Pakistan successfully tests indigenous drone Burraq and Barq laser guided missile

[The Deterrent]

Seriously,u believe that statement??

"Technically Pakistanis are more capable than Indians - which is clearly visible in any field one might care to look at."

I would be interested if u can name just one such field.

You missed his point, go through the context...don't take it literally.

 

[noksss]

Congrats Pakistan

 

[he-man]

You missed his point, go through the context...don't take it literally.

I did and it makes no sense.
We still don't know the subsystems of majority of pakistani systems ,,there is no official breakup given anywhere.

On the other hand u can find complete breakup of indian systems whether imported or otherwise right to the level of an ordinary screw on drdo and its constituent labs' websites.The rest of unknown facts come out later during the CAG reports which are too critical by even my own standards.

So any comparison being made are simply null and void unless and until we have an info on pakistani systems on a much greater degree either in the form of manufacturer specification/infographics or data by independent research journalists.

 

[The Deterrent]

I did and it makes no sense.
We still don't know the subsystems of majority of pakistani systems ,,there is no official breakup given anywhere.

On the other hand u can find complete breakup of indian systems whether imported or otherwise right to the level of an ordinary screw on drdo and its constituent labs' websites.The rest of unknown facts come out later during the CAG reports which are too critical by even my own standards.

So any comparison being made is simply null and void unless and until we have an info on pakistani systems on a much greater degree either in the form of manufacturer specification/infographics or data by independent research journalists.

If it works, two things: We don't care where it comes from and we don't feel the need to explain ourselves and our systems to the world.

The bottom-line is that Pakistan's Military-Industrial Complex manages to get it done. And that is what he was referring to, that no matter how much advanced Indians are in research, they lag behind their needs. Whereas Pakistanis keep up with their requirements even with petty budgets. The term "technical" meant that we produce imported components much faster; we reverse-engineer much much faster than Indians.

 

[he-man]

they lag behind their needs

There is a difference in simply importing and making stuff locally.I hope u get the point.Latter is not easy especially for subcontinent people as we have traditionally been very weak in fundamental sciences and research.

 

[The Deterrent]

There is a difference in simply importing and making stuff locally.I hope u get the point.Latter is not easy especially for subcontinent people as we have traditionally been very weak in fundamental sciences and research.

Precisely. Most of the time, India either imports weapons or tries to develop it from scratch locally. But Pakistan prefers to import / reverse-engineer the systems and produce it locally.

 

[rajnikant]

Ja mera bacha so ja, neend ka time ho gaya, ajj waise tum logo ko neend to ani nahi phir please try it




Dehan say, Neend mein bhi "Buraq" na ajaye

Again...Kitne ka liye yaar ye to bata..

 

[Armstrong]

Precisely. Most of the time, India either imports weapons or tries to develop it from scratch locally. But Pakistan prefers to import / reverse-engineer the systems and produce it locally.

Of the top of your head if you were to compare, very briefly, the benefits and shortcomings of either of those two approaches what would they be ?

And Deterrent Bhai whats the endurance of this Burraq drone and are there any other uses of the Barq missile ?

 

[he-man]

tries to develop it from scratch locally

Which has started to pay off ,of late.
Research is never easy but if u can endure the difficult periods,u will benefit a lot.

We do import a lot though but even tejas is 50-60% indian now.I would say thats okay.

 

[SecularNationalist]

And meanwhile the indians are too busy painting imported Russian missiles

 

[45'22']

And meanwhile the indians are too busy painting imported Russian missiles

Which one???

 

[Irfan Baloch]

A humble suggestion to the engineers, Why is the button/joystick panel so high from the table top? it will cause fatigue to the operators. Bring it down to the table top level where operators can rest their wrists.

this might have bypassed their thought.
it may or may not come to the designers and the users will improvise with something that makes their 10+ hour shifts less cumbersome.


if the drone operators are from PAF, say grounded pilots etc then they will bring this up for sure and it will resemble more like a control room of a US drone which is more like a cockpit. easy reclining chair and access to controls without having to lean on.

 

[The Deterrent]

Of the top of your head if you were to compare, very briefly, the benefits and shortcomings of either of those two approaches what would they be ?

And Deterrent Bhai whats the endurance of this Burraq drone and are there any other uses of the Barq missile ?

Both have their pros and cons respective of their scenarios. In India's case, DRDO has access to a lot of funding from the GoI so they can invest easily in research and development. Also, since India has a conventional upper-hand, they are in no particular hurry since their existence is not being threatened. This investment of time and money pays off in the long term.

Our case is different.Pakistan's NESCOM is cash-strapped, and it barely produces enough system to meet the minimum needs of the military. And since we are conventionally inferior, our deterrence relies very heavily on the nuclear weapons, delivery systems for which are direly needed. We simply don't have the time or the money to invest in research.

The endurance would be around the same of CH-3 (since both are in the same category) that is 12 hours. Burq can be used as an ATGM or anti-personnel AGM based on the warhead type.

 

[Pomegranate]

There is a difference in simply importing and making stuff locally.I hope u get the point.Latter is not easy especially for subcontinent people as we have traditionally been very weak in fundamental sciences and research.

Keep calm and enjoy technology of pakistan i know you cant digest it ............

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,

It will ultimatey end up as a flight simulator cockpit type display----.

This development will be on the same level as that of the JF 17----but its effect may be felt sooner. Two sqdrn's of these drones will act as a force multiplier in Fata and Balochistan.

Actually----Balochistan will be the center of activity for these drones---protecting the gas pipeline and electric grid towers.

Mastan doubt if the designers will acknowledge this very important aspect of design which contributes towards the endurance of the drone and accuracy because the operator is not fatigued. hope I am wrong but just commenting on our Pakistani mentality

the decision makers might have forced the engineers to put all their energy on one single thing and that is the aircraft and its payload. I wish they see that resembling a flight simulator cockpit would directly contribute towards the program success but I dont know where it lies in the priority.