Pakistan single engine aircraft doctrine rules

[MastanKhan]

Sir what happened on the 26th and 27th cannot be called a war....at most it can be defined as a skirmish...so technically @araz was right

Hi,

It was just a skirmish---and the Paf exposed too much of its capability to look important and powerful---.

The real test of Paf was the night of 26th---the first time when the enemy was coming it---.

Intercepting and taking out the enemy would have showed how the Paf was ready on its FEET---.

Remember---the indians had already threatened to strike---there was no surprise in the 26th attack---.

That is where the Paf failed itself and the nation---. It had not done its homework---was not ready and prepared to take on the enemy at a moments notice and strike at it---.

What happened on the 27th was more of a show---.

It made people happy---it made the weapons manufacturer happy---.

 

[SABRE]

even F16 also single engine jet, although General Electric F110-GE-129 produce more thrust.

What I meant was that it is not right to rationalize the importance of a single-engine jet, or downplay that of a twin-engine jet, based on the fact that F-35 operates on a single-engine. There is no comparison between the F135 engine that powers F-35 & F-100 or F-110 series engines that power F-16, F-15, and the retired F-14. F135 generates more or less twice the power/thrust then these previous generation engines.

 

[MIRauf]

I thought with all recent revelations that IAF never crossed LOC, it launched sow from their own side and thus making it extremely hard to be fired upon.

Are we sure that PAF exposed too much or all of it on the 27th ? or just a fraction of its capabilities ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Convince Russia to allow AL31 engine to Pakistan. Engine is name of the game. Right now best engine in the market. All SU30 are fitted with AL31 . Even PAK-FA.

even F16 also single engine jet, although General Electric F110-GE-129 produce more thrust.

there is two engine option available for F-16 P &W F-100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_&_Whitney_F100
and latest version of P & W F-100 PW 229 has almost same thrust of F-110-GE-129
only specially designed GE-132 has more thrust for UAE F-16 block-60
The United Arab Emirates’ Block 60 is powered by the General Electric F110-GE-132 turbofan, which is rated at a maximum thrust of 32,500 lbf (144.6 kN), the most powerful variant of General Electric F110 engine.
@Umar Nazir

 

[NA71]

Hi,

It was just a skirmish---and the Paf exposed too much of its capability to look important and powerful---.

The real test of Paf was the night of 26th---the first time when the enemy was coming it---.

Intercepting and taking out the enemy would have showed how the Paf was ready on its FEET---.

Remember---the indians had already threatened to strike---there was no surprise in the 26th attack---.

That is where the Paf failed itself and the nation---. It had not done its homework---was not ready and prepared to take on the enemy at a moments notice and strike at it---.

What happened on the 27th was more of a show---.

It made people happy---it made the weapons manufacturer happy---.

The real summary ...We have enough celebration for 27/2 on multiple threads. Lets just go back and analyzed 26/2 night without wearing the lens of nationalism

 

[Humble Analyst]

wrong they will be dissapear in 5 years 6 sqns remains with mirages and as its going on sqn will even destroy in crashes .PAF loonign badly to replace f7p and mirages with thunders


they are dangerous for our pilots so many lives they took in recent years . some are 50 years old . PAF is not that much crazy to keep them flying . in 5 years some 15 will crash

There is a reason Mirages are still flying in PAF and their replacement planes are needed. JF 17 is not the full replacement and stealth is at least a decade away. So what will be the stop gap?

 

[Imran Khan]

There is a reason Mirages are still flying in PAF and their replacement planes are needed. JF 17 is not the full replacement and stealth is at least a decade away. So what will be the stop gap?

just relax and wait will be stop gap

 

[CHACHA"G"]

There is a reason Mirages are still flying in PAF and their replacement planes are needed. JF 17 is not the full replacement and stealth is at least a decade away. So what will be the stop gap?

I don't agree with this "Stop Gap" theory on first place …….. PAF need one more new 4++ Gen bird in medium category as bad as some people need oxygen ………
Now if we look at PAF love with single engine the that new bird might be single engine , and if we look at Delta wing shape and what delta can do , then that new bird might have delta wing shape …… Million $$ question is Are PAF will build her own bird ( changes in JF-17 airframe to make it delta) or , Are PAF will buy J-10C(P)…….
Only time will tell...…….
Our 5th gen is 10 years away , and we need one more jet with JF-17 so there is no stop gap but actual need for proper new jet.....

 

[untitled]

Lets just go back and analyzed 26/2 night without wearing the lens of nationalism

IAF had a history of making minor airspace violations inside Pakistan and completely denying them when Pakistan raised the issue with them. Pakistan was willing to play along as long as they limited themselves to such acts. But this time they dared to drop bombs on Pakistani soil. PAF had no choice but to respond in kind.

With the events of 26th hopefully this "courtesy" of probing our airspace is gone forever. Any similar attempt by the IAF and the intruding aircraft can expect a missile headed his way

 

[NA71]

IAF had a history of making minor airspace violations inside Pakistan and completely denying them when Pakistan raised the issue with them. Pakistan was willing to play along as long as they limited themselves to such acts. But this time they dared to drop bombs on Pakistani soil. PAF had no choice but to respond in kind.

With the events of 26th hopefully this "courtesy" of probing our airspace is gone forever. Any similar attempt by the IAF and the intruding aircraft can expect a missile headed his way

Look at this piece ....remove all the shit in this article but still few points left for consideration

Post-Balakot, Pakistan scrambled jets from 8 bases. Was 10 minutes late: IAF report

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-iaf-report/story-CnLI5zV00AhSx5H16uIfNK.html

 

[untitled]

Look at this piece ....remove all the shit in this article but still few points left for consideration

Post-Balakot, Pakistan scrambled jets from 8 bases. Was 10 minutes late: IAF report

It is all for local consumption. If PAF had not responded this article would have provided more material for their propaganda

 

[Humble Analyst]

Sir what happened on the 26th and 27th cannot be called a war....at most it can be defined as a skirmish...so technically @araz was right

I don't agree with this "Stop Gap" theory on first place …….. PAF need one more new 4++ Gen bird in medium category as bad as some people need oxygen ………
Now if we look at PAF love with single engine the that new bird might be single engine , and if we look at Delta wing shape and what delta can do , then that new bird might have delta wing shape …… Million $$ question is Are PAF will build her own bird ( changes in JF-17 airframe to make it delta) or , Are PAF will buy J-10C(P)…….
Only time will tell...…….
Our 5th gen is 10 years away , and we need one more jet with JF-17 so there is no stop gap but actual need for proper new jet.....

call it need or stop gap the result is same

 

[Signalian]

It would have been logical to go step by step in determining the best twin engine aircraft out there for PAF, starting from internal fuel capacity.

By the way, twin engine doesn't always mean that it can meaningfully go the distance compared to a single engine aircraft. Yes, twin engines do go further, but there has to be deciding factor which aircraft is most suitable considering PAF acquisition.

 

[Mrc]

The real summary ...We have enough celebration for 27/2 on multiple threads. Lets just go back and analyzed 26/2 night without wearing the lens of nationalism

So basically u fight on your own terms and not on enemies...

On 26 you manage to scare a large formation of enemy bomber 12 plus 8 escorts that they abandoned their target (which was a soft un protected target).. Only one bomber took a shot (4 bombs) unsuccessfully...
GPS / TV guided smart bomb missing means complete paralysis in cockpit and dumping of bombs and no proper targeting or it won't miss... Simple

U managed to do so without walking into trap (8 escorts) and without sustaining a loss...

Thats a brilliant result...


U don't run down enemies formed and figured formations... U wil b cut down...
So 26 was a completely successful defensive op... Enemy failed objective u did not sustain loss on air or ground...

U can see what happened on 27th when same equation was reversed...

U achieved targets... Enemy sustained losses in air and ground and shot down own heli in shere panic

 

[batmannow]

Hi,

It was just a skirmish---and the Paf exposed too much of its capability to look important and powerful---.

The real test of Paf was the night of 26th---the first time when the enemy was coming it---.

Intercepting and taking out the enemy would have showed how the Paf was ready on its FEET---.

Remember---the indians had already threatened to strike---there was no surprise in the 26th attack---.

That is where the Paf failed itself and the nation---. It had not done its homework---was not ready and prepared to take on the enemy at a moments notice and strike at it---.

What happened on the 27th was more of a show---.

It made people happy---it made the weapons manufacturer happy---.

It was a political decesion, PAF had full knowledge of the boogies on the night of 26th, and were ordered to let these boggies go along with a stupid target drill, it all was told by American ambasdor in PAK and some pentagon stupids they thought it will let modi satisfy his ppls and will benefit to his election victory which all will let more high orders of American weapons in future by India let's say F21s?
PAF and pakistani generals put a plan, to let India do those strikes while watching it carefully if that strike goes where its been told then won't be stopping it if not, then anywhere else thy would hve shot down it?
But on 27th morning, pakistani genral played a master stroke by hitting inside india and near to its military establishment?
That strike was never told to Indians or Americans and thus, it brought back the game to pakistan hands and really hurt Indian political scene, and that's why trump came in and stopped further escalation cause he knew it went wrong misserbly but that all not means that every thing is alright, in then end PAF has to chose a twin engine long range fighter jet be it, SU 35, or MIG 35 or some Chinese J31 cause the F16S r only good untill IAF not have the RAFEALs but when it happens PAF needs a answer for that?