar founder, Maria said, and there were more than three people involved in training them. But Lakhvi appears to have been the key figure throughout the preparations for the assault.

He traveled with the gunmen to the Pakistani coast before they left for Mumbai and "bid farewell to them as they left Karachi," Maria said.

The Pakistani prime minister said Lakhvi and another militant, Zarrar Shah, had been arrested, Reuters reported. "They have been detained for investigation," Gilani said at a news conference in Punjab Province.

American counterterrorism officials in Washington have struck a skeptical tone, saying that they wanted to see proof that Lakhvi was actually in custody and that the arrests and raids actually represented a firm commitment by the government to crack down on the groups. The officials spoke before the prime minister's comments on Wednesday.

"In the past when they've promised to move against these guys, they'd pick up one or two of them and then several months later, they'd release them," said a senior U.S. official who has dealt with the Pakistani authorities for several years.

"Based on past patterns, we shouldn't expect much of this," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment publicly on the case.

Administration officials said they were watching India's reaction to Pakistan's words and deeds to gauge whether the raids and arrests would ease tensions between the countries.

"There's a practical part of this - will these arrests lead to preventing further attacks and bringing people to justice," one senior administration official said, "and there's a political dimension - to what extent does this lower tensions between the two countries."

Pakistani officials have indicated in the past few days that there were no plans for a large-scale crackdown on Lashkar-e-Taiba, a group founded in the 1980s by the Pakistani Army to fight a proxy war against India in Kashmir.

The group's name means army of the pure.

Such a crackdown would run counter to popular sentiment and would appear to be at the behest of India and the United States, a politically unpalatable perception for Pakistan's government.

The Pakistani foreign minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, said Tuesday that those detained so far would not be extradited to India. "They are Pakistani citizens and will be dealt with according to the law of the land," he said.

Qureshi said Pakistan had offered India the chance to carry out a joint investigation of the terrorist attacks but had not yet received a reply.

Under pressure from the United States, Pakistan banned Lashkar in 2002 after it was accused of orchestrating an attack against the Indian Parliament.

But the Pakistani Army and its premier spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, has kept the group alive, regarding Lashkar fighters as reservists who could be called on according to need, the diplomats said.

It would be difficult, they said, for the army, the most powerful institution in Pakistan, to quickly abandon its policy of nurturing militants, even after the embarrassment of the Mumbai siege.

"The agenda of the establishment is to find a way out of this morass with the least damage to the institutions of the army and the ISI," a Pakistani politician said on the condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the matter. Zardari, the politician said, had a different agenda of "pleasing the Americans."

The United States has said that it cannot discern the involvement of the Pakistani military in the planning and operation of the Mumbai attacks.

Rather, it appeared that the assaults presented a predicament for Pakistan's military because they showed that a group that had been protected had gotten out of control, said a Western diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity according to diplomatic custom.

"Pakistan needs to make a profound change in its attitude to Lashkar-e-Taiba, and that doesn't seem to have happened yet," the Western diplomat said.

An important sign of whether Pakistan was serious in shutting down Lashkar would be if the group were demobilized by the government, and its fighters given alternative employment, experts on jihadist groups said.

After the ban in 2002, the United States and Britain tried to persuade Pakistan to demobilize the fighters but failed to do so, the experts said. Instead thousands of members were rounded up and then quietly released.

The groups were then offered a trade-off, the diplomats said. They were directed to slow down their militant activities against the Indian-controlled portion of Kashmir but were allowed to transfer their assets to Pakistan's tribal areas. There, some Lashkar members have worked alongside the Pakistani Taliban, the diplomats said.

Since the start of the current roundup of Lashkar members, the group's founder, Saeed, has not been arrested. He remains at his headquarters in Lahore, where he gave the sermon at Friday prayers last week.

Saeed, a firebrand speaker who laces his speeches with anti-Semitic and anti-Indian statements, now calls himself the leader of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the charity that is Lashkar's parent.

Eric Schmitt contributed reporting from Washington, and Robert F. Worth from Mumbai.
 
The tribals have actually showed a lot of loyalty to Pakistan over the years.

The fact some are fighting the Pakistan Army has nothing to do with the fact they feel ignored. It is because the Pakistan Army is being forced to act by foreigners (I actually agree, Pakistan Army is forced to act, and should act, but the US intelligence has been poor). This in turn is causing the fighting. It has nothing to do with them being ignored, however.

On another note. I think that if India does not show evidence of LeT or JuD involvement in the terror attacks, then Pakistan has to release these people, whatever India threatens. They can keep a close eye on them, in fact some neutral observers perhaps should be sent to keep a close eye on them, what they teach etc.

The ball rests in India's court. The evidence is needed, not "we have evidence", show this evidence to Pakistan so these people can be imprisoned. A Pakistani Guantanomo is not in the interests of Pakistan.
 
The tribals have actually showed a lot of loyalty to Pakistan over the years.

The fact some are fighting the Pakistan Army has nothing to do with the fact they feel ignored. It is because the Pakistan Army is being forced to act by foreigners (I actually agree, Pakistan Army is forced to act, and should act, but the US intelligence has been poor). This in turn is causing the fighting. It has nothing to do with them being ignored, however.

On another note. I think that if India does not show evidence of LeT or JuD involvement in the terror attacks, then Pakistan has to release these people, whatever India threatens. They can keep a close eye on them, in fact some neutral observers perhaps should be sent to keep a close eye on them, what they teach etc.

The ball rests in India's court. The evidence is needed, not "we have evidence", show this evidence to Pakistan so these people can be imprisoned. A Pakistani Guantanomo is not in the interests of Pakistan.

British PM has also confirmed the same. the full evidence is not available because the indians are investigating, meanwhile it looks like that there will be some sort of 3rd party mechanism which is going to help in this investigation. this is due to the "trust deficit" which has existed between india and pakistan since long (esp 1999).

now this goes against the grain of the indian position that all issues between india and pakistan must be solved bilaterally.
 
IF the world is very serious in eliminating terrorism anywhere no matter where it is as far Pakistan is concerned its a victim of terrorism itself with countries like India exporting terrorism to Pakistan from Afghanistan and India, the world must press India to dismantle RSS, Shiv sena and BJP which they are bent upon destroying Pakistan and creating Akhand Bharat state. Pakistan has already done more than enough now Pakistan is being used as scapegoat.
 
Mind you, most other countries are probably going to prefer Pakistan's military to Pakistan's civilian leadership.

As the civilians are strengthened, asking favors out of Pakistan that are against the public opinion would not be possible.
That time has probably passed. Note the overtones of Rice and Brown from your soil. Military or Covilian, whatever regime is in power has to strike and strike hard on all the miscreants involved in the Mumbai carnage. Pakistan's blame game on non-state actors using its soil to wreck havoc on innocent civilians had earned it a debilitating title of a weak and incapable government.

Now, if a public opinion asks its so called govt. for protecting and abetting miscreants whom the international citizen and the UN has declared terrorists, and the Govt. succumbs to that pressure, then both that Govt. and its masses public opinion is doomed till kingdomcome. You have to decide, are you willing and are you capable of striking these terrorists, irrespective of whether your domestic laws consider them terrorists or not? Or are your willing to cry "helpless" and invite foreign punitive strikes?
In a Pakistan that is run by Public Opinion, Pakistan would've already bombed out all Indian consulates in Afghanistan and even silenced the UAV strikes.

That is where the Public Opinion is.
If that's where the public opinion is, then I must say, Pakistan is conjuring the Deadman walking. Its just not a risky walk, but a suicidal one, Asim.
 
And what is incredible India supposed to be with its frenzied people calling for the bloody bombing of Pakistan
 
British PM has also confirmed the same. the full evidence is not available because the indians are investigating

This does not mean evidence does not need to be shared with Pakistan before committing someone guilty.

If it's the case that the full evidence cannot or is not available because the Indians are still investigating, then there should not be any accusations made until they have all the evidence they need to prosecute their case.

They can ask for people to be held under anti terror laws, and that's fine. But there have been accusations made, and information/"evidence" released.

So far no evidence has been made available to Pakistan, and that is what counts. It is like someone going to your house, accusing your relation of committing a crime, and taking them away. You would want to see evidence beforehand. It doesnt matter what your neighbour is saying.

Evidence needs to be shared with Pakistan so Pakistan can prosecute these people. So far, Pakistan has not been given any evidence

As to whether JuD is a front for LeT, if it is, and Pakistan has evidence that in itself would be a crime they could punish them with.
 
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