Pakistan should have Satellite-Killer Missile System

[saiko]

I fail to see how spending money Pakistan doesn't have on ASAT technology will be helpful.

You already have nuclear weapons. You don't need the deterrent of an ASAT missile.

If your intention is to use them in war to gain a conventional edge it won't be much of one unless you intend to destroy the GPS network (in which case the US will probably bomb you).

Destroying spy satellites is of marginal beneift with India investing so much into UAVs and having such relationships with other nations that woudl supply them with satellite intel should they be unable to use their own sats.

 

[nightcrawler]

Hey can antisatellites systems be launched from warplanes. One document do suugest that
An abstract
antisatellite (ASAT) weapon by replacing the camera with a nuclear war- ..... and the F-15 air-launched antisatellite system tests conducted by the ...
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/petersen.pdf 6mb

 

[z9-ec]

Hey can antisatellites systems be launched from warplanes. One document do suugest that
An abstract
antisatellite (ASAT) weapon by replacing the camera with a nuclear war- ..... and the F-15 air-launched antisatellite system tests conducted by the ...
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/petersen.pdf 6mb

Yes, fighter jets can launch such systems in to orbit. I believe we should look for something similar. The ASM-135 ASAT is an air-launched anti-satellite multi stage mizzie that was developed by Ling-Temco-Vought (LTV) Aerospace. The ASM-135 was carried by USAF's F-15 Eagle fighter aircraft.

Here's the official image of the launch:

 

[XYON]

^^^ This option can only be carried out by the likes of either an F-15, F-22 or the Mig-27LR. All three of these planes are not available to Pakistan. Plus considering the money spent in maintaining the aircrafts, logistics of high altitude missile systems etc etc, simply having a Anti-Sat missile system will be more cost effective!

 

[nightcrawler]

Thnx z9-ec I got a search for your given system & yes you were right. Perhaps you must see the following document from the AirForce mag. about the past present & the future of the antisatellite weaponry with regards to USA & Russia. Dubbed as Flying Tomato the ASM-135 ASAT for the present isn't operational & at any cost I fell can be re-registered if China tests any ASAT programme again!!

http://www.*******.com/file/98265399/2254ce14/Flying_Tomato.html

 

[nightcrawler]

Hey do anyone has any idea regarding SPACE MINES??

 

[XYON]

Hey do anyone has any idea regarding SPACE MINES??

Too expensive a proposition and counter productive to one's own defenses. Unlike sea mines, space mines will be difficult to lay & sustain in a particular geo-synchro orbit and are susceptible to sympathetic detonation by uncontrolled floating space junk & meteors. The space mines could also be detrimental to the NASA's space program and the space shuttle etc. Hence, the US would not do it and would not allow other countries to do it either.

 

[PAFAce]

Great technology, but the question is feasibility and value. How do we get maximum bang for our buck. Much like Pakistan counters Indian threats through missile technology (which is relatively cheap and effective), analysis studies will have to be done between this idea and others to deal with India's surveillance capabilities.

Also, the Indians will be spying on Pakistan quite a bit with their satellite. Therefore, the advantage of shooting down a satellite once in a state of war will be limited by the fact that the Indians will know quite a bit about us from peace-time surveillance. I think a better alternative would be joint-development (or at least procurement) of our own surveillance satellite systems. That way, we won't just have the ability to counter the the Indian threat, but even others within the region (ex. from the Western borders). Being able to engineer and deploy our own satellites will also serve other areas of development and will act as a stepping stone for further development of our space program and anti-satellite technology.

Ofcourse, we'll have to do something about our economy for anything to be possible.

 

[PAFAce]

Great technology, but the question is feasibility and value. How do we get maximum bang for our buck. Much like Pakistan counters Indian threats through missile technology (which is relatively cheap and effective), analysis studies will have to be done between this idea and others to deal with India's surveillance capabilities.

Also, the Indians will be spying on Pakistan quite a bit with their satellite. Therefore, the advantage of shooting down a satellite once in a state of war will be limited by the fact that the Indians will know quite a bit about us from peace-time surveillance. I think a better alternative would be joint-development (or at least procurement) of our own surveillance satellite systems. That way, we won't just have the ability to counter the the Indian threat, but even others within the region (ex. from the Western borders). Being able to engineer and deploy our own satellites will also serve other areas of development and will act as a stepping stone for further development of our space program and anti-satellite technology.

Ofcourse, we'll have to do something about our economy for anything to be possible.

 

[nightcrawler]

Another weapon of considerable interest is the Space Based Laser. These weapons could attack over long distances at the speed of light, although space mines and the ABL could be equally prompt. A SBL could also attack terrestrial targets, but only with suitable laser wavelengths to penetrate the atmosphere. The current candidate SBL lasers cannot attack ground or airborne targets.
A single SBL, costing billions of dollars, could typically have a range of at most 3000 km, unless the SBL constellation were conceived to have a large number of redirecting ("fighting") mirrors3. Under those circumstances, a competitive system could use a ground-based laser, redirected by such mirrors3. Cloud at the GBL site would cancel the capability of a GBL, so several would be needed to have high probability that the system would be operable at any time. In any case, the fighting mirrors might be classed by the potential victims as weapons in space as well.

An SBL would be a very expensive means of attacking a satellite, but might be more useful for missile defense purposes. With relatively few SBL in orbit, one might need to be used at 3000 km range. At that distance, with no loss through the atmosphere, a perfect mirror of 3 m diameter, and laser power output of 3 MW in the 3.8-micron DF band, a target protected with 3 cm of cork could
withstand about 200 MJm-2 before exposing the target surface to laser heat. (Some Minuteman ICBMs have had a 0.6-centimeter layer of cork to protect the booster from skin friction heating during launch.
Such a layer would be vaporized with about 50 MJm-2 (5 kJcm-2) from a SBL.) The laser consumes fuel at a rate of some 3kg/MWs, or 9 kg/s, and it would need to fire for 1700 s at the assumed 3000-km range, thus using 15 tons of fuel, at a launch cost for fuel of $150 million per target attacked. At a range of 1000 km, the launch cost would be some $16 M per target.

3 Bethe, H.A., and Garwin, R.L., “Space-based Ballistic-Missile Defense,” Scientific American, Volume 252, No. 4, October 1984. (Figure on p. 44).

 

[spsk]

India does not have much space assets for military use, If Pakistan decides to be invest something on ASAT weapons its nothing but foolishness, Why should you invest a huge amount for nothing Any ASAT test will result economic ban on Pakistan .Useless topic to discuss, why to discuss about a fiction ? Indian having much space assets that Pakistan test ASAT to counter that haha dpnt you feel funny ?

 

[RescueRanger]

Lets focus on Quality Education, Clean Water, Healthcare and employment for the masses. Then when the priorities are out of the way, we can start to look at such tech.

At this point additional investment in silly ideas such as 5th/6th Gen Fighters, Space Militarization and the such are not beneficial in the long run to our national or geo-strategic interest.

Or do we want to end up like Darfur?

 

[A1Kaid]

Well from what I have read and understand is that Chinese military has agreed to share Satellite images & information, coordinates, and other details with PA upon request.

There is a common understanding already.

 

[A1Kaid]

I agree we should not invest in these large "white elephant" projects, that may make us feel proud but at the end of the day Pakistan is still in a state where human development lacks in socioeconomic status, employment, education, health care, shelter, justice, and human happiness.

The wise thing to do is produce our true objectives, we can live without a Anti-Satellite Killer system for now and the years to come.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Anti sat weapons systen takes us away from a nation with a defencive posture to one that of an offensive nature---a threat to all nations of the world who have sats in the space.

Pakistan does not need anymore trouble from the west.