PAKISTAN, SOUTH KOREA SIGN MAJOR DEFENCE COOPERATION AGREEMENT

[crankthatskunk]

Can you do anything?
No
Zip
Nada
Best to go to ponce city market and relax


By that time the food shortage will hit and true misery will begin. No one will care for Jalsas or election’s anymore

Anyway,
Lets focus on what SK would be providing

I am sad to see you standing for such policy. Pakistanis deserve what they are getting, I have not seen worst misguided people than Pakistanis. Long live traitors, who harm their own country for fistfull of dollars.

 

[CrazyZ]

ROK is trying what USA usually does, sell arms to both nations (Ind-Pak), win-win for everyone. Needs of both nations are satisfied.

Some folks are reading too much into this.

 

[PakFactor]

The only way that can happen is if Pakistan disarmed itself entirely meaning only saving AK47s and light arms and nuking itself during a civil war leading to it's population becoming half of it's current situation or perhaps even a separated pakistan into 4 smaller countries etc etc but not the current formation of Pakistan and with this military strength.. Other then that they ain't punching thru Pakistan's armed forces and defensive front in this treacherous landscapes... It is a fore gone conclusion

I am not being biased or anything.. Pakistan has to start to tear itself apart in order for India to have such a probability outcome but they can't with current Pakistan

I edited my post.

It would help if you thought deeper; Jazba isn't going to win you wars and never has in the past.

Some folks are reading too much into this.

Could be.

 

[Battlion25]

I edited my post.

It would help if you thought deeper; Jazba isn't going to win you wars and never has in the past.

It has nothing to do with Jazba.. Just telling you how it is conventionally. Pakistan has to first tear itself up for such a conventional probability outcome.. Conventional engagements aren't exactly based on cartoon narratives and that is just not how it works..

Most of the analysis you see today in any conventional probabilities it is based on illusions nowadays you rarely see experts 2 cents on it because 99% of it is just from hyperbolic journalists.. Example even in Ukraine the case was the same in early Febuary... Oh there will be regime change yada yada.. Someone has to step out of hyperbole or illusions but see it from more pragmatic point of view and logistical purely

 

[CrazyZ]

Could be.

Kashmir/Indo-Pak conflict is irrelevant to ROK. ROK is a huge natural gas importer. Pakistan has grown in importance to Asia as it can unlock Turkmen and Central Asian energy resources.....Even Russian.

Pakistan does not need a defense deals with ROK.....it needs investors for LNG plants and pipelines. Our foreign policy has to look past F-16s and defense deals.

 

[arslank03]

ROK is trying what USA usually does, sell arms to both nations (Ind-Pak), win-win for everyone. Needs of both nations are satisfied.

funniest example is Europe. MBDA UK market CAMM to Indian Navy, MBDA Italy market CAMM to Pakistan navy

I never thought I would see you admitting Kashmir is a lost cause. This conversation should have been started right after 9/11; unfettered US intervention within Pakistan's internal policy-making and foreign affairs has neutered Pakistan.

It's total negligence with no long-term thinking.

Kashmir will always be a lost cause, the BEST plan was musharrafs, we need something similar and to move on, otherwise this proxy game harms us more and will leave us lagging while India accelerates in development and economic growth. We need to just settle now, not Pakistan nor India will win in an offensive land grab, so its literally a lost cause

 

[Sayfullah]

@SQ8 @MastanKhan

New theory.

1. Pakistan gives up on Kashmir.
2. Pakistan stops collaborating with China.
3. The U.S. encourages South Korea, Turkey, etc, to sell Pakistan arms.
4. Pakistan re-orients focus towards Afghanistan and Iran.

It's starting to look like that's where Washington wants to steer things.

I have a theory related to yours.

1. Pakistan let’s TTP back in on purpose
2. Pakistan let’s TTP control FATA on purpose
3. TTP allows foreign militants in especially Uyghur’s
4. Waziristan once again becomes a base for Uyghur militants who attack Chinese interests in the region
5. Afghanistan and Pakistan’s tribal areas used as a base for Uyghur’s against China supported by USA and west

 

[arslank03]

Can you do anything?
No
Zip
Nada
Best to go to ponce city market and relax


By that time the food shortage will hit and true misery will begin. No one will care for Jalsas or election’s anymore

Anyway,
Lets focus on what SK would be providing

my best guess is artillery and land vehicles, SK could assist us in the development or upgrade of our local FCS for mass rollut on the HIT TA, or we could look towards calling upon SK help for AK2 etc

 

[FuturePAF]

@SQ8 @MastanKhan

New theory.

1. Pakistan gives up on Kashmir.
2. Pakistan stops collaborating with China.
3. The U.S. encourages South Korea, Turkey, etc, to sell Pakistan arms.
4. Pakistan re-orients focus towards Afghanistan and Iran.

It's starting to look like that's where Washington wants to steer things.

Yes it does seem like this is what the west wants Pakistan to do. India being tied down facing Pakistan makes them less capable to counter China. Unless China wants to see this shift in Pakistan, they will have to support Pakistan’s economic autonomy or else face the possibility Pakistan firmly goes back into the western camp, when it was trying to balance the two camps.

 

[Sayfullah]

Iran isn’t being tackled alone, the GCC bloc is happy to help.

Resurgence of Jaish ul Adl or Jundallah?
With TTP’s resurgence, us shifting focus on AFG and Iran and GCC helping, I’m sure they would create proxy war against Iran using Pakistan as a base.

 

[FuturePAF]

I have a theory related to yours.

1. Pakistan let’s TTP back in on purpose
2. Pakistan let’s TTP control FATA on purpose
3. TTP allows foreign militants in especially Uyghur’s
4. Waziristan once again becomes a base for Uyghur militants who attack Chinese interests in the region
5. Afghanistan and Pakistan’s tribal areas used as a base for Uyghur’s against China supported by USA and west

That seems too far fetched. I could see Anti-Iranian groups in Baluchistan, but not blatantly anti-Chinese groups on Pakistani territory. Even Afghanistan won’t permit Uyghurs from operating in their territory.

An anti-Iran effort of encirclement with the support of the GCC and West would be a more plausible option, and one that doesn’t hurt Pakistan’s relations with China. The cyclical nature of the relations with the west make a break from China highly unlikely. Therefore, they would suggest Pakistan look northwest (to Central Asia) as Russian power diminishes and partner with Nato nation Turkey to gain resources and influence, while looking west to the GCC and West to rebuild its economy, rather then look East to maintaining opposition to Indian actions and looking East to supporting China.

 

[Sayfullah]

but not blatantly anti-Chinese groups on Pakistani territory.

They (ETIM and TIP) were already based out of waziristan for a long time when TTP controlled it.

Even Afghanistan won’t permit Uyghurs from operating in their territory.

TIP already operates in AFG and fought alongside Taliban for the past 20 years. Their leaders are there.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1552632619313119232

An anti-Iran effort of encirclement with the support of the GCC and West would be a more plausible option, and one that doesn’t hurt Pakistan’s relations with China. The cyclical nature of the relations with the west make a break from China highly unlikely. Therefore, they would suggest Pakistan look northwest (to Central Asia) as Russian power diminishes and partner with Nato nation Turkey to gain resources and influence, while looking west to the GCC and West to rebuild its economy, rather then look East to maintaining opposition to Indian actions and looking East to supporting China.

I think USA would want to use Uyghur’s against China in their China containment policy. Best places for this is Afghanistan or Pakistan. Pakistan is better for this then Afghanistan is.

 

[Arsalan345]

This isn't a random shift. There are things that Pakistan can't stop like saying yes to both China and the United States. We are dealing with the United States for a very long time. War in Ukraine has opened our eyes. CPEC, Gwadar, Chinese military in Gwadar, etc, Pakistan can't be a reason for war between China and America and Pakistan needs more western cooperation. The willingness of Americans can allow us to open closed doors. We can be friends with other nations as well and they can also cooperate with us.

Taliban backing TTP is a cause of concern for many. I can see more and more cooperation between us and the united states. There are things that the United States wants Pakistan to do. The first is to deny any Chinese military buildup on Gwadar. Chinese intention is not to develop Pakistan but to develop alternative routes like Gwadar. Many in Pakistan think about the ongoing situation in Ukraine and the deteriorating relations between the Chinese and Americans. I mean Pakistan should never allow anyone to use our ports. This is one important point.

Another point is the problem that Pakistan is facing from India and Afghanistan. Pakistan can't handle both of these countries without American help. I believe Pakistan coming back to the United States camp is much better than staying in the Chinese camp. Chinese camp is unpredictable. We have seen CPEC. We have seen our economy near destruction. We can't become the next Sri Lanka. A shift in priorities is necessary.
Using Chinese weapons is great but we must stay away from big powers games. We are naturally more aligned with the United States than the Chinese. United states can transfer technology. It can persuade other countries to cooperate with us and it can stop India from taking any action against Pakistan.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I never thought I would see you admitting Kashmir is a lost cause. This conversation should have been started right after 9/11; unfettered US intervention within Pakistan's internal policy-making and foreign affairs has neutered Pakistan.

It's total negligence with no long-term thinking.

I don't think Kashmir is a lost cause.

Rather, our leaders think Kashmir -- and Pakistan as a whole -- is a lost cause.

I'm not talking about superficial slogans (those will continue), but action.

Do our top leaders really have their fates tied to Pakistan? No. So, I don't expect them to have Kashmir in their hearts either.

That said, the capitulation will happen (if it hasn't already) behind closed doors. However, on the surface, Pakistan will continue sounding off on Kashmir in the U.N and OIC. But the proxy stuff will end (if it hasn't already). The material intent to take any land will erode (if it hasn't already). The bulk of the military's practical focus will shift toward Afghanistan, Iran, and Somalia.

 

[imadul]

Again, no value to the actual topic and hot air rhetoric assuming that somehow I disagree with the leadership conundrum…and if you want to copy paste it in the remaining 230 active threads it is your right but that just puts you on the ignore list of three sentence fish market mongers

Need to see the bigger picture.
Shiny toys are useless. Just psychedelics for child like minds.