Pakistan successfully tests indigenous drone Burraq and Barq laser guided missile

[Beast]

Tell that to sailors who prefer the 1980's Oliver Hazard Perry and its "Cosmetic" and "Presentation" compared to the F-22P whose first two ships were considered hellholes with zero regard for human engineering.. along with the reliability of a knockoff iphones sold in the streets of Chinese capitals.

Now you give me a lecture of knock off? Wonderful.

How China's CH-3 UCAV has become Pakistan's Burraq UCAV.

And please, you pay what you get. You paid too little money and expect as good as US O Perry?

If you all are not that stingy and paid more. We can offer better product. Do not use an export product to gauge China quality standard. China export military product is always inferior to domestic uses.

 

[SQ8]

Now you give me a lecture of knock off? Wonderful.

How China's CH-3 UCAV has become Pakistan's Burraq UCAV.

Im not giving you a lecture on knock off Mr Lack of Comprehension issues, I am giving you a lecture on your remark on how western equipment and its "presentation" offends you.. when you own country makes and sells equipment that without this "presentation" is almost impossible to operate.. and when it does chances are it breaks down or things fall off it.

 

[Beast]

Im not giving you a lecture on knock off Mr Lack of Comprehension issues, I am giving you a lecture on your remark on how western equipment and its "presentation" offends you.. when you own country makes and sells equipment that without this "presentation" is almost impossible to operate.. and when it does chances are it breaks down or things fall off it.

HOw do you know without that western presentation, it is impossible to operate? Have you operate the Burraq UCAV before? Or you have operate the US reaper before? Is it based on your perception and not facts?

 

[Viper0011.]

You know why western stuff is very expensive? Becos they spend lots of money on unnecessary stuff like cosmetic and presentation which bears no effect on its combat effectiveness, multiple the cost 4-5 times..

Of course you'd say that. The "Cosmetic and Unnecessary Stuff" that you are referring to....is called "QUALITY", which obviously doesn't exist in Chinese products. When you don't produce anything and copy from others, the Quality doesn't exist in that process. In fact, the only thing you can NEVER create or add by re-engineering or copying a product.....is its QUALITY. As that Quality Assurance process, didn't come with stealing or copying. It's a process that takes place at the OEM's facility.

Quality has a HUGE impact on the combat effectiveness. Take a look at your jet engine industry. Do you think the Chinese don't know or can't build jet engines that the US and the Russians have been building since WWII? Absolutely they can, and they have many models too.

Have they've been struggling with it even with having trillions of dollars, thousands of scientists and many stolen and purchased copies of different systems? Heck yes. Why? Because of the Low Quality in engine manufacturing.

The result is an engine that has either VERY LOW MTBF (breaking down easily and every few dozen of hours vs. hundreds or thousands of hours like the GE or PW engines), or stops working randomly during spool every few hours. Which means it can stop working in flight and that's risking millions of jets and human lives!!! That's quality for you.

A simple example of "high quality" is a simple basic ECG machine. Low quality machine from China, compared to GE or Siemen's ECG machine, may entirely NOT show ST changes / elevations in your heart's electrical system, resulting in ignoring a Heat Attack and losing a life.

Higher quality machines would show the smallest deviation, drops or elevation in your heart's electrical activity, resulting in quickly identifying the severity of the problem and getting help ASAP, resulting in saving lives.

So Quality saves lives, sells more, brings more satisfied customers, and bring billions of profits (Apple, Google, Lexus, Mercedes, GE, Prat and Whitney, LM), are few examples of high quality producers.

 

[MastanKhan]

Of course you'd say that. The "Cosmetic and Unnecessary Stuff" that you are referring to....is called "QUALITY", which obviously doesn't exist in Chinese products. When you don't produce anything and copy from others, the Quality doesn't exist in that process. In fact, the only thing you can NEVER create or add by re-engineering or copying a product.....is its QUALITY. As that Quality Assurance process, didn't come with stealing or copying. It's a process that takes place at the OEM's facility.

Quality has a HUGE impact on the combat effectiveness. Take a look at your jet engine industry. Do you think the Chinese don't know or can't build jet engines that the US and the Russians have been building since WWII? Absolutely they can, and they have many models too.

Have they've been struggling with it even with having trillions of dollars, thousands of scientists and many stolen and purchased copies of different systems? Heck yes. Why? Because of the Low Quality in engine manufacturing.

The result is an engine that has either VERY LOW MTBF (breaking down easily and every few dozen of hours vs. hundreds or thousands of hours like the GE or PW engines), or stops working randomly during spool every few hours. Which means it can stop working in flight and that's risking millions of jets and human lives!!! That's quality for you.

A simple example of "high quality" is a simple basic ECG machine. Low quality machine from China, compared to GE or Siemen's ECG machine, may entirely NOT show ST changes / elevations in your heart's electrical system, resulting in ignoring a Heat Attack and losing a life.

Higher quality machines would show the smallest deviation, drops or elevation in your heart's electrical activity, resulting in quickly identifying the severity of the problem and getting help ASAP, resulting in saving lives.

So Quality saves lives, sells more, brings more satisfied customers, and bring billions of profits (Apple, Google, Lexus, Mercedes, GE, Prat and Whitney, LM), are few examples of high quality producers.

Hi what happened was the engine technology the chines had was stolen from the west---including the metallurgic composition of the critical parts.

What the chinese did not know was that the---information was sabotaged---. Te west already knew the informant would be stolen---they sabotaged the composition of metals in critical components so that they would break down after 100---200 hours of operation.

If you are an engineer then you would know that is the most critical time of development---you cannot stop---you cannot start over---because you have too much time and money invested---.

 

[SQ8]

HOw do you know without that western presentation, it is impossible to operate? Have you operate the Burraq UCAV before? Or you have operate the US reaper before? Is it based on your perception and not facts?

Lets see, Ive operated and worked with Harris Products, ASELSAN products.. and those from China.
Guess which ones are the easiest to use and dont have failures or burn out?

 

[Beast]

Of course you'd say that. The "Cosmetic and Unnecessary Stuff" that you are referring to....is called "QUALITY", which obviously doesn't exist in Chinese products. When you don't produce anything and copy from others, the Quality doesn't exist in that process. In fact, the only thing you can NEVER create or add by re-engineering or copying a product.....is its QUALITY. As that Quality Assurance process, didn't come with stealing or copying. It's a process that takes place at the OEM's facility.

Quality has a HUGE impact on the combat effectiveness. Take a look at your jet engine industry. Do you think the Chinese don't know or can't build jet engines that the US and the Russians have been building since WWII? Absolutely they can, and they have many models too.

Have they've been struggling with it even with having trillions of dollars, thousands of scientists and many stolen and purchased copies of different systems? Heck yes. Why? Because of the Low Quality in engine manufacturing.

The result is an engine that has either VERY LOW MTBF (breaking down easily and every few dozen of hours vs. hundreds or thousands of hours like the GE or PW engines), or stops working randomly during spool every few hours. Which means it can stop working in flight and that's risking millions of jets and human lives!!! That's quality for you.

A simple example of "high quality" is a simple basic ECG machine. Low quality machine from China, compared to GE or Siemen's ECG machine, may entirely NOT show ST changes / elevations in your heart's electrical system, resulting in ignoring a Heat Attack and losing a life.

Higher quality machines would show the smallest deviation, drops or elevation in your heart's electrical activity, resulting in quickly identifying the severity of the problem and getting help ASAP, resulting in saving lives.

So Quality saves lives, sells more, brings more satisfied customers, and bring billions of profits (Apple, Google, Lexus, Mercedes, GE, Prat and Whitney, LM), are few examples of high quality producers.

Please do not mix up cosmetic appearance with quality. I am talking about comestic appearance and perception US marketing they alway deploy. For example , the US UCAV control room looks very complicated and have plenty of LCD display and plenty of buttons. Does it mean its has superior or better control. Does it mean it will not break down more often than the Chinese one just becos it looks more complicated, more color and better finishing?

You seriously think every countries has a defense budget of 600billion dollar every year?

If I see it in another angle, it looks too complicated to understand and probably too confusing for a novice to quickly grasp the concept. Do you know why weatern hardware is getting so expensive that even you own military procurement has always cut down on number order. The western non concept of cost saving will surely kill off its military industries and competitiveness. F-35 is aone fine example where budget overblow and kill off the fund for many other important defence project. Everybody shall learn the lesson from Greece who spend defence without using their head but based on perception and without controlling their budget. Now their military is one of the most rusty in the world and result in the recent crash in spain becos lack of funds for maintenance. Its fun to have the best and brag. But its not fun when you ran out of money and no means to maintain it. I can bet Turkish Airforce can easily crashed Hellenic Airforce with more training and maintenance.

 

[Bobby]

Atleast give thanks to China

 

[Beast]

Atleast give thanks to China

Precisely, no money and want the best. Do you have a 10 trillion economy?
So spend wisely and get the best buck out of it. Instead of jumping like a fanboy and bragging about how you shall have the best.

 

[The Deterrent]

A couple of Corrections, the Missile is Chinese.. the UAV is not. The canard swept design is actually very popular, by that logic the Chinese CH-3 is also the Rustom and otherwise. The Original forefather of this design was a high speed target drone also built by GIDS back when it was just IDS.. this is around 1996-7 when the firm operated out of a basement office behind KFC.

I would beg to differ on this one sir. The missile (Burq) is not wholly Chinese, only its airframe is. The rest has been developed at home based on the salvaged debris of the several Predator crashes and accompanying Hellfires.
Similarly, the UCAV's (Burraq) airframe is that of CH-3, but internally it has been developed here.

Of course I'm not calling it indigenous, but to put locally manufactured components (inspired by different sources) together to produce an effective system is a really nice achievement, given the current state of affairs.

 

[wiqi21]

 

[SipahSalar]

Is this the same drone in Nigeria? It seems to be armed.

CH-3 Drone Firing

 

[SQ8]

I would beg to differ on this one sir. The missile (Burq) is not wholly Chinese, only its airframe is. The rest has been developed at home based on the salvaged debris of the several Predator crashes and accompanying Hellfires.
Similarly, the UCAV's (Burraq) airframe is that of CH-3, but internally it has been developed here.

Of course I'm not calling it indigenous, but to put locally manufactured components (inspired by different sources) together to produce an effective system is a really nice achievement, given the current state of affairs.

That is the story with many things here, my point was that it wont matter how we get it done.. we simply need to get it done.

 

[faisal6309]

 

[Sine Nomine]

That is the story with many things here, my point was that it wont matter how we get it done.. we simply need to get it done.

agreed sir,whether masturbating or F***** somehow we get pleasure,whether indigenous or imported surely it will be used to send taildogs to hell and make there fathers let crying on there wastage....this useless to talk where it's from....