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Pakistan Should Ignore "Washington Consensus" in India Trade

all you talk about pakistan's economy is not what we see in reality...reality is that pakistan with its high obsession with India ruined everything that was nice inside her own territory...even though you claim that india is obsessed with pakistan...India focuses more on other issues like polio and aids which is proving to be fruitful now...only suggestion to pakistan would be focus on your own regions and first and foremost focus on issues like polio and AIDS..

Talking about who's obsessed with whom, just look at any online discussion forum about Pakistan and you'll see it inundated by Indians. Even Pakistani newspapers like Express Tribune end up with 80-90% mostly derogatory comments by Indians about Pakistan and Pakistanis.

Are you aware of the WHO data that shows Indians suffer much heavier disease burdens than Pakistanis?

In the range of DALYs/1000 capita from 13 (lowest) to 289 (highest), WHO's latest data indicates that India is at 65 while Pakistan is slightly better at 58. In terms of total number of deaths per year from disease, India stands at 2.7 million deaths while Pakistani death toll is 318, 400 people. Among other South Asian nations, Afghanistan's DALYs/1000 is 255, Bangladesh 64 and Sri Lanka 61. By contrast, the DALYs/1000 figures are 14 for Singapore and 32 for China.Looking at the situation in South Asia, it appears from the WHO data that Pakistan is doing a bit better than India in 12 out of 14 disease groups ranging from diarrhea to heart disease to intentional injuries, and it is equal for the remaining two (Malaria and Asthma).

Haq's Musings: Indians and Pakistanis Suffer Heavy Disease Burdens
 
I appreciate your views that in the Long Run Pakistan Industry will benefit.

However, the way Chinese Free Trade Imports have led to over Thirty Pakistani Industries having gone up the creek without a paddle. They are closed – wiped out.

Pakistani Industrialists can only take that much. The closures due to Free Trade with India will break the Camel’s back.

I hope and pray that you will be right.

Consequences if you are wrong? Horrendous!

Remember that China and India with over a Billion Consumers each will be an extremely hard nut to crack. May be if Pakistani industry has a Ten Year Period of “protection” then it is possible that it will compete with China and India but with the present state of affairs it is highly doubtful.

Any case - All the best

What 30 industries are you talking about? most of Pakistani industry is being hurt cause of security situation energy shortages And Smuggling.

A lot of goods being smuggled into Pakistan via Sri Lanka DUBAI and Afghanistan are made in India and the only people benefiting right now are the smugglers + corrupt officials so how come same thing coming into Pakistan legally going to hurt the industry when its already here.
 
Protectionist measures are advisable for nations that already incorporate a proven domestic industrial base that can ensure supply without shooting consumer costs through the roof.Is Pakistan self sufficient in that aspect? If so then by all means,tax the pants off every foreign shipment entering your soil.

Apparently, you are unaware of India's history of shoddy high-priced products that Indian consumers were forced to live with while Indian industry was protected until 1990s.

In fact, India is still very protectionist as evident from the recent cotton export ban to help its domestic textile sector, or the ban on American poultry since 2007.

And Indian industry is still not competitive vis-a-vis the Chinese as obvious from lopsided India-China trade.

Haq's Musings: Soaring Chinese Imports and Twin Deficits Worry India
 
What 30 industries are you talking about? most of Pakistani industry is being hurt cause of security situation energy shortages And Smuggling.

A lot of goods being smuggled into Pakistan via Sri Lanka DUBAI and Afghanistan are made in India and the only people benefiting right now are the smugglers + corrupt officials so how come same thing coming into Pakistan legally going to hurt the industry when its already here.

Over the last Ten Years there have been umpteen Articles in the Pakistani Print Media.

Here is the latest :

Pol Eco, NOS, The News International

Dumping ground

Will our exporters gain anything from the $35bn Pak-China trade deals?

By Shahzada Irfan Ahmed

The recent visit of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao to Pakistan and signing of economic deals worth $35 billion are being widely discussed at different forums. The deals include 17 agreements and four memorandums of understanding (MoUs). There is also an agreement between a Chinese company and the Alternative Energy Development Board (AEDB) of Pakistan for setting up wind power and solar energy projects in the country.

The figure seems highly appealing to the eye but in press reports there is hardly a mention of the respective share of both the countries in this trade. An analysis of mutual trade statistics reveals that since the signing of Free Trade Agreement (FTA) between the two countries in Nov 2006, China has exported goods worth around $ 11 billion whereas Pakistan’s exports could hardly reach $ 0.25 billion.

Another misbalance in this respect is that Pakistan imports about 1,000 items from China while the latter’s export-basket is limited to hardly 50 items. Pakistan exports items like seafood, cotton yarn, leather, marble, fruits, sports goods, rice, raw hides and vegetables. On the other hand, China exports almost every thing available under the sun to Pakistan and that also at very low prices. Mass availability of these goods at low rates has pushed local industry out of competition.

Pakistan’s local industry alleges that the absence of government patronage and lack of supporting infrastructure, like energy, water, roads, has spurred import of cheap Chinese goods into Pakistan. Industrialists say China dumps a lot of goods into Pakistan but no action is taken for various reasons. The biggest of these is that Pakistan does not want to take even a symbolic step that harms friendly relations between the two, they add.

Complaints about dumping have to be filed with the World Trade Organisation (WTO) which inquires into them. "Dumping means export of goods by a country at prices lower than those at which these goods are being sold in the exporting country’s local market," says Tahir Fayyaz, a garment importer based in Karachi. He says such countries manufacture products in excess of their local demand to benefit from economies of scale and dispose off the surplus in countries where similar industry is in a stage of infancy or on a decline.

The countries dumping goods in other countries are not worried about the price at which they are exporting them as they earn sufficient revenues from collective sales. Tahir adds that many industrialists have shut down their units and turned to imports. "This is a hassle-free business where you do not have to tackle officials of dozens of departments, as is the case with industry," he says.

The question that arises here is how Pakistan can increase its share in mutual trade and boost its industrial sector’s contribution to exports to China. Critics say Pakistan should not shy away from raising dumping issues with China. However, this is something difficult, keeping in view the dependence of Pakistan on China in almost every field of life, ranging from education, technical assistance and engineering to defence, energy, and what not.

India, on the other hand, has still not signed free trade agreement with China and imposed anti-dumping import duties on yarn, fabric, nylon being imported from China. The country even has a Directorate General of Anti-dumping and Allied Duties (DGAD) which functions under the Commerce Ministry. The fact that India has filed a record number of anti-dumping cases against China at the World Trade Organization (WTO) also explains how protectionist the former is of its industry.

According to the WTO, a company can be charged with dumping if it exports a product at a price lower than what it normally charges in its own home market or if the import volume grows to an extent that leaves domestic manufacturers at a disadvantage.

Pakistan’s local industries have launched reports that call for taking up of this matter with WTO but so far nothing concrete has been done. For example, a report prepared by the Lahore Chamber of Commerce and Industry (LCCI) reveals that due to the dumping of China clay crockery from China, the pottery industry of Pakistan has disappeared from centers like Gujranwala and Gujrat.

The report says out of a total of five units, four have closed their commercial operations. These are Prey China, Dada Bhoy, Pakpur, and Regal China while the last one -- Lone China -- is on the verge of collapse. It adds the price of imported Chinese crockery has gone down drastically during the last one year, despite the fact that there has been no significant change in the cost of inputs.

Another major objection of Pakistani industrialists is that the system of export refinancing by the Chinese government falls under the definition of dumping under the World Trade Organisation (WTO) regime. Their claim is that Chinese exporters, who secure orders from foreign buyers, are given interest free loans equivalent to the amount of export orders. "Besides, different other subsidies like those in freight, etc, put other countries at a disadvantage," they say.

Despite all these contentious issue, there is no denying the fact that China is Pakistan’s major ally when it comes to strategic international alliances in the world. But this must not translate into death of Pakistan’s local industry which gives employment and sustenance to millions of its citizens. In this scenario, Pakistan government must ensure that the matter is taken up with China in a friendly manner and a solution found.
 
Nice article Riaz Bhai....

Pakistan would be far better if we had good & progressive neibours on east just like China....
but unfortunetly we have india which is anti-development & a migrane for regionalpeace & stability.
 
East Asian experience has some important lessons for Pakistan as the country embraces the western prescriptions of democracy and free trade. It's particularly important to recall these lessons now in view Pakistan's decision to open unrestricted trade with India whose major industrialists like Tata and Birla have greatly benefited from protectionist policies to scale up and gain experience.

The East Asian nation of South Korea has become a great model of economic success for the developing world. Back in 1960s, its annual per capita income was around $80, less than half of Ghana's at the time. Today, it stands at $30,000, comparable to that of some wealthy European nations. For most of this period, the people of South Korea have ignored the Washington consensus, the western prescription on economy and politics, to achieve this miraculous progress.

In 1960s and 1970s, Korea was led by military ruler General Park Chung-Hee who put in place the policies which helped Koreans realize their great potential. President Park made huge investment in infrastructure, health and education. In addition, South Korean analyst Ha-Joon Chang says that the Korean government "practiced many policies that are now supposed to be bad for economic development: extensive use of selective industrial policy, combining protectionism with export subsidies; tough regulations on foreign direct investment; active, if not particularly extensive, use of state-owned enterprises; lax protection of patents and other intellectual property rights; heavy regulation of both domestic and international finance."

Pakistan, too, was ruled by a military dictator General Ayub Khan in a period labeled by Pakistani economist Dr. Ishrat Husain as "the Golden Sixties". General Ayub Khan pushed central planning with a state-driven national industrial policy. In fact, South Korea sought to emulate Pakistan's development strategy and copied Pakistan's second "Five-Year Plan".

Here's how Dr. Husain recalls Pakistan of 1960s:

"The manufacturing sector expanded by 9 percent annually and various new industries were set up. Agriculture grew at a respectable rate of 4 percent with the introduction of Green Revolution technology. Governance improved with a major expansion in the government’s capacity for policy analysis, design and implementation, as well as the far-reaching process of institution building. The Pakistani polity evolved from what political scientists called a “soft state” to a “developmental” one that had acquired the semblance of political legitimacy. By 1969, Pakistan’s manufactured exports were higher than the exports of Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia combined. Though speculative, it is possible that, had the economic policies and programs of the Ayub regime continued over the next two decades, Pakistan would have emerged as another miracle economy."

South Korea's Chang has exposed the hypocrisy of the West by explaining that the "G7 was always remarkably reluctant to recommend these (South Korea's) "heterodox" policies and insisted that the "Washington consensus" package of opening up, deregulation and privatization was the right recipe for everyone. When confronted with the Korean case, Washington consensus supporters tried to brush it off as an exception. However, the history of take-offs in most of the G7 countries – especially Britain, the US, Germany, France and Japan – is far closer to the Korean model than is commonly thought. The "unorthodox" policies used by Korea and almost all of today's rich countries need to be seriously considered in any discussion on development options."

Since the great success achieved by South Korea and other Asian Tigers in the latter part of the 20th century, China has become the latest example to have followed the East Asian development model with great results for what is now being dubbed the Asian century. Each of these nations has done it by ignoring the Washington Consensus about democracy, free markets and free trade.

As Pakistan embarks on a new course in trade, it's important for its leadership to recognize the wide gap between the theory and practice of the "Washington Consensus" to effectively safeguard its economy, domestic industries and jobs for Pakistanis to develop and prosper in the 21st century.

Haq's Musings: Should Pakistan Ignore "Washington Consensus"?

Here's how Dr. Husain recalls Pakistan of 1960s:

Wowie!

Here are Figures of Pakistan's Trade Balance in the Period 1961 to 1970. The Trade Balance is NEGATIVE for the full Period i.e. in each of the Ten Years :

http://www.finance.gov.pk/survey/chapters/08-trade.pdf

TABLE 8.4 : EXPORTS, IMPORTS AND TRADE BALANCE

1960-61 : - 343

1961-62 : - 356

1962-63 : - 378

1963-64 : - 400

1964-65 : - 533

1965-66 : - 352

1966-67 : - 489

1967-68 : - 353

1968-69 : - 283

1969-70 : - 352

From the same Table that in the Period 1974 to 1980 ( when it reached Minus US$ 2.375 Billion ) is proof positive that the Major Part of Pakistani "Exports" during the Period 1960-1970 was evidently "Jute from East Pakistan".

I am not interested in your long rants of "Created" Figures so would expect you to digest the above figures to learn about the real position of Pakistani Manufacturing in the 1960s.

One will try to find out about the Exports of Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia in the 1960s as proof that the Manufacturing of West Pakistan (Now Pakistan) at that time was not what is being stated by Pakistani Authorities.
 
What 30 industries are you talking about? most of Pakistani industry is being hurt cause of security situation energy shortages And Smuggling.

A lot of goods being smuggled into Pakistan via Sri Lanka DUBAI and Afghanistan are made in India and the only people benefiting right now are the smugglers + corrupt officials so how come same thing coming into Pakistan legally going to hurt the industry when its already here.

Life after MFN

M Saeed Khalid

Pakistan has decided in principle to complete the process of granting India the Most Favoured Nation status of WTO parlance by the end of this year. India has welcomed this decision as it would be able to sell Pakistan a lot more. And therefore the opponents of this process are back with their polemic, saying that open trade with India threatens Pakistan’s economic security. Even though the anti-trade lobby is losing support, they can argue that the liberalisation of trade with India has far-reaching implications. The government’s gingerly forward and backward steps on this issue over the past few months are sufficient proof that MFN is far bigger than allowing Bollywood into our cinemas and our living rooms. But, seriously, Pakistan cannot delay the process indefinitely without facing multiple consequences.

It is common knowledge that the circuitous trade with India through third countries results in extra costs for the Pakistani consumers. If Pakistan imports the same goods from other producers at higher costs, we as consumers again bear the price differential. A highly restrictive trade regime between Pakistan and India also means that SAFTA cannot really take off, thereby resulting in retardation of moves towards greater economic cooperation between SAARC member-countries. The current levels of trade between South Asian countries leave the subcontinent way behind regional models like Mercosur in South America and Asean, to say nothing of free trade areas like the European Union and Nafta.

In the emerging global trend of lowering the trade barriers, we cannot afford the luxury of shutting our markets without being seen as spoilers. Nor can we indefinitely delay the process of improving relations with India by treating progress in one area as sine qua non for achieving results on other issues. If India could not refuse to talk to Pakistan forever because the terror threat had not disappeared, Pakistan too cannot block the enhancement of trade with India because of a lack of progress in the settlement of the Kashmir dispute.

Pakistan can increase cooperation with India while maintaining its principled position on Kashmir. Pakistan should remain on the Kashmiris’ side. Their long struggle and sacrifices have obliged India to look for a solution. The way forward would be a process in which Pakistan and India engage in purposeful negotiations with the participation of Kashmiri leaders to develop the outline of a durable settlement.

While the Indian officials and business circles are pleased with Pakistan’s decision of extending the MFN status, it is not clear how mindful the Indian side is of the genuine fears in Pakistan about serious damage to our economy from a rapid increase of imports from across the border. As we lower trade barriers, there will be numerous complaints against the dumping of cheaper Indian goods. Our exporters will be exasperated by India’s non-tariff barriers. Therefore, the increase of Indian exports and the absence of corresponding growth of our exports to India would only sour the atmosphere. Is there any point in liberalising trade if that would lead to frustration, rather than bringing the two countries closer? Misgivings notwithstanding, the answer would still be yes, because dismantling trade barriers is the way of the future while keeping the barriers is considered regressive and outdated.

The avalanche of Indian movies in Pakistan or the roaring success of Pakistani singers in India has not helped in changing hearts on the two sides. India still refuses to play cricket with Pakistan for political reasons. The Pakistanis may be taking Bollywood in their stride, but the flooding of Indian goods is going to be a different ballgame. The role of Pakistan’s film industry in the country’s economy cannot be compared with that of the textile, automobile or pharmaceutical industries. We will have to create efficient monitoring systems to ensure that injury to Pakistan’s industries leads to restrictions on cheap imports. Punitive measures will need to be supported by technical dossiers. The complex non-tariff barriers cannot be overcome by the existing bureaucratic structures. The government, the TDAP and our industries will have to hire business experts and lawyers to make sure that our answer to dumping is not only symptomatic but based on hard irrefutable data.

Barring unforeseen developments, from 2013 onwards Pakistan-India trade will be moving in the fast lane. In other words, we would be not only seeing a rapid growth of trade but also experiencing tit-for-tat safeguard measures already being practiced by many other countries and trade blocs of the world. Europe, which saw some of the most horrendous wars in history, became a pioneer in peaceful coexistence and economic integration after World War II. The Europeans are often urging India and Pakistan to follow suit by forging economic links and making South Asia a free trade area. Presently, all this may sound like utopian thinking, but at least a beginning is being made through the opening up of direct trade between South Asia’s two largest yet very disproportionate economies. In order to ensure that we are in a win-win situation, it depends more on the bigger country to provide a level playing field to the smaller partner. If that becomes unachievable, the flurry of trade generated by reciprocal MFN status may soon end up in a trade war of sorts between India and Pakistan.

The writer is a former ambassador to the European Union. Email: saeed.saeedk@gmail.com
 
Here's how Dr. Husain recalls Pakistan of 1960s:

Wowie!

Here are Figures of Pakistan's Trade Balance in the Period 1961 to 1970. The Trade Balance is NEGATIVE for the full Period i.e. in each of the Ten Years :

http://www.finance.gov.pk/survey/chapters/08-trade.pdf

TABLE 8.4 : EXPORTS, IMPORTS AND TRADE BALANCE

1960-61 : - 343

1961-62 : - 356

1962-63 : - 378

1963-64 : - 400

1964-65 : - 533

1965-66 : - 352

1966-67 : - 489

1967-68 : - 353

1968-69 : - 283

1969-70 : - 352

From the same Table that in the Period 1974 to 1980 ( when it reached Minus US$ 2.375 Billion ) is proof positive that the Major Part of Pakistani "Exports" during the Period 1960-1970 was evidently "Jute from East Pakistan".

I am not interested in your long rants of "Created" Figures so would expect you to digest the above figures to learn about the real position of Pakistani Manufacturing in the 1960s.

One will try to find out about the Exports of Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia in the 1960s as proof that the Manufacturing of West Pakistan (Now Pakistan) at that time was not what is being stated by Pakistani Authorities.

In your long rant, I don't see manufactured exports of Pakistan factually compared with those of Malaysia, Indonesia & Thailand.

As to my reference of Dr. Husain's comments re Pakistan's Golden Sixties, here it is:

The Role of Politics in Pakistan's Economy | Journal of International Affairs

The fact is that Pakistan development model was being taught at Harvard Business School in 1960s, and South Koreans actually copied Pakistan's five-year plan during that time.
 
Apparently, you are unaware of India's history of shoddy high-priced products that Indian consumers were forced to live with while Indian industry was protected until 1990s.

In fact, India is still very protectionist as evident from the recent cotton export ban to help its domestic textile sector, or the ban on American poultry since 2007.

And Indian industry is still not competitive vis-a-vis the Chinese as obvious from lopsided India-China trade.

Haq's Musings: Soaring Chinese Imports and Twin Deficits Worry India

That's exactly what I am talking about.Protectionist India wasn't in the benefit for anyone as the domestic industry wasn't upto satisfactory levels.The easing of protectionist measures as well as in reducing the number of regulatory licenses is what led to the entrepreneurship culture in India today.

Who said Indian exports aren't competitive? It pays to look beyond China at times,uncle ji.
 
In your long rant, I don't see manufactured exports of Pakistan factually compared with those of Malaysia, Indonesia & Thailand.

As to my reference of Dr. Husain's comments re Pakistan's Golden Sixties, here it is:

The Role of Politics in Pakistan's Economy | Journal of International Affairs

The fact is that Pakistan development model was being taught at Harvard Business School in 1960s, and South Koreans actually copied Pakistan's five-year plan during that time.

Now! Now!!


In the Pakistani Data : Check the following :

TABLE 8.6 : ECONOMIC CLASSIFICATION OF EXPORTS AND IMPORTS (A. EXPORTS)

The Manufactured Goods also included Manufactured Cotton and Jute Textiles.

The Pakistani Exports were US$ 114 Million in 1960 and US$ 330 Million in 1970 but during the same period the Imports were over Twice the Exports.

Now some pertinent Comparisons :

Pakistan : Population in 1972 65,309,340 and 42,880,378 in 1961

Malaysia : Population in 1970 10.4 Million and 8.14 Million in 1960

Thailand : Population in 1970 34,397,374 and 26,257,916 in 1960

Indonesia : Population in 1970 117,537,000 and 93,996,000 in 1960

Thus the Population of Pakistan as an Average was about SIX Times that of Malaysia and nearly TWICE that of Thailand. Only in the case of Indonesia is the Population Bigger - of course it is Twice that of Pakistan.

If you take the Pakistan comparison to Malaysia then with Six Times the population were the Pakistani Exports Six times that Malaysia? In case of Thailand were the Pakistani Exports Twice that of Thailand?

Do get us the figures and then we can talk of Pakistan’s Golden Age!
 
Now! Now!!


In the Pakistani Data : Check the following :

TABLE 8.6 : ECONOMIC CLASSIFICATION OF EXPORTS AND IMPORTS (A. EXPORTS)

The Manufactured Goods also included Manufactured Cotton and Jute Textiles.

The Pakistani Exports were US$ 114 Million in 1960 and US$ 330 Million in 1970 but during the same period the Imports were over Twice the Exports.

Now some pertinent Comparisons :

Pakistan : Population in 1972 65,309,340 and 42,880,378 in 1961

Malaysia : Population in 1970 10.4 Million and 8.14 Million in 1960

Thailand : Population in 1970 34,397,374 and 26,257,916 in 1960

Indonesia : Population in 1970 117,537,000 and 93,996,000 in 1960

Thus the Population of Pakistan as an Average was about SIX Times that of Malaysia and nearly TWICE that of Thailand. Only in the case of Indonesia is the Population Bigger - of course it is Twice that of Pakistan.

If you take the Pakistan comparison to Malaysia then with Six Times the population were the Pakistani Exports Six times that Malaysia? In case of Thailand were the Pakistani Exports Twice that of Thailand?

Do get us the figures and then we can talk of Pakistan’s Golden Age!

Stop beating around the bush.

You have clearly failed to show any data to negate what Dr.Husain said: "By 1969, Pakistan’s manufactured exports were higher than the exports of Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia combined."

As to the Golden Sixties in Pakistan, its growth rate was many times higher than India's "Hindu Growth Rate" and it was seen as a model economy by Harvard development economists.

Pak%2BGDP%2B1951-2009.png


Haq's Musings: A Brief History of Pakistani Economy 1947-2010
 
Stop beating around the bush.

You have clearly failed to show any data to negate what Dr.Husain said: "By 1969, Pakistan’s manufactured exports were higher than the exports of Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia combined."

As to the Golden Sixties in Pakistan, its growth rate was many times higher than India's "Hindu Growth Rate" and it was seen as a model economy by Harvard development economists.

Pak%2BGDP%2B1951-2009.png


Haq's Musings: A Brief History of Pakistani Economy 1947-2010

It is Dr. Hussain and you - my dear Mr. Haq - who are beating about the bush!

How can you compare the Manufactured Exports being Higher when the combined sizes of Malaysia and Thailand is smaller than Pakistan.

In addition what were the "Manufactured Exports" of Pakistan. I believe it was mainly Jute. It would help if you put a list of the "Manufactured Exports" of Pakistan in the Period 1960-1970.

In the Ten Year Period the Total Exports were about US$ 2,470 Million i.e. an Average of US$ 247 Million per year.

Now the Figure of US$ 247 Million is the TOTAL Figure. Even if the Manufactured Export were Fifty Per Cent of the Total then the amount of Manufactured Exports would be an Average of US$ 125 Million Annually. Of this the Major Export was "Jute Goods" which eventually went to Bangladesh in 1971.

Try and find out the Manufactured Goods List and then we can discuss.

To be sure India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, etc. etc. also did not have a Manufacturing Capacity but all said and done the same holds good for Pakistan.

It is humanly Impossible to have Pakistan - a country abundantly endowed with Natural Resources - to have its Manufactured Exports dry up.

They didn't. In fact the Annual Exports crossed the US$ One Billion Mark in 1973-1974. It is interesting that the Exports in the Ten Year Period of the "Seventies" the Total was US$ 11.557 Billion which gives an Average of US$ 1.1557 Billion i.e. the Average Annual Exports in the Seventies were Over Four and a Half Times the corresponding Annual Average in the "Golden Sixties"!
 
It is Dr. Hussain and you - my dear Mr. Haq - who are beating about the bush!

How can you compare the Manufactured Exports being Higher when the combined sizes of Malaysia and Thailand is smaller than Pakistan.

In addition what were the "Manufactured Exports" of Pakistan. I believe it was mainly Jute. It would help if you put a list of the "Manufactured Exports" of Pakistan in the Period 1960-1970.

In the Ten Year Period the Total Exports were about US$ 2,470 Million i.e. an Average of US$ 247 Million per year.

Now the Figure of US$ 247 Million is the TOTAL Figure. Even if the Manufactured Export were Fifty Per Cent of the Total then the amount of Manufactured Exports would be an Average of US$ 125 Million Annually. Of this the Major Export was "Jute Goods" which eventually went to Bangladesh in 1971.

Try and find out the Manufactured Goods List and then we can discuss.

To be sure India, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, etc. etc. also did not have a Manufacturing Capacity but all said and done the same holds good for Pakistan.

It is humanly Impossible to have Pakistan - a country abundantly endowed with Natural Resources - to have its Manufactured Exports dry up.

They didn't. In fact the Annual Exports crossed the US$ One Billion Mark in 1973-1974. It is interesting that the Exports in the Ten Year Period of the "Seventies" the Total was US$ 11.557 Billion which gives an Average of US$ 1.1557 Billion i.e. the Average Annual Exports in the Seventies were Over Four and a Half Times the corresponding Annual Average in the "Golden Sixties"!

Here's what Dr.Husain said: "By 1969, Pakistan’s manufactured exports were higher than the exports of Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia combined."

Surely, the three nations (Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia) have considerably more people than Pakistan.

Now please cut out the BS and show me with specific data and references how Dr. Husain, a former central bank governor and WB VP and current Dean of IBA, is wrong.
 
Here's what Dr.Husain said: "By 1969, Pakistan’s manufactured exports were higher than the exports of Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia combined."

Surely, the three nations (Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia) have considerably more people than Pakistan.

Now please cut out the BS and show me with specific data and references how Dr. Husain, a former central bank governor and WB VP and current Dean of IBA, is wrong.

You will have to provide the Figures of Indonesian, Malaysian and Thailand Exports when compared to Pakistan.

I have given you links to Pakistan's and you now have to get the Exports of the Three Countries for comparison!

So no more Male Bovine Faecal Droppings from you. Get the Information and we can get on!
 
You will have to provide the Figures of Indonesian, Malaysian and Thailand Exports when compared to Pakistan.

I have given you links to Pakistan's and you now have to get the Exports of the Three Countries for comparison!

So no more Male Bovine Faecal Droppings from you. Get the Information and we can get on!

Just throwing gratuitous insults won't do. You have the onus to find data since you are the one who's challenging eminent economist Dr. Husain's assertions, not me.

It's time for you to put up or shut up!
 

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