Pakistan successfully tests Babur 2 Cruise Missile.

[LeGenD]

700KM range isn't enough to hit anywhere in India... you just said it can... it can't actually.

Cruise missile is not intended to target urban environments. It is intended to take out military assets and/or targets of strategic value. Towards this end, Babur-II has decent range.

If Pakistan manages to develop naval cruise missile attack capability, it can attack Indian targets from different angles. Now this would be a capability to behold.

 

[I S I]

That's not Urdu, that was in Turkish!!

Damn

 

[Naif al Hilali]

Please see items in Red. IF Babur -2 is a minor upgrade, then what is the top tier is so happy about?

Green Bleeders - Do note.

Unfortunately I can't say anything more then this.



@MastanKhan @Indus Falcon @war&peace @Naif al Hilali

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

Jaza'ak Allah for the tag brother.

Interesting that Gen. Hayat was Director General [DG] Strategic Plans Division [SPD] in the past - his elevation to Chief of the Joint Command [CJCSC] and the current politico-military situation might have some bearing on the timing of this test.

Very impressive to see that they have implemented Terrain Following [TERCOM] and Digital Scene Matching [DSMAC] on the Babur here. Please keep in mind that the F-16C/D's Synthetic Aperture Radar [SAR] and DB-110 Reconnaissance Pod should be good substitutes for generating accurate wartime maps in lieu of satellites that we don't have. The SAAB 340 Airborne Early Warning & Control [AEW&C] aircraft also have decent SAR capability if I remember correctly but they will probable be too busy and too far from the theater for this purpose.

I don't know how good the terminal guidance and maneuvering is but tactical nuclear payloads seem to be the missile's forte.

The increased range and improved (and map update-able) guidance should be huge advantages in targeting nearly all tactical theater staging areas and bases in times of conflict. Will definitely need terminal guidance for conventional attack on moving targets - the terminal guidance, at least on the software side these days, is also a wholly different ball-game on the open seas.


Hifz u kum Allah

 

[Khafee]

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

Jaza'ak Allah for the tag brother.

Interesting that Gen. Hayat was Director General [DG] Strategic Plans Division [SPD] in the past - his elevation to Chief of the Joint Command [CJCSC] and the current politico-military situation might have some bearing on the timing of this test.

Very impressive to see that they have implemented Terrain Following [TERCOM] and Digital Scene Matching [DSMAC] on the Babur here. Please keep in mind that the F-16C/D's Synthetic Aperture Radar [SAR] and DB-110 Reconnaissance Pod should be good substitutes for generating accurate wartime maps in lieu of satellites that we don't have. The SAAB 340 Airborne Early Warning & Control [AEW&C] aircraft also have decent SAR capability if I remember correctly but they will probable be too busy and too far from the theater for this purpose.

I don't know how good the terminal guidance and maneuvering is but tactical nuclear payloads seem to be the missile's forte.

The increased range and improved (and map update-able) guidance should be huge advantages in targeting nearly all tactical theater staging areas and bases in times of conflict. Will definitely need terminal guidance for conventional attack on moving targets - the terminal guidance, at least on the software side these days, is also a wholly different ball-game on the open seas.


Hifz u kum Allah

You have real time High Rez Satellite access for quite some time. Via outsourcing.

Pakistan operates SAAB 2000, and not SAAB 340, which we do.

Babur can use HE conventional warhead quite well, as proven in multiple tests.

To me, the only thing this test tells me, is that Long range Ship to Ship engagements have been perfected.

SLCM to shore, and Ship to shore, capability was achieved long time ago.

 

[MastanKhan]

Can it sink their aircraft carrier?

Hi,

No----it cannot. It would be more potent to use a sub surface small yield nuc tipped torpedo that you even detonate a few meter below the keel of the ship or in close vicinity of it.

That is the best solution to sink a carrier---. A hit from the top may cripple it---but will not sink it.

 

[Khafee]

Sane people will never nuke another country. After knowing its effects.
And will think twice to use against a country having second strike capability

No off topic BS trolling. Consider your self warned.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Congrats for this successful test, now it can hit Sea as well. This is big improvement and 2nd step towards submarine launch platform. We are going in right direction, Day is not far when we will test it from Submarine for Sea to surface and sea to sea Target. Hope it will do well against moving target in sea.

 

[Naif al Hilali]

1. You have real time High Rez Satellite access for quite some time. Via outsourcing.

2. Pakistan operates SAAB 2000, and not SAAB 340, which we do.

3. Babur can use HE conventional warhead quite well, as proven in multiple tests.

4. To me, the only thing this test tells me, is that Long range Ship to Ship engagements have been perfected.

SLCM to shore, and Ship to shore, capability was achieved long time ago.

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

1. Jaza'ak Allah brother, I was actually worried about the wartime mapping aspect for detecting terrain changes and camouflaging. Thanks for making an important point here.

2. Sorry I am both dyslexic and have ADHD. It is difficult for me to write and often I transpose words, sometimes in my mind and sometimes on paper.

3. Jaza'ak Allah and you would know more about the terminal guidance capabilities also which we don't need to discuss here.

4. I cede defeat to your expertise here. I am both out of my comfort zone on this point and have always ended up under-estimating Pakistani/ UAE expertise in the past.

So, with humblest of apologies, I would say for the benefit of this forum's readers that you have the superior knowledge on all these points and they should definitely listen to you, Penguin, and Rashid Mahmood.

Hifz u kum Allah

 

[Khafee]

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

1. Jaza'ak Allah brother, I was actually worried about the wartime mapping aspect for detecting terrain changes and camouflaging. Thanks for making an important point here.

2. Sorry I am both dyslexic and have ADHD. It is difficult for me to write and often I transpose words, sometimes in my mind and sometimes on paper.

3. Jaza'ak Allah and you would know more about the terminal guidance capabilities also which we don't need to discuss here.

4. I cede defeat to your expertise here. I am both out of my comfort zone on this point and have always ended up under-estimating Pakistani/ UAE expertise in the past.

So, with humblest of apologies, I would say for the benefit of this forum's readers that you have the superior knowledge on all these points and they should definitely listen to you, Penguin, and Rashid Mahmood.

Hifz u kum Allah

No issues at all, please free to PM me if I can be of any help.

Best Regards

 

[Aasimkhan]

Sane people will never nuke another country. After knowing its effects.
And will think twice to use against a country having second strike capability

We will do everything if our existence is threatened. If we r no more there why should India exist?

 

[PAKISTANI LEOPARD]

Pakistan Zindabaad

 

[Aasimkhan]

Hi,

No----it cannot. It would be more potent to use a sub surface small yield nuc tipped torpedo that you even detonate a few meter below the keel of the ship or in close vicinity of it.

That is the best solution to sink a carrier---. A hit from the top may cripple it---but will not sink it.

It will depend on the warhead also ? May be a hyper velocity KE round will kill the tanker

 

[MastanKhan]

It will depend on the warhead also ? May be a hyper velocity KE round will kill the tanker

Hi,

There is no conventional war head big enough to sink an aircraft carrier---.

Only chance is to explode the TN warhead under its keel

You have real time High Rez Satellite access for quite some time. Via outsourcing.

Pakistan operates SAAB 2000, and not SAAB 340, which we do.

Babur can use HE conventional warhead quite well, as proven in multiple tests.

To me, the only thing this test tells me, is that Long range Ship to Ship engagements have been perfected.

SLCM to shore, and Ship to shore, capability was achieved long time ago.

Hi,

I think that the range and capabilities are more potent than claimed---.

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

I think that the range and capabilities are more potent than claimed---.

Absolutely.

 

[shah1398]

Hi,

There is no conventional war head big enough to sink an aircraft carrier---.

Only chance is to explode the TN warhead under its keel



Hi,

I think that the range and capabilities are more potent than claimed---.

Off Topic: Loved your signature Sir. Had been searching for exact wordings of it since long. Permission to copy them plz?