Pakistan suspends all commercial flights, India closes 9 airports

[Mentee]

I know you will not accept an Indian source. So here is a Pakistani source

Pak-India airspace closure: National institutions suffer Rs2.55b loss
Sohail Afzal
March 14, 2019

KARACHI: Pakistan and India have closed their airspace for each other for the last two weeks after rise of tension between the two countries due to which the national institutons of Pakistan have suffered losses of Rs2.55 billion.

The airlines and civil aviation authorities of both the countries are enduring massive losses. The flights between Europe to Far-East are not only facing massive financial losses, but the flight duration has also increased, while the airlines have also increased their ticket prices. The schedule of the airlines flying on these routes has also been affected.

The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has suffered loss of Rs1.05 billion due to closure of certain routes for the airline, while the Civil Aviation Authority of Pakistan has incurred a loss of around Rs1.5 billion so far due to prevailing tension.

Only few large airports are still open, while the airlines are now using long routes due to which the air travel duration has increased, which has resulted into increase in air fares. Only the PIA is suffering a loss of over 70 million on daily basis in the head of fuel charges.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/44...ure-national-institutions-suffer-rs2-55b-loss

Still better than losing a civilian airplane at the hands of the hindutava regime. Btw is it true that the Pakistani airspace ban has the second largest Indian airline on the verge of bankruptcy?

. I expect ur next post will be filled with calculations of how much the Pakistani economy has been impacted by this.

You sir are a genius.
Plz Refer to post number 104

 

[Soumitra]

. Btw is it true that the Pakistani airspace ban has the second largest Indian airline on the verge of bankruptcy?

No

Jet Airways financial troubles started last 6-8 months back and have nothing to do with Pakistan Airspace closure

 

[Cookie Monster]

I know you will not accept an Indian source. So here is a Pakistani source

Pak-India airspace closure: National institutions suffer Rs2.55b loss
Sohail Afzal
March 14, 2019

KARACHI: Pakistan and India have closed their airspace for each other for the last two weeks after rise of tension between the two countries due to which the national institutons of Pakistan have suffered losses of Rs2.55 billion.

The airlines and civil aviation authorities of both the countries are enduring massive losses. The flights between Europe to Far-East are not only facing massive financial losses, but the flight duration has also increased, while the airlines have also increased their ticket prices. The schedule of the airlines flying on these routes has also been affected.

The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has suffered loss of Rs1.05 billion due to closure of certain routes for the airline, while the Civil Aviation Authority of Pakistan has incurred a loss of around Rs1.5 billion so far due to prevailing tension.

Only few large airports are still open, while the airlines are now using long routes due to which the air travel duration has increased, which has resulted into increase in air fares. Only the PIA is suffering a loss of over 70 million on daily basis in the head of fuel charges.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/44...ure-national-institutions-suffer-rs2-55b-loss

The airlines and civil aviation authorities of both the countries are enduring massive losses.
Read this line above carefully and multiple times. If Pak incurs losses due to airspace closure so does India and any country for that matter bcuz any and ALL flights that normally used to fly over Pak(as the shorter route) must now go around and take longer routes...burning more fuel and thus increasing costs. Do u get it smart Alec? I know the purpose of u creating this thread was to show that somehow India is inflicting financial losses on Pak due to recent losses but u conveniently left out how India is also facing those losses.

Now on to the next point to bust more of ur delusions of Pakistan's economy being effected...
The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has suffered loss of Rs1.05 billion due to closure of certain routes for the airline, while the Civil Aviation Authority of Pakistan has incurred a loss of around Rs1.5 billion so far due to prevailing tension.

A loss of 1.05 billion rupees for PIA and a loss of 1.5 billion rupees for Civil Aviation Authority...
Total = 2.55 billion rupees

Converted to USD...its roughly 18,315,018.25. Pak's current GDP is at around 305 billion USD. (I used Google to convert to USD and to look up Pakistan's GDP)
(18,315,018.25/305,000,000,000) × 100 = 0.00600492401%

So what was it u were saying about Pak's economy being effected? Idk if u fully grasped the calculation above. Its 0.006%...get it? Its 0.006%...do u see the insignificance of that number yet?

No

Jet Airways financial troubles started last 6-8 months back and have nothing to do with Pakistan Airspace closure

Double standards shining bright...
"Jet Airways didn't face any losses due to airspace closure bcuz it was already in financial trouble before the airspace closed...while in case of PIA, let's change up the justification and conveniently ignore that it has also been facing financial losses for years now and let's chalk up the losses to airspace closure."

I'm not at all surprised by ur logical gymnastics...in fact I'm amazed how u bend and twist the same logic and reasoning to shine a light on India while casting a shadow on Pakistan. It's laughable of course but I commend all the creative imagination and hardwork u guys put into it.

So do u have anything concrete to show me the economic trouble Pakistan has gotten itself into by closing its airspace due to "Indian pressure" or are u gonna come back with some other flimsy attempt to try and prove ur point...only to be embarrassed and get taught some basic math on a defence forum.

@Mentee post 104 answered

 

[SMC]

I know you will not accept an Indian source. So here is a Pakistani source

Pak-India airspace closure: National institutions suffer Rs2.55b loss
Sohail Afzal
March 14, 2019

KARACHI: Pakistan and India have closed their airspace for each other for the last two weeks after rise of tension between the two countries due to which the national institutons of Pakistan have suffered losses of Rs2.55 billion.

The airlines and civil aviation authorities of both the countries are enduring massive losses. The flights between Europe to Far-East are not only facing massive financial losses, but the flight duration has also increased, while the airlines have also increased their ticket prices. The schedule of the airlines flying on these routes has also been affected.

The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has suffered loss of Rs1.05 billion due to closure of certain routes for the airline, while the Civil Aviation Authority of Pakistan has incurred a loss of around Rs1.5 billion so far due to prevailing tension.

Only few large airports are still open, while the airlines are now using long routes due to which the air travel duration has increased, which has resulted into increase in air fares. Only the PIA is suffering a loss of over 70 million on daily basis in the head of fuel charges.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/44...ure-national-institutions-suffer-rs2-55b-loss

Pakistan can open its airspace for all airlines except Indian and it will be back to earning the majority of that income. Meantime, Indian airlines will continue bleeding if Pakistan keeps its airspace closed just for Indian airlines.

 

[Soumitra]

The airlines and civil aviation authorities of both the countries are enduring massive losses.
Read this line above carefully and multiple times. If Pak incurs losses due to airspace closure so does India and any country for that matter bcuz any and ALL flights that normally used to fly over Pak(as the shorter route) must now go around and take longer routes...burning more fuel and thus increasing costs. Do u get it smart Alec? I know the purpose of u creating this thread was to show that somehow India is inflicting financial losses on Pak due to recent losses but u conveniently left out how India is also facing those losses.

Now on to the next point to bust more of ur delusions of Pakistan's economy being effected...
The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has suffered loss of Rs1.05 billion due to closure of certain routes for the airline, while the Civil Aviation Authority of Pakistan has incurred a loss of around Rs1.5 billion so far due to prevailing tension.

A loss of 1.05 billion rupees for PIA and a loss of 1.5 billion rupees for Civil Aviation Authority...
Total = 2.55 billion rupees

Converted to USD...its roughly 18,315,018.25. Park's current GDP is at around 305 billion USD. (I used Google to convert to USD and to look up Pakistan's GDP)
(18,315,018.25/305,000,000,000) × 100 = 0.00600492401%

So what was it u were saying about Pak's economy being effected? Idk if u fully grasped the calculation above. Its 0.006%...get it? Its 0.006%...do u see the insignificance of that number yet?

Double standards shining bright...
"Jet Airways didn't face any losses due to airspace closure bcuz it was already in financial trouble before the airspace closed...while in case of PIA, let's change up the justification and conveniently ignore that it has also been facing financial losses for years now and let's chalk up the losses to airspace closure."

I'm not at all surprised by ur logical gymnastics...in fact I'm amazed how u bend and twist the same logic and reasoning to shine a light on India while casting a shadow on Pakistan. It's laughable of course but I commend all the creative imagination and hardworking u guys put into it.

So do u have anything concrete to show me the economic trouble Pakistan has gotten itself into by closing its airspace due to "Indian pressure" or are u gonna come back with some other flimsy attempt to try and prove ur point...only to be embarrassed and get taught some basic math on a defence forum.

@Mentee post 104 answered

I didn't write this. It is your media which wrote these losses are due to airspace closure.

As for the quantum of loss you can't compare an year's GDP of the whole economy of a country with 10 days loss for a single airline and a govt department. I never claimed that whole Pakistani economy is run by airline industry. BTW this still does not calculate indirect losses to travel and tourism industry

Pakistan can open its airspace for all airlines except Indian and it will be back to earning the majority of that income. Meantime, Indian airlines will continue bleeding if Pakistan keeps its airspace closed just for Indian airlines.

Today is 21st March 23 days have passed. Pakistani Airspace is still not "Fully" open to all airlines except Indian Airlines.

See the volume of traffic in the Mumbai sector. A lot of this overflight traffic could have been over Pakistan and you would have earned money from every overflight.

But what do I know. You are such a strong economy that you don't mind loosing this revenue.

 

[SMC]

Today is 21st March 23 days have passed. Pakistani Airspace is still not "Fully" open to all airlines except Indian Airlines.

See the volume of traffic in the Mumbai sector. A lot of this overflight traffic could have been over Pakistan and you would have earned money from every overflight.

But what do I know. You are such a strong economy that you don't mind loosing this revenue.View attachment 548032

Yes, Pakistani airspace is still not open. My point, when it does open, Pakistan can just ban it for Indian airlines and keep making most of the revenue while crippling the Indian airlines like it's doing right now.

Look, let's not beat around the bush about it. India would have blocked Pakistani airlines from its airspace if it had the airspace advantage that Pakistan currently does. It would have happened a long time ago, given how petty, immature and insecure Indians are.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Pakistan air space is fully open and operational ……….. except for India ….. we will not allow any indian airliner jet to use our airspace and we will also not allow any other airline to use our airspace for india ……. Rest we are fully open and operational .

 

[Cookie Monster]

I didn't write this. It is your media which wrote these losses are due to airspace closure.

As for the quantum of loss you can't compare an year's GDP of the whole economy of a country with 10 days loss for a single airline and a govt department. I never claimed that whole Pakistani economy is run by airline industry.

And here ur contradictory logic has come full circle...below is what u said earlier.

As for the economic disruption airline is a big part of any major economy- not only for goods but for the people also. people do have to travel from say Lahore to Karachi or from Islamabad to London. If no flights are taking off thousands of people who work at airports and airlines, who drive taxies, who work in hotels are affected. Tourist and business travel comes to a standstill. Pakistan also does not earn any overflight fees. All this affects the economy. Or are you saying that the airline industry in Pakistan is so miniscule that the 12 day disruption will have no effect whatsoever?

Read both and laugh at urself...well actually u should be embarrassed...its everyone else who will be laughing at u.

BTW this still does not calculate indirect losses to travel and tourism industry

The burden of proof lies on u..any time u claim something like u r again claiming here about indirect losses on tourism and travel.

Earlier u were claiming a big economic loss and then u failed to provide any proof. Eventually u dug up some losses for PIA...and when I showed u some basic math u tried saving face by denying ur original argument.

@Mentee don't miss out the amusing parts

 

[Soumitra]

And here ur contradictory logic has come full circle...below is what u said earlier.

Read both and laugh at urself...well actually u should be embarrassed...its everyone else who will be laughing at u.

The burden of proof lies on u..any time u claim something like u r again claiming here about indirect losses on tourism and travel.

Earlier u were claiming a big economic loss and then u failed to provide any proof. Eventually u dug up some losses for PIA...and when I showed u some basic math u tried saving face by denying ur original argument.

@Mentee don't miss out the amusing parts

Keep on misinterpreting my argument and feel like you are "winning" I have no problem.

As for indirect loss from tourism lets see this report

https://www.dawn.com/news/1360604

It says that in 2017 foreign tourists spent Rs. 96.7 billion. Let us extrapolate it and say that in 2018 average spent would be Rs. 100 billion. This means that in 18 days of airspace closure you would be losing approx Rs. 5 Billion ($35.7 million)

 

[Cookie Monster]

Keep on misinterpreting my argument and feel like you are "winning" I have no problem.

As for indirect loss from tourism lets see this report

https://www.dawn.com/news/1360604

It says that in 2017 foreign tourists spent Rs. 96.7 billion. Let us extrapolate it and say that in 2018 average spent would be Rs. 100 billion. This means that in 18 days of airspace closure you would be losing approx Rs. 5 Billion ($35.7 million)

There is nothing to misinterpret...it wasn't some hidden message. U wrote it plain and clear and then contradicted urself a few posts later. U can hide behind whatever excuse u want...but u can't expect other readers to be fooled by the excuses u r using to fool urself. In any case don't bother quoting me anymore, I'm done spoon feeding u some basic knowledge. Keep ur head buried in the sand and enjoy.

 

[SMC]

Keep on misinterpreting my argument and feel like you are "winning" I have no problem.

As for indirect loss from tourism lets see this report

https://www.dawn.com/news/1360604

It says that in 2017 foreign tourists spent Rs. 96.7 billion. Let us extrapolate it and say that in 2018 average spent would be Rs. 100 billion. This means that in 18 days of airspace closure you would be losing approx Rs. 5 Billion ($35.7 million)

I don't see how your message was misinterpreted. If it was misinterpreted, you should explain how it was misinterpreted and what you actually meant.

As for tourism, you do know that nearly all flights into and out of Pakistan resumed within a few days? So most of the points you had listed are mute. Only flights going over eastern sector of Pakistan and are not landing or taking off from Pakistan are banned.