Pakistan should Give Palestine and KSA Its Nuclear umbrella

[tigerrock ali]

Pakistan should finally move beyond its problems ,Doesn't meant it shouldn't act or forget.
We know that problems like poverty aren't going anywhere when our leaders take around Gigantic Mercedes and protocol,Its time we should make laws to Improve this system.
A poor nation led by one of its wealthiest?
On a larger scale we know that Pakistan doesn't anywhere near holds the International importance and recognition as it used to,During the cold war and Iron curtain Pakistan was the only state that took hold of communist foray by aligning itself with the Western superpowers along with that the fall of East Pakistan also happened due to the very reasons

Yes our Government made their own mistakes which contributed to the fall of East Pakistan.
Pakistan needs to make itself heard on the World stage and stop pretending like Nothing,We've the backing of Iran(future superpower and Important regional player)Turkey and China.
Most Secular Pakistanis hold KSA to a Disregard and blame them for Wahaabi Mullana's,Whatever that is should be forgotten as NAP is working on this.
KSA holds outstanding significance to all muslim's around the world,It is a country with own self importance,Given the fact we already would act if its threatened with aggression,Why shouldn't we take the Saudis under our Nuclear umbrella?
The Saudis would help us in our Future Nuclear ambitions and that could cover a range of developments.

Palestine:
We Already know the problems with Palestine,Moving our nukes into Jordan to provide Palestine a umbrella would be a win/win situation for everybody.
First step should be to hold talks with the Israelite,Convince them that we're here to solve this problem,Just get them in the game,Tell them we don't want to talk about how you made Palestine your home with all the Askenzai and Oranzai whatever jews,We just want peace for Palestinian people,Tell them that a huge chunk of radicalized terrorist groups exist because of this country where you live peacefully that contributed to a sense of betrayal for the rest of the world.
Second step would be to convince Anti-Zionist groups like hamas to lay down arms. Once they do you can create a Palestinian defense force (PDF) and let em protect their borders.

What's in it for Pakistan?
Besides peace for the region,We would create strategic depth for our country and our nuclear arsenal. If Palestine issue comes to a stop,One part of Middle east is automatically going to be repaired,We can demand favors like Military bases in Jordan and Saudi-arabia.
Pakistan can ultimately get its much needed Geo-political significance on the world stage,As currently we're busy cleaning up the mess in our own country but it should be noted that since 1948 we've been fighting war's so our Country is used to it.

What Exactly is KSA doing for Pakistan as a country? For our rulers, it´s a totally other matter.

 

[HAIDER]

You do realize that Arabs bankrolled Nuclear programs, and Pakistan military nation, to the extent paid USA to look the other way which is on the official records. Because of their funding, Pakistan is now capable to defend itself against all the odds, and qualified for the modern warfare and equipped to eradicate terrorism using its own drone system to minimize the collateral damage to none.

Arabs gave gift which Pakistan can now afford to boast about its strength, and to this day, India is forced to use proxy wars ever since Nuclear programs which proved great deterrent for Pakistan in the history of Pakistan.

China didn't have money for Nuclear programs in 80s but collaborated with Pakistan for Nuclear programs which relied heavily on Arab funding to kick off. The same Libya that exposed the whole matter of Pakistan Nuclear program and no longer remained secret which in result Arabs had to pay extra to USA to look the other way so Pakistan Nuclear program could carry on. USSR invasion was the great timing which threw USA at the mercy of Pakistan, thus Pakistan was able to fast-track Nuclear programs with Arab funding, not to mention with Arab funding that paid USA handsomely to look the other way. There was the reason why a lot of collaboration between Arabs and USA during 70s-90s, and Arabs had played huge role for the Nuclear development of Pakistan whether we admit this or not.

FYI; I am not fan of Arab and their shenanigans, but the credit is due to them though.

Pakistan was nuclear power during Bhutto era, but Zia and Pak nuclear program saved due to Russian Afghan intervention. You can say it was Russian blunder in Afghanistan saved Pakistan nuclear program. Libya provide biggest financial assistance to PPP to carry the program. China provide the hardware and again UK Glaxo provide the lab material. I personally doubt even Libyan claim of providing financial assistance too. It was will of China too, Pakistan become nuclear state to permanently neutralize India for any type of future aggression.
To understand the whole scenario , we need to start from 1971 debacle, Mao, Lai frustration of CENTO back off.
Finally , nuclear weapons are basically for deterrence . But mini nukes are threat for India.

 

[Finer]

Pakistan was nuclear power during Bhutto era, but Zia and Pak nuclear program saved due to Russian Afghan intervention. You can say it was Russian blunder in Afghanistan saved Pakistan nuclear program. Libya provide biggest financial assistance to PPP to carry the program. China provide the hardware and again UK Glaxo provide the lab material. I personally doubt even Libyan claim of providing financial assistance too. It was will of China too, Pakistan become nuclear state to permanently neutralize India for any type of future aggression.
To understand the whole scenario , we need to start from 1971 debacle, Mao, Lai frustration of CENTO back off.

True. That doesn't change the fact that KSA also provided huge funding given their roles in 80s in exchange for special condition with Pakistan army in regard to protection of Makkah and Medina, and maybe KSA as whole.

 

[DavidSling]

Pakistan doesn't even have accurate nukes that have that range , do that and Israel will start their own nuke program and openlly station nuclear subs in the indian ocean . Which Israel is more than capable of doing


.... On second thought , ya go for it

Israeli nuclear program started in the 50-60s.
today Israel is believed to have between 80-400 fission and fusion bombs but no one actually no knows the exact number.
Israel Popeye SLCM is believed to have a range of 1500+ range, and Israeli Dolphin submarines are capable of shooting it.
Israel can also equip nuclear tipped missiles on it's jets.
Israel also has Jericho missile series, which the latest one has a range of between 5000 to 11500 KM according to foreign media (based on the shavit launcher)
Israel also posses high amount of Biological and Chemical weapons, which is being produced in Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR[21]) in Ness Ziona according to foreign sources.

 

[HAIDER]

True. That doesn't change the fact that KSA also provided huge funding given their roles in 80s in exchange for special condition with Pakistan army in regard to protection of Makkah and Medina, and maybe KSA as whole.

I personally did lot of research but in 80 never seen any Middle Eastern country contribution to Pak nuclear program except Libya/Gaddaffi. People claim alot , but nothing can be found . Because whole equipment came from China with blue print.

 

[Djinn]

I personally did lot of research but in 80 never seen any Middle Eastern country contribution to Pak nuclear program except Libya/Gaddaffi. People claim alot , but nothing can be found . Because whole equipment came from China with blue print.

Interestingly the claims regarding Chinese involvement in Pakistani nuclear program are also unreliable. The Chinese may have helped but to which extent that is not certain and that too is based on a global trend that all states which developed nukes, did so with direct or indirect assistance from others including the US, who didn't develop them unilaterally.

 

[HAIDER]

Interestingly the claims regarding Chinese involvement in Pakistani nuclear program are also unreliable. The Chinese may have helped but to which extent that is not certain and that too is based on a global trend that all states which developed nukes, did so with direct or indirect assistance from others including the US, who didn't develop them unilaterally.

lol..this is serious, Pakistan use all Chinese equipment, read UN proliferation report about Pak/China centrifuge rods.

Israeli nuclear program started in the 50-60s.
today Israel is believed to have between 80-400 fission and fusion bombs but no one actually no knows the exact number.
Israel Popeye SLCM is believed to have a range of 1500+ range, and Israeli Dolphin submarines are capable of shooting it.
Israel can also equip nuclear tipped missiles on it's jets.
Israel also has Jericho missile series, which the latest one has a range of between 5000 to 11500 KM according to foreign media (based on the shavit launcher)
Israel also posses high amount of Biological and Chemical weapons, which is being produced in Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR[21]) in Ness Ziona according to foreign sources.

Nuclear tipped is old tech ...used for better penetration . But, it source of disease among the handlers of equipment.

 

[Isotope]

Pakistan with its minimal resources and diplomatic power, is just simply not in the position to take such step. Being a sole super power, America will be the first one to go against the idea. In the back ground, America does help Pakistan a lot which most Pakistanis don't realize or appreciate, though mostly for it's own national interests, but the fact remains.

 

[HAIDER]

Pakistan with its minimal resources and diplomatic power, is just simply not in the position to take such step. Being a sole super power, America will be the first one to go against the idea. In the back ground, America does help Pakistan a lot which most Pakistanis don't realize or appreciate, though mostly for it's own national interests, but the fact remains.

US during first Afghan war intentionally eyes away from Pak-China nuclear warhead joint venture. Some of commentators said that it was US want Pak to become nuclear power to neutralize India. It's because India was active member of socialist block.

 

[Djinn]

lol..this is serious, Pakistan use all Chinese equipment, read UN proliferation report about Pak/China centrifuge rods.

Most of which is based on US CIA intelligence reports........Yes very credibly indeed! While I am not denying Pakistan may not have got Chinese assistance but fact is all countries had a helping hand in their nuclear programs even the "ubber advanced" USA and as far as Pakistani-Chinese nuclear collaboration is concerned it's not as simple and apparent as some believe. BTW if such startling report does exist which proves it without a doubt, do pass it on to me I would like to drop it like a bomb on my department of Strategic and Nuclear Studies.

 

[denel]

very silly post. umbrella for what? Everyone is a grown up and can take care of themselves. There is a lot of poverty, educational and health challenges - focus on that internally. Your own people deserve to get upliftment than outsider.

charity begins at home always.

 

[Finer]

I personally did lot of research but in 80 never seen any Middle Eastern country contribution to Pak nuclear program except Libya/Gaddaffi. People claim alot , but nothing can be found . Because whole equipment came from China with blue print.

Read between the lines when you read the Nuclear pact between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Of course, Pakistan will deny it just to maintain the illusion.

 

[HAIDER]

Read between the lines when you read the Nuclear pact between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Of course, Pakistan will deny it just to maintain the illusion.

I will try read between the lines. But proliferation document named only Libya and mainly China from start of project in 80s. Last pages of document cover Iran/Pakistan/China.

 

[Yousafzai_M]

Is it a rain umbrella that we can just handover?

 

[somebozo]