Pakistan Succesful Test Fired Hatf-VIII Ra'ad ALCM

[KingMamba]

Just a thought Call me crazy, but while Hatf, Raad and Shaheen are fine, names like Ghauri just make me cringe. I would think it's better to avoid personalities all together.

If Pakistan ever makes an ICBM they should call it Qiyamat, because if they ever have to use such a thing in battle it will be Qiyamat.

 

[Screambowl]

Your lack of awareness about Pakistan NCW is amusing. Strategic Planning Division of Pakistan had signed agreement with chinese in 2012 to use Military grade Beidou signals. Signing ceremony pictures of then SPD DG and Chinese Beidou project director and Military officials are somewhere in this forum.

Last year Pakistan has began to establish Beidou base stations

Pakistan becomes first country to deploy China’s BeiDou GPS network – The Express Tribune

Look up at IDEAS 2014 thread. There are pictures of Pakistani advance NCW system. PA and PAF are in lead in deploying their NCW systems

I have mentioned in my previous post that Pakistan uses Military grade frequencies of Chinese satellite for navigation, not for communication or detection. Even GPS provides it. Big Deal?

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[Bratva]

I have mentioned in my previous post that Pakistan uses Military grade frequencies of Chinese satellite for navigation, not for communication or detection. Even GPS provides it. Big Deal?

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How do you know Pakistan doesnot use Beidou for communication ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

How do you know Pakistan doesnot use Beidou for communication ?

just their wishful thinking and assumption, and pakistani must tell Mr screambowl what it have

 

[Screambowl]

How do you know Pakistan doesnot use Beidou for communication ?

Because military communication uses frequency bands in Hz max in 1-2 KHz and for better relay, in few MHz and even lower so that radio silence is partially maintained for naval usage submarines, otherwise source of any radio wave would be detected and intercepted. hence a Satellite plays the major role for this. There is no facility in Pakistan for this for generating such waves, so they commonly use VHF UHF, which are interceptable at sea.

Secondly the satellite communication is used for long distances, like from Brigade (Mobile backbone nodes) on field or fleet at sea to GHQ in Islamabad only for voice comm. only. Chinese would not want Pakistan to use their tech for this purpose, due to possible Indian, Russian or US , middle man type of attack on their satellite in case of war. That will breach chinese security network also.

 

[Supply&Demand]

Because military communication uses frequency bands in Hz max in 1-2 KHz and for better relay, in few MHz and even lower so that radio silence is partially maintained for naval usage submarines, otherwise source of any radio wave would be detected and intercepted. hence a Satellite plays the major role for this. There is no facility in Pakistan for this for generating such waves, so they commonly use VHF UHF, which are interceptable at sea

Just an offtopic comment: For the last few days, i have been hearing the word 'Roast' a lot online. Now seeing u take the illogical, trollish and frankly stupid comments made by Pakistanis in the last few pages and then dismantling them one by one is what i call a ROAST...maan gaye sirjee....!!!!!

 

[Screambowl]

just their wishful thinking and assumption, and pakistani must tell Mr screambowl what it have

I am completely and so does your military is aware.

Most of the HF, VHF and UHF tactical radios were initially designed for voice communication. The data channel was added to support peer to peer data communication. The incorporation of integrated voice and data communication resulted large communication overhead and low bit rates. The networking applications running on bandwidth constrained radios must require low data rates. Typical applications include situational awareness and short message payload service. The situational awareness requires low data rates and is relatively latency tolerant. The situational awareness messages are sent on a regular interval, therefore reliable delivery is not mandatory. In tactical network, nodes in a cluster form local MANETs and multicast their current positions and its area of responsibility information in a smaller group and MBN sends this information to the central command and control center. Predefined messages, symbols and missions are sent to different groups through short message service.
Since Pakistan does not have this technology to create low frequency waves, the data relay is even slower than VLFW (very low frequency wave)

So after Pak military encodes the data and patch it to their carrier wave that is VHF or UHF frequency, India is also capable to intercept it and most importantly decode it , as we have got better research centres in India, which can use some good mathematics , and power analysis to know what has been encoded.

 

[shaheenmissile]

Because military communication uses frequency bands in Hz max in 1-2 KHz and for better relay, in few MHz and even lower so that radio silence is partially maintained for naval usage submarines, otherwise source of any radio wave would be detected and intercepted. hence a Satellite plays the major role for this. There is no facility in Pakistan for this for generating such waves, so they commonly use VHF UHF, which are interceptable at sea.

Secondly the satellite communication is used for long distances, like from Brigade (Mobile backbone nodes) on field or fleet at sea to GHQ in Islamabad only for voice comm. only. Chinese would not want Pakistan to use their tech for this purpose, due to possible Indian, Russian or US , middle man type of attack on their satellite in case of war. That will breach chinese security network also.

Pakistan does not have satellites but have "relay drones" and ground based relay vehicles.
In case of war,these behve as telphone exchange to facilitate secure coms.

 

[Screambowl]

Pakistan does not have satellites but have "relay drones" and ground based relay vehicles.
In case of war,these behve as telphone exchange to facilitate secure coms.

Pakistan does use PakSat 1 but it's on old platform outdated one. Not matching the current needs.

I already mentioned that, but drones become sitting duck when used for communication purposes. Because, the frequency they operate in are UHF, or CDMA

 

[AMCA]

First tell me how many Phalcon systems IN have? and if any they have, on which carrier based air craft they are mounted on?? IN is looking for Hawk Eye for their carrier based AWACS immediate solutions and all other systems which are with IAF are all land based. Means all air crafts fly from land based bases, please extend knowledge base.

Not denying Indian Navy does not have Phalcon System but Indian Air force has it ready to deploy. It should not come to you as a surprise that it can refuel mid air and that it does not need to fly over the hostile area to provide support. Our Armed forces are moving towards 21st century warfare and effective Interoperability is its crisp.

 

[A.Rafay]

Routine answer to India. Looks like Nasr was not ready.

 

[Gryphon]

Pakistan test-fires Hatf 8 cruise missile

Doug Richardson, London - IHS Jane's Missiles & Rockets

03 February 2015

Pakistan conducted a successful flight test of its indigenously developed Hatf 8 (Ra'ad) air-launched cruise missile on 2 February. The launch was witnessed by Lieutenant General Zubair Mahmood Hayat, the director general of the Pakistan Army's Strategic Plans Division. He described the test as "a major step towards strengthening Pakistan's full spectrum credible minimum deterrence capability".

No details of the trial have been released by Pakistan's Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).

The Pakistan military have described the Hatf 8 as being a "low-altitude, terrain-hugging missile with high manoeuvrability", and able to deliver nuclear or conventional warheads with high accuracy. They also credited it with having "stealth capabilities".

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Pakistan test-fires Hatf 8 cruise missile - IHS Jane's 360









Pakistan tests Ra'ad ALCM

Rahul Udoshi, Bangalore and James Hardy, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

02 February 2015

Pakistan test-fired its Ra'ad (Haatf 8) air-launched cruise missile (ALCM) on 2 February, according to an Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) statement. Source: ISPR

Pakistan successfully tested what it described as the "indigenously developed" Ra'ad air-launched cruise missile (ALCM) on 2 February, according to an Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) statement.

The 4.85 m-long, nuclear-capable Ra'ad was launched from an undisclosed air platform and was the fifth successful test firing to be announced. All previous tests, the most recent of which was on 31 May 2012, were conducted using an upgraded Dassault Mirage III ROSE aircraft.

The 350 km-range missile enables Pakistan to achieve "strategic standoff capability" on land and at sea, the Pakistan Army said.

Lieutenant General Zubair Mahmood Hayat, director general of the Strategic Plans Division, described it as a major step towards strengthening Pakistan's full spectrum credible minimum deterrence. This is aimed at achieving strategic stability in the region, he added.

The test took place two days after India tested a canister-based version of its nuclear-capable Agni 5 missile, which has a range of 5,000 km.

COMMENT
IHS Jane's Air Launched Weapons describes the Ra'ad (also known as the Hatf 8 or Hatf VIII) as "part of Pakistan's wide-reaching strategic missile development programme that includes short-, medium-, and intermediate-range ballistic missiles and ground-launched cruise missiles".

Air Launched Weapons also notes that the Ra'ad bears a resemblance to several proposed South African stand-off weapon projects such as MUPSOW and Torgos, and that Pakistan and South Africa have previously worked together in advanced weapons development. "Kentron (now Denel) has already supplied its Raptor powered glide bomb to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and the extension of that relationship to include more advanced weapons would seem to be a logical step," it notes.

The first Ra'ad test launch was announced on 25 August 2007. It was conducted over the Rawalpindi test range. Pakistan television footage showed the missile under a Mirage IIIEA ROSE-1 during take-off and in flight. Missile release and engine start were shown, followed by in-flight filming of the missile. It is not known if this test represented the first flight of the weapon, or was simply a point in an ongoing test programme. A second launch was reported in May 2008, a third in April 2011, and the fourth in May 2012.

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Pakistan tests Ra'ad ALCM - IHS Jane's 360






Pakistan Tests Cruise Missile

By Usman Ansari
February 3, 2015

A Pakistani nuclear-capable Ra'ad cruise missile is launched from a jet fighter during a test firing.(Photo: AFP via Inter Services Public Relations)

ISLAMABAD — Monday's test of the Ra'ad air-launched cruise missile may have been designed to check the effectiveness of an upgrade, according to analysts.

The test was announced in a press release by the military's media arm, Inter Services Public Relations. It provided few details, only saying, "Pakistan conducted a successful Flight Test of the indigenously developed Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM) Ra'ad."

This test means the Hatf/Vengeance VIII Ra'ad (Thunder) has now been officially tested five times since 2007. It is generally comparable to the Anglo/French Storm Shadow or US AGM-158 joint air-to-surface standoff missile, but exact specifications are not available.

Analyst, author and former Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail said, "The test firing was a typical combo of a technical upgrade timed with political signaling, something that both India and Pakistan have turned into an art form."

Mansoor Ahmed, lecturer in the Department of Defence and Strategic Studies at Islamabad's Quaid-e-Azam University, who specializes in Pakistan's nuclear program and its delivery systems, said the test was not in answer to India's test-firing of its Agni V intermediate range ballistic missile.

The Agni V was test fired on Saturday.

"I am not sure if this is a tit-for-tat response," he said. "The fact that it is a 350 kilometer vs. a 5,000-8,000 kilometer test reflects Pakistan's emphasis on credible minimum deterrence with only an India-centric posture, while India is clearly moving far beyond the requirements of a minimum deterrent driven by global power projection ambitions."

Instead, he believes the test was part of ongoing efforts on "improving the effectiveness and validating the enhanced operational parameters of existing delivery systems that comprise the country's nascent triad."

He added, "Ra'ad and the land and sea versions of the Babur cruise missiles offer diversification in targeting options, greater operational and deployable flexibility and increase the overall survivability of its deterrent force."

He says the two cruise missiles are especially important for Pakistan's nascent "posture of full spectrum deterrence with added emphasis on counter-value targeting to offset India's strategic and conventional force modernization," which are integral aspects of India's "emerging proactive operations strategy."

Ra'ad is claimed to be operational, but is such a critical weapon it is still somewhat cloaked in secrecy.

Ahmed, however, said Ra'ad may have "finally matured as an operational and deployable system," but "this might also be a batch test coupled with the possible completion/accomplishment of required miniaturization of suitable warheads for this system. Hence this test."

He believes that aside from technical improvements, the timing is significant in terms of its non-conventional strike capabilities.

"Range remains the same; the only thing that might have improved is accuracy, guidance and control parameters, etc. Also this test comes at a time when plutonium production for miniaturized warheads is meeting the operational requirements, with the commissioning of the fourth production reactor at Khushab," he said.

Despite being described as a conventional and non-conventional weapon, analysts like Tufail are unconvinced Ra'ad can effectively be employed by Pakistan in the conventional role.

"Platforms like the Ra'ad have limited use as conventional weapons launching platforms, because a payload of 450-kilograms [at best] can do little harm unless launched in a shower of a few score, something that would be outrageously costly," he said.

"Glide bombs are an economical choice for stand-off delivery of conventional weapons," he added.

Indeed, Pakistan does seem to have made further steps in this regard and showcased the latest of its glide bombs, the Global Industrial Defence Solutions' 'Takbir', at December's IDEAS2014 defense exhibition.

The Ra'ad has been tested on the Mirage III strike aircraft, but it is unknown if it has been integrated onto Pakistan's F-16s.

Tufail said it is more likely the JF-17 will be the next delivery platform.

Pakistan Tests Cruise Missile - Defense News

 

[shaheenmissile]

Pakistan does use PakSat 1 but it's on old platform outdated one. Not matching the current needs.

I already mentioned that, but drones become sitting duck when used for communication purposes. Because, the frequency they operate in are UHF, or CDMA

In a war everything is a target and nothing is invincible. You are trying to imply that Indian assets are invincible which is wrong.

 

[ni8mare]

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Routine answer to India. Looks like Nasr was not ready.

stock khatam hoye giya.......

 

[Screambowl]

In a war everything is a target and nothing is invincible. You are trying to imply that Indian assets are invincible which is wrong.

No i am trying to imply that indian reaction time is quicker and india will have advantage over pakistan in dealing with any pakistani adventure at sea. I am no where saing, india will have no threat, but india will have lots of info about its target