Pakistan successfully tests Babur 2 Cruise Missile.

[Rashid Mahmood]

This is what would be an ideal CDS coverage with a modest 240 km range Anti-Ship Missile.
I have used 240 km range because targeting a frigate sized ship at +15 kts at this range needs a lot of precision.
It's a rough drawing, not to be taken for granted.

Only 3 Missile batteries would be required at locations along the coast to cover the whole coastline from the creeks to Jiwani.

You increase the range of the missile, the area of denial will increase.
With Babur 2 on some platforms, just imagine the denial area.
(* This is just my opinion only, just to give you an idea)

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Well those who bleed green, might be interested to know that the second version of Babur which reached IOC " a couple of years +/- ago" was SLCM.

This was the second version, after Babur Surface to Surface CM.

Note: Those who bleed any other color except green, please ignore this post.

Thank You!

Are you sure you bleed green and still you do not look like this...

 

[Ultima Thule]

>> Pakistan should develop air defense systems.

off topic, this is a thread of successful launch of BABUR-2 not for ADS

 

[The Accountant]

The actual range and capabilities are never released to public.

Developing a terrain hugging missile equipped with state of the art navigational technologies of Terrain Contour Matching (TERCOM) and all time Digital Scene Matching & Area Co-relation (DSMAC) is a proud moment for our scientists.

Hi ,,, just one question in my mind ... our navigational system of cruise missile are state of the art and all the efforts are seems to be in this direction ... but all of our missiles are sub sonic except for purchased CM 400 AK which is also not a true cruise missile but somewhat more close to ballistic missile engine tech but following a high altitude cruise missile trajectory ...

So currently are we doing anything on ramjet engines ... or even if we procure ramjet engine so would it be possible to mate navigational systems and seekers of babar with ramjet and develop a new breed of supersoinc missile ???

 

[Windjammer]

The efforts and transformation of Babur system has been impressive to say the least.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

So currently are we doing anything on ramjet engines ... or even if we procure ramjet engine so would it be possible to mate navigational systems and seekers of babar with ramjet and develop a new breed of supersoinc missile ???

Not in my knowledge.

 

[Ultima Thule]

but all of our missiles are sub sonic

C-803 is a terminal supersonic missiles

 

[Indus Falcon]

The Press Release today , is not giving the full story either.

The actual range and capabilities are never released to public.

@Penguin Mods have certain limitations. Anything they say can be misconstrued as an official statement.

But if you were to keep an eye on these two gentlemen, you will definitely get a lot of credible info.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Babur 2 Cruise missile points.

1. It can hit targets at land and Sea with pin point accuracy at the range of 700 km.
2. Can carry multiple types of Warheads (although Pakistan didn't reveal the actual types of warheads. (different warhead might include HE , Cluster , Dispenser, Nuclear Warhead)
3. With the mentioning of Anti ship Capability .. It can be assumed that Missile might comes up with (active radar homing)
4. it is equipped with navigational technologies like TERCOM and DSMAC which enables it to engage various type of targets with pinpoint accuracy even in the absence of GPS navigation.
5. sources mentioned Enhance stealthy features which means better material is used in missile ... which also might have reduce overall weight of missile

 

[The Accountant]

Not in my knowledge.

@Penguin @Khafee @Horus @Devil Soul @Side-Winder

Hi can anyone response to below query of mine ?

just one question in my mind ... our navigational system of cruise missile are state of the art and all the efforts are seems to be in this direction ... but all of our missiles are sub sonic except for purchased CM 400 AK which is also not a true cruise missile but somewhat more close to ballistic missile engine tech but following a high altitude cruise missile trajectory ...

So currently are we doing anything on ramjet engines ... or even if we procure ramjet engine so would it be possible to mate navigational systems and seekers of babar with ramjet and develop a new breed of supersoinc missile ???

 

[maxpayne]

@Penguin @Khafee @Horus @Devil Soul @Side-Winder

Hi can anyone response to below query of mine ?

just one question in my mind ... our navigational system of cruise missile are state of the art and all the efforts are seems to be in this direction ... but all of our missiles are sub sonic except for purchased CM 400 AK which is also not a true cruise missile but somewhat more close to ballistic missile engine tech but following a high altitude cruise missile trajectory ...

So currently are we doing anything on ramjet engines ... or even if we procure ramjet engine so would it be possible to mate navigational systems and seekers of babar with ramjet and develop a new breed of supersoinc missile ???

Yes. It is possible. The only impossible is no1 will give us ramjet engines!

 

[Penguin]

That is why they call it Babur 2...it has both configurations now, antiship and land attack..

Oh, really? (I thought I just acknowledged that....)

I am sure its being noticed alright . In addition to the "sea targets", the main component of that is the Digital Area matching system, aka, Satellite pictures of sea assets fed into this system, and it can hunt it down in the ocean on its own like 430 miles out (700 KMs). Even if the GPS system was taken out. This range covers the entire EEZ of Pakistan and on the otherwise, all the way to the Indian ports. So this can directly be sent to Indian ports to take out any Indian naval units, way before they can even enter the Pakistani waters. This is pretty big news for Pakistan in terms of strategic threat perception and neutralization.

That's pretty advance and makes this system on par with a few most advanced systems in the world.

The word 'area' in Digital Area matching system refers to terrain, not 'sea assets' (which refers to individual ships, which are point rather than area targets)

How can a cruise missile hit target without GPS(or similar system) help especially at sea?

datalink (for receiving target coordinates from elsewhere e.g. Orion MPA and/or sending potential target imagery/data)
inertial navigation system
IR or Radar homing terminal guidance

What about moving targets?
It will; work against a blockade though..when enemy ships are almost stationary..

Blockading ships do not chug around at 3 knots.

India had sent their submarine into Pakistani waters and had it shunned out. With China in Arabian Sea, there will be even more anti-submarine radars in place to take care of underwater vehicles.

CPEC has changed situation of Arabian Sea remarkably.. instead of Pakistan, India would be worried about Chinese presence in its waters.

80 mi off shore = international waters.

@Penguin
So currently are we doing anything on ramjet engines ... or even if we procure ramjet engine so would it be possible to mate navigational systems and seekers of babar with ramjet and develop a new breed of supersoinc missile ???

I'm not familiar with Pakistan's efforts in the area of ramjet propulsion. As for external procurement, the following countries had or have ramjet powered missiles: UK, France, Germany, China, Taiwan, India, Russia, US. I see not obstacle in mating guidance pack with different proulsion.

 

[maximuswarrior]

This is what would be an ideal CDS coverage with a modest 240 km range Anti-Ship Missile.
I have used 240 km range because targeting a frigate sized ship at +15 kts at this range needs a lot of precision.
It's a rough drawing, not to be taken for granted.

Only 3 Missile batteries would be required at locations along the coast to cover the whole coastline from the creeks to Jiwani.

You increase the range of the missile, the area of denial will increase.
With Babur 2 on some platforms, just imagine the denial area.
(* This is just my opinion only, just to give you an idea)

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In other words, we shouldn't be surprised that this test coincides with the kick off of CPEC/Gwadar. It is definitely a capability meant to be used for the protection these assets.

 

[The Deterrent]

Anti Ship is not the main focus here. Long range Land strikes are and as such the update is for allowing better terrain following and terminal evasive actions.

Ship board is in limbo until a suitable VLS equipped vessel is procured from China.

Land attack wont be practical until VLS, unless they try what they tried with Nodong in 90's.
Basically, put it on the helipad. A crude approach that might work but not very effective nor secure.

I'm a bit uninformed on the space/volume available on our ships, but would there be a problem in mounting similar (slanted) on-deck launchers?
@Penguin

Well those who bleed green, might be interested to know that the second version of Babur which reached IOC " a couple of years +/- ago" was SLCM.

This was the second version, after Babur Surface to Surface CM.

Note: Those who bleed any other color except green, please ignore this post.

Thank You!

Please see items in Red. IF Babur -2 is a minor upgrade, then what is the top tier so happy about?

Green Bleeders - Do note.

They are ALWAYS happy. It is the standard statement issued every time.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

C-803 is a terminal supersonic missiles

there is no C803 missile till now...