Pakistan Successfully Tested Babur 3 Cruise Missile launch from Submarine : ISPR

[Peaceful Civilian]

Now that the cat is out of the bag, I wonder why no one saw thr clues when the Naval strategic command was inaugurated.....

Can SAMs work in submarine via VLS? And , Can radar work when submarine is submerged? Sorry for noob question

 

[friendly_troll96]

Shahab bhi baghair nikkah haram hae.

majjak kar rela tha
https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...om-submarine-ispr.471649/page-15#post-9091979

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Leasing & helping build are two different things.

They did both.... and even your own people have written about it..... infact your own people claim that without russian help arihant would have never seen day light.


Enter the Russians



The project was re-launched in 1985 under Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) co-ordination with the codename Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV). With a retired vice admiral in charge, work on a prototype reactor began at the Kalpakkam nuclear power plant.

“But the project was still not getting anywhere,” says V. Koithara in the book Managing India’s Nuclear Forces. “India then sought and got much more substantial Russian help than had been envisaged earlier. The construction of the submarine’s hull began in 1998, and a basically Russian-designed 83 megawatt pressurised-water reactor was fitted in the hull nine years later.”

Ashok Parthasarthi, a former science and technology adviser to the late Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, sums up the extent of Russian assistance: “India's first indigenous nuclear submarine, INS Arihant...would have just been impossible to realise without Russia’s massive all-round consultancy, technology transfer, technical services and training, technical 'know-how' and 'show-how,' design of the submarine as a whole, and above all numerous operational 'tips' based on 50 years of experience in designing, building and operating nuclear submarines.”

According to Bidwai, “Scores of Russian engineers were sent to India to aid the DAE and DRDO....It was the Russians who supplied the vital designs, precision equipment based on their VM-5 reactor, and the technology of miniaturising the reactor.”

And if there were any doubts about the extent of Russian involvement, they were cast away on July 26, 2009 when 143 Russian engineers, designers and consultants – all participants in the project – attended the boomer’s launch ceremony at Visakhapatnam on the east coast.

Misguided move?

As well as Arihant class boomers, the Indian Navy also plans to acquire as many as six nuclear-powered attack submarines or sub surface nuclear (SSN). India is reportedly holding discussions with shipbuilders from France and the US on participating in the SSN project. This seems wrong in so many ways.

Unlike western support, Russian assistance comes with no strings attached. “Although Russian assistance was extended throughout the 25-year designing and building of Arihant, at no time did anyone in the Russian government ever even mention any end-use restriction,” Parthasarthi points out.

This is significant in the backdrop of India’s quest for diversification in defence purchases. Parthasarthi contrasts Russian military sales with American assistance. “And yet, if India were to import some incomparably low-tech electronic warfare equipment from the US, the US government will demand the application of the end user monitoring agreement.”

When choosing a partner for its future nuclear sub fleet, the Navy brass and the political leadership should bear in mind that the US has traditionally been an unreliable partner in almost every area but especially in defence matters.

France, which welched on the $1 billion Mistral deal with Russia, is no better. Where once it pursued an independent foreign policy, Paris’ interests are now closely aligned with those of the US. French armed forces are partnering the US in a range of conflicts in the Middle East.

“If an Indo-Pak war occurs or we conduct nuclear device tests, the NATO government of the foreign supplier will embargo all supplies of spares and technical services, thereby immobilising our imported weapon systems. Only Russia has never applied embargoes on us,” Parthasarthi explains.

Also, India has had the opportunity, which no other country has had, to test drive foreign nuclear submarines. The Indian Navy was able to lease and operate a Charlie class Soviet submarine for three years beginning 1988.

Again, in 2012 India acquired an Akula II class nuclear attack submarine from the Russian Navy, with an option to buy the vessel after the lease expires. Three hundred Indian Navy personnel were trained in Russia for the operation of the submarine, which was renamed Chakra II.

Can you imagine the US, France or Germany offering India such terms?

And finally, costs. India spent Rs 300 billion on the Arihant project, reinventing the n-submarine. Had New Delhi asked for Russian assistance in the 1970s, the Indian Navy would have acquired a boomer at least a decade or two earlier – and for a lot less.

The sticker price for the six new SSNs is projected at Rs 1 trillion. The entire world knows how the French Rafale’s cost kept increasing like an ever expanding balloon, forcing India to cut its order from 126 aircraft to just 36. India’s future nuclear submarine fleet should not face a similar fate.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...m-submarine-ispr.471649/page-43#ixzz4VCLgiKPp
http://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_t...usia-helped-deliver-indias-baby-boomer_533849


http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/russians-helped-with-ins-arihants-heart-kakodkar-399140

The Arihant was developed completely with the help of Russians, and based on the older Russian Charlie class submarine, who comes with double hull to suppress the noise to make the ship more silent. Arihant’s heart, the nuclear reactor is designed by the BARC, who get full support from the Russian to miniaturize it and fit inside the submarine. The Arihant’s nuclear reactor is capable to generate 83 MW power, to propel and provide electricity to the Ship.

http://defenceupdate.in/arihant-operational-thank-russia/

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Now that the cat is out of the bag, I wonder why no one saw thr clues when the Naval strategic command was inaugurated.....

And, your article of projections...

 

[razgriz19]

Wait so what's babur 2?

 

[The Deterrent]

Wait so what's babur 2?

Upgraded Babur GLCM. Sort of block 2.

 

[JamD]

Upgraded Babur GLCM. Sort of block 2.

This might be a stupid question but have we stopped using the Hatf naming convention? I suppose it got too complicated with multiple versions of Shaheen-1 and now Babur.

 

[koteka]

Well done Pakistan

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

my private sources says, it was launched from a small island in indian ocean, launching claim from a submarine was a deception on pakistan part.

Yeah of course. Afghan space satellites spotted it didn't they..........

Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor ‏@OfficialDGISPR 5m5 minutes ago
#Pakistan successfully test fired first Submarine launched Cruise Missile Babur-3. Rg 450 Km. #COAS congrats Nation and the team involved.

https://twitter.com/x/status/818427713627295745

Don't want this momentous occasion to turn into a troll fest, but ONLY last month, I was arguing with an indian who I told that Pakistan ALREADY HAS a 2nd and 3rd strike nuclear capability and was severely ridiculed for it. He claimed that it would take at LEAST 3 decades for us to achieve that capability IF at all possible. I'm trying to find that thread but having difficulty in locating it. Don't know if someone can help me or not. But it seems that everything the indians say or wish for Pakistan, the EXACT OPPOSITE happens....................

With the above capability and the fact that we have had H-bomb capability since early 2011:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

it is now evident that Pakistan has more than enough capability to completely wipe india off the face of the earth should the need arise.

The damning evidence is that Pakistan is FAR FAR more militarily advanced than it publicly admits to. Not only do we have a triad of nuclear strike capabilities but the strong circumstantial evidence is that Pakistan also has ICBM, advanced ABM & indigenous capabilities to produced advanced fighter jets & other military hardware

 

[dilpakistani]

to my indian friends... significance of the test is that it's a cruise missile not ballistic missile... Your brainless comparison it with k - series is some what a stupid one. Ballistic missiles are more difficult and technologically challenging to mount... however their usage and effectiveness is very limited. In contrast cruise missiles are easy to mount and their effectiveness and free hand usage is much much more versatile ...India still have to test cruise missiles from under water.

 

[PatrioticPaki]

Another milestone achieved by our scientests..... ....
Congratulations to the armed forces of Pakistan.Most awaited news finally came.Somepeople feeling butthurt somewhere in our east.Nuclear triad completed. Well done Pakistan

 

[The Deterrent]

This might be a stupid question but have we stopped using the Hatf naming convention? I suppose it got too complicated with multiple versions of Shaheen-1 and now Babur.

It seems so. It was only supposed to be a symbolic tradition anyways.
Shaheen-IA/III and Babur-II/III all don't have corresponding Hatf designations.

 

[PatrioticPaki]

Proud moment, congrats to the whole nation!

 

[Dalit]

Leasing & helping build are two different things.

Your wish will come true if it hasn't already. China will and is already helping Pakistan in achieving this objective.

Now let me count the recent developments and blessings:

- CPEC multi billion project between Pakistan and China;
- Nasr capability putting Indian Cold doctrine in the freezer;
- Babur 2 upgradation and enhancement;
- Babur 3 SLCM completing the triad and initiating the way to greater success.

Pakistan is on a roll here.

 

[Basel]

It seems so. It was only supposed to be a symbolic tradition anyways.
Shaheen-IA/III and Babur-II/III all don't have corresponding Hatf designations.

If I m not wrong then it's Hatf-VIII series.