Pakistan suspends all commercial flights, India closes 9 airports

[Imran Khan]

you don't understand what you are talking about, it is not about extra flight hours, it is about the cost......airlines require permit for overflight, and they pay heft amount for utilizing the airspace.
Now that airlines have been forced to take a long route due to closure of airspace, not only they have to pay extra fuel surcharge they have to pay a surcharge on the use of airspace too. Emirates flying out of Dubai doesn't need to make a stop over at Mumbai for refueling just to land in SEA, they freaking flyout a 787 dreamliner or a 777 or a 747 they a 5 1/2 hrs non stop flight......the only stopover you are going to get from this are the Central Asian based airlines heading to SEA because they have to move all the way from Iran......they are already pulling their hair out......and that is going to hit you back to because your airlines have to pay the surcharge too for use of airspace.....

them being a baniya, they will only focus on Incoming going up, they will not look at the Revenue generated and the cost that has been paid.....they will understand it sooner or later......it was really a joke to read a comment that emirates stopping over in mumbai for refueling....

he has no clue just he is doing his duty of patriotism . since when b777s and a380s need stop over for refueling . its not damn that can fly all over globe without refueling . bacha hai shayed sekh jay ga aik din

 

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he has no clue just he is doing his duty of patriotism . since when b777s and a380s need stop over for refueling . its not damn that can fly all over globe without refueling . bacha hai shayed sekh jay ga aik din

In Vedic technology, the Brahmins fly over Saraswati rivers on orange charriots commencing at Varanasi nightly before heading on a short two hour flight towards Kolkatta whilst getting a refueling of Gau juice in Bombay. An extremely economical trip.

 

[Dubious]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1190683/indian-forces-resort-unprovoked-firing-along-loc/
Meanwhile, not a single Indian soldier has been killed in LOC firing. Make of that what you want.

article from 2016 to lick your wounds or too dumb to notice as long as it shows Pakistan down?

 

[Soumitra]

If India closes its airspace for all Pakistani air traffic during hostilities
Indian reasoning: "we r powerful, we can shut out Pakistani airlines from flying over India anytime we want"

If Pakistan closes its airspace for all Indian air traffic during hostilities
Indian reasoning: "we r powerful, we can force Pakistan to close its airspace just by increasing hostilities anytime we want"

It boils down to "heads I win, tails u lose"...bcuz after years and years of being fed this crap by their media...in their head they r convinced of India being a superpower. This is why we see such paradoxical display of logic as above...ever changing and fluid...whatever it takes to fit their preconceived notions.

Pakistan has not closed its airspace only for India. It is for all airlines for all countries.

Even today limited flights are flying over Pakistan. All this affects the economy - whether you admit it or not

 

[Cookie Monster]

Pakistan has not closed its airspace only for India. It is for all airlines for all countries.

Even today limited flights are flying over Pakistan. All this affects the economy - whether you admit it or not

If only u had common sense. It's done as a precaution so the passenger flights don't get shot out of the sky. Unlike u guys Pak isn't going to risk the lives of civilians. As for economy...normally I wouldn't engage such idiotic crap but i will make an exception this time. A MAJORITY of goods move in and out of Pak through sea routes and the trucking industry/rail networks move goods around on land. Did u get that? I'll repeat...a majority of trade is unaffected. Whatever negligible effect blocking air traffic would have is worth the lives that would be at stake.

 

[Soumitra]

If only u had common sense. It's done as a precaution so the passenger flights don't get shot out of the sky. Unlike u guys Pak isn't going to risk the lives of civilians. As for economy...normally I wouldn't engage such idiotic crap but i will make an exception this time. A MAJORITY of goods move in and out of Pak through sea routes and the trucking industry/rail networks move goods around on land. Did u get that? I'll repeat...a majority of trade is unaffected. Whatever negligible effect blocking air traffic would have is worth the lives that would be at stake.

You mean to say you cant distinguish between IAF plane and a civilian airliners? Or that India will delibrately target a civilian airliner over Pakistan. If it was just for a precautionery measure you could have opened the airspace after 2 days. It is now more than 12 days.

The rumour is that the real reason for the closure is that you have a shortage of aviation fuel and whatever is available is being used by PAF for their patrolling

As for the economic disruption airline is a big part of any major economy- not only for goods but for the people also. people do have to travel from say Lahore to Karachi or from Islamabad to London. If no flights are taking off thousands of people who work at airports and airlines, who drive taxies, who work in hotels are affected. Tourist and business travel comes to a standstill. Pakistan also does not earn any overflight fees. All this affects the economy. Or are you saying that the airline industry in Pakistan is so miniscule that the 12 day disruption will have no effect whatsoever?

Let me give you an example. Your New Islamabad Airport overshot its budget - which is normal for any such project anywhere in the world.
https://nation.com.pk/07-Feb-2016/new-islamabad-airport-a-costly-affair

However they have to somehow recover the investments that they made. The calculation would be dependent on certain number of passengers and flight operations per day. But if no flights fly then the calculations go for a toss.

Already the airport was facing infrastructural issues. But if it is not able to earn money from Passengers, Landing Fees from airlines, Refueling charges etc then imagine what would happen.

 

[Cookie Monster]

You mean to say you cant distinguish between IAF plane and a civilian airliners? Or that India will delibrately target a civilian airliner over Pakistan. If it was just for a precautionery measure you could have opened the airspace after 2 days. It is now more than 12 days.

Pak can keep it closed until it is deemed safe...be it 2 days or 12 days. Why does it matter to u?

As for not being able to distinguish between civilian airliner or IAF planes...do u know the meaning of the term precaution? In most cases the different aircraft can be distinguished. However there's always a small chance that mistakes can be made...like in these cases below...
- Tu154 shot down on Oct 4th 2001 by S200 killing everyone on board during Ukrainian military exercises.

- Malaysian airlines Flight 17 shot down in 2014 by Buk also over Ukraine.

- There was also an Il 76 allegedly shot down according to a reporter over Mogadishu during the battle of Mogadishu.

So in short mistakes happen during battles. Even if it's a small chance it's better to take all PRECAUTIONS(look up this term before arguing further) that guarantee the safety of civilians. It means that we can now blow out IAF jets out of our airspace worry free. So u r welcome to try out ur shenanigans and see what happens

The rumour is that the real reason for the closure is that you have a shortage of aviation fuel and whatever is available is being used by PAF for their patrolling

Such display of infinite wisdom. Of course rumors...how could I forget such a vital source of information. Makes sense...PAF is stealing all the jet fuel of civilian airliners and pumping it in its jets. While u r at it...can u also address the rumors of flat earth, fake moon landing, and vaccines causing autism?

As for the economic disruption airline is a big part of any major economy- not only for goods but for the people also. people do have to travel from say Lahore to Karachi or from Islamabad to London. If no flights are taking off thousands of people who work at airports and airlines, who drive taxies, who work in hotels are affected. Tourist and business travel comes to a standstill. Pakistan also does not earn any overflight fees. All this affects the economy. Or are you saying that the airline industry in Pakistan is so miniscule that the 12 day disruption will have no effect whatsoever?

This must be a norm for u guys but for the rest of the world that's not how it works. U can't just make tall claims and expect everyone to believe all the BS u think to be true. U gotta back up ur claims with cold hard data. Show me the numbers...show me the data...or else have the balls to admit that this is all ur opinion. I expect ur next post will be filled with calculations of how much the Pakistani economy has been impacted by this.

 

[ghazi52]

New Delhi - Kabul air ticket is now four times more expensive than before due to closure of Pakistani airspace

 

[Hallian_Khan]

New Delhi - Kabul air ticket is now four times more expensive than before due to closure of Pakistani airspace

n someone was saying it won't make much difference.... L O L.

 

[Riz]

New Delhi - Kabul air ticket is now four times more expensive than before due to closure of Pakistani airspace

NM.. Afghanis love this chahbar route.. Lol

 

[Mamadouso]

Who travel on these Amritsar to Kabul route anyway? It is like having a route with no economic sense or relationship.

 

[BATMAN]

Who travel on these Amritsar to Kabul route anyway? It is like having a route with no economic sense or relationship.

there are flights from Kubul to Amritsar & to Dehli
Indian army is located around Amritsar.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan must formally introduce "sanctions" against the recent round of Indian terrorism, and permanently stop all Indian Airlines accessing Pakistani airspace for ever. India has announced MFN sanctions against Pakistan, and Pakistan must respond it kind. It cannot be "back to business as usual" for India, they must carry a recurring cost of their stupidity and arrogance. I think, Airspace sanctions are the best way to go. Its costs Pakistan nothing in the grand scheme of thinks, but makes life v.v. difficult for both India, and Afghanisatan(bonus !!).

 

[Soumitra]

This must be a norm for u guys but for the rest of the world that's not how it works. U can't just make tall claims and expect everyone to believe all the BS u think to be true. U gotta back up ur claims with cold hard data. Show me the numbers...show me the data...or else have the balls to admit that this is all ur opinion. I expect ur next post will be filled with calculations of how much the Pakistani economy has been impacted by this.

I know you will not accept an Indian source. So here is a Pakistani source

Pak-India airspace closure: National institutions suffer Rs2.55b loss
Sohail Afzal
March 14, 2019

KARACHI: Pakistan and India have closed their airspace for each other for the last two weeks after rise of tension between the two countries due to which the national institutons of Pakistan have suffered losses of Rs2.55 billion.

The airlines and civil aviation authorities of both the countries are enduring massive losses. The flights between Europe to Far-East are not only facing massive financial losses, but the flight duration has also increased, while the airlines have also increased their ticket prices. The schedule of the airlines flying on these routes has also been affected.

The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has suffered loss of Rs1.05 billion due to closure of certain routes for the airline, while the Civil Aviation Authority of Pakistan has incurred a loss of around Rs1.5 billion so far due to prevailing tension.

Only few large airports are still open, while the airlines are now using long routes due to which the air travel duration has increased, which has resulted into increase in air fares. Only the PIA is suffering a loss of over 70 million on daily basis in the head of fuel charges.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/44...ure-national-institutions-suffer-rs2-55b-loss

 

[GumNaam]

as india's butthurt continues...