Pakistan: Short-Range Nukes Needed to Deter India

[Indian_Devil]

Don't tell me stories. You are not here to tell who admitted what as if you put that that way, your own people has conducted 7/11 as it too is admitted before the court under oath. Recently another admission on boat incident has earned you some "respect".

Coming back to topic, your point was that India never invaded and now you are shy to talk about the topic. I hope next time you will feel more reluctance to lie that blatantly and alleging Pakistan of false accusations. If you correct yourself, you have resolved this talk.

we too love Sir Zaid hamid but not to that extent of deewanapan like you...
BTW can you prove indian involvement in7/11 incident with any proof except thathilarious zaidu interviews? also it looks like you haven't updated your knowledge on boat incident??

 

[graphican]

So how many mountains sorry, sorry, sorry- peaks you guys have under control as of now?

Op Badr was a perfect disaster which PA planned and ended up nawaz going to washington.

I can give sources which will leave trolls red faced.

Tiger Hill - the Tallest Mountain of the region. Study about it which hurts India somewhere and frequently so.
Nawaz went to Washington but why did India accept a seas fire if it was winning? Ask somebody in your military tonight.
Sure, trolls should see red face. I see how reluctant you are to put facts here... I see who is shying here and who's face is turning red.

 

[ManavKalia]

Wrong again, Pakistan has captured tiger hill back to Pakistan which has been hurting India butt deeply. Before you thump your chest for 71, something happens to India in 62 and it is still happening to you every day when Chinese invade upto 12 KM inside their territory and which India is occupying Wana thump some chest for that? I wouldn't humiliate you for Naxals in this post though not put how few hundred Mujahideen made India beg request from Israel and if it wasn't helped, it had lost those mountains for good.

What has resulted of 4 hours of talk? I have shown your mirror and busted your India never invaded dreams. I hope you are able to sleep peacefully tonight :p

For Kashmir, our biggest victory is Kashmiris who from the last 68 years are with us - yes with us - with Pakistan and want to liberate from India. Even their 3rd generation which is born under Indian occupation considers India an occupying force and never acknowledged themselves as Indians. That is our first victory.

Our second victory is that Kashmir freedom movement is on the rise. Recently two Indian posts were attacked and Kashmirs have realized libation would come through talking the talk but walking the walk.

Our most valued success is our iron-strong commitment with Kashmirs to stand with them and liberate their homeland from Indian occupation. We are ready to fight for them, with them and against a common enemy - Invading and occupying India.

we ceded aksai-chin to china in 62, we got sikkim from china in after 68.. who gained, who lost? aksai-chin has almost zero population and natural resources.. aksai-chin is what value compared to sikkim? use Wikipedia and find out..

tiger hill is nothing, Pakistan surrendered in an abject manner in 71, we had choice of whatever part of Kashmir we wanted, we kept the parts we wanted, and returned the parts that we didn't want back to you.. we still don't want those parts, because of administrative hassles, inaccessibility, lower natural resources, and hostile populations.. ;-)

regarding the rest of your Kashmir dreaming brothers, feel free to liberate them whenever you want.. our army will surrender within two weeks to you, and then you'll have your revenge for 71.. LOL

 

[graphican]

we ceded aksai-chin to china in 62, we got sikkim from china in after 68.. who gained, who lost? aksai-chin has almost zero population and natural resources.. aksai-chin is what value compared to sikkim? use Wikipedia and find out..

tiger hill is nothing, Pakistan surrendered in an abject manner in 71, we had choice of whatever part of Kashmir we wanted, we kept the parts we wanted, and returned the parts that we didn't want back to you.. we still don't want those parts, because of administrative hassles, inaccessibility, lower natural resources, and hostile populations.. ;-)

regarding the rest of your Kashmir dreaming brothers, feel free to liberate them whenever you want.. our army will surrender within two weeks to you, and then you'll have your revenge for 71.. LOL

Look at you "we still don't want those parts, because of administrative hassles". Angoor khatay hain na?

Your army dared not to cross the international boarder and kept sitting there looking tat the border for 11 months - apparently all prepared and geared up! If you guys are that "mard" then were you short of tissue-papers that prevented entire Indian forces from crossing the border?

 

[ManavKalia]

"Buddy" if you want to talk about who split who in half, dont forget when we split your country into 3 pieces in 1947. Your people could do nothing.


Yes, that is why they give $100million every year to Strategic Planning Division.

are you talking about partition? LOL

no one in India cares about that, and they all thank god that Pakistan and Bangladesh didn't remain with India, imagine the hassles if they were stuck to us... ;-)

 

[IND151]

Pakistan expected their nuclear deterrent to hold back India from replying hard. But they were completely taken aback by India's strong retaliation. Nevertheless the Indian Army was under severe disadvantages in the fight. The Pakistanis were stationed at higher points and could easily locate and target any Indian advances towards them. But they had not yet admitted to their involvement. This gave India a slight advantage of sorts. India brought in the heavy Bofors guns and other heavy artilleries to aid their infantries with all kinds of shelling and firing on the posts that were occupied by the Pakistanis. They also brought in the Indian Air Force to bomb these occupied posts. IAF's MiG-21s and Mirage-2000Hs were used extensively to carry out strike missions although the jets could not deliver as effectively as desired because of the unusual height they were made to fly at. But the Pakistanis who had not admitted to their involvement couldn't retaliate with similar vigour, lest their deception come out in open in front of the world. As a result of constant shelling and bombings by the Indians, Pakistanis were forced to retreat, incurring very heavy casualties in the process. Ultimately, they had to admit to their involvement and that brought them under severe international pressure. They were also forced to vacate every Indian post. They incurred heavy casualties (lost close to 1000 of their men) in the process. And they couldn't achieve their objective either, which was to cut off India from Ladakh area of J&K and hence make significant inroads into the region. The war was a complete failure for Pakistan. There was not a single positive they could draw from their deceptive operation. To put things in context read these lines found in the entry of a diary recovered from a slain Pakistani soldier at the end of the war - "How do you defeat an enemy who has already defeated you in his mind!!" Even the Pakistani soldiers were well aware of their impending defeat. So one thing which we could be dead certain about is that Pakistan definitely didn't win the war.
As far as India is concerned, they managed to defend and regain their lost posts and territories, albeit at the cost of around 550 of their soldiers. But they didn't continue to push Pakistan after that and didn't cross the LoC to enter into their territory for any kind of counter operation.

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&r...Pc-A-cnpxgI-Vzgc2zICFgw&bvm=bv.89184060,d.d24

Tiger Hill - the Tallest Mountain of the region. Study about it which hurts India somewhere and frequently so.
Nawaz went to Washington but why did India accept a seas fire if it was winning? Ask somebody in your military tonight.
Sure, trolls should see red face. I see how reluctant you are to put facts here... I see who is shying here and who's face is turning red.

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[ManavKalia]

Look at you "we still don't want those parts, because of administrative hassles". Angoor khatay hain na?

Your army dared not to cross the international boarder and kept sitting there looking tat the border for 11 months - apparently all prepared and geared up! If you guys are that "mard" then were you short of tissue-papers that prevented entire Indian forces from crossing the border?

have we ever asked for your part of Kashmir? have we ever fought for them? have we not returned them to you in 71? what does that mean? we want your part of Kashmir? or we have no interest in your part? do we have to write on stamp paper to make it clear?

answer these logically and you'll attain enlightenment.. ;-)

hint: use Wikipedia to see value of Indian part and Pakistan part and China part of Kashmir.. Will be lot of fun for you, I promise..

 

[graphican]

Pakistan expected their nuclear deterrent to hold back India from replying hard. But they were completely taken aback by India's strong retaliation. Nevertheless the Indian Army was under severe disadvantages in the fight. The Pakistanis were stationed at higher points and could easily locate and target any Indian advances towards them. But they had not yet admitted to their involvement. This gave India a slight advantage of sorts. India brought in the heavy Bofors guns and other heavy artilleries to aid their infantries with all kinds of shelling and firing on the posts that were occupied by the Pakistanis. They also brought in the Indian Air Force to bomb these occupied posts. IAF's MiG-21s and Mirage-2000Hs were used extensively to carry out strike missions although the jets could not deliver as effectively as desired because of the unusual height they were made to fly at. But the Pakistanis who had not admitted to their involvement couldn't retaliate with similar vigour, lest their deception come out in open in front of the world. As a result of constant shelling and bombings by the Indians, Pakistanis were forced to retreat, incurring very heavy casualties in the process. Ultimately, they had to admit to their involvement and that brought them under severe international pressure. They were also forced to vacate every Indian post. They incurred heavy casualties (lost close to 1000 of their men) in the process. And they couldn't achieve their objective either, which was to cut off India from Ladakh area of J&K and hence make significant inroads into the region. The war was a complete failure for Pakistan. There was not a single positive they could draw from their deceptive operation. To put things in context read these lines found in the entry of a diary recovered from a slain Pakistani soldier at the end of the war - "How do you defeat an enemy who has already defeated you in his mind!!" Even the Pakistani soldiers were well aware of their impending defeat. So one thing which we could be dead certain about is that Pakistan definitely didn't win the war.
As far as India is concerned, they managed to defend and regain their lost posts and territories, albeit at the cost of around 550 of their soldiers. But they didn't continue to push Pakistan after that and didn't cross the LoC to enter into their territory for any kind of counter operation.

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEAQFjAE&url=http://www.quora.com/India-Pakistan-Rivalry/Who-actually-won-the-Kargil-war&ei=W10RVYS5PMv5UoTXgbgM&usg=AFQjCNEJ9xPPc-A-cnpxgI-Vzgc2zICFgw&bvm=bv.89184060,d.d24



Pakistan: Short-Range Nukes Needed to Deter India | Page 4

Earn a medal on behalf of Indian forces - would you?
Israel helped India turn around Kargil war?

Israel helped India to "turn the situation around". You guys couldn't even get those mountains evacuated from ill-equipped people lacking military backing and support. Such a proud moment for Indian Army I see.

 

[aazar]

The nuclear stability in South Asia is confronted by numerous and serious challenges, ranging from new ambitious limited war fighting concepts in the shape of Indian Military Cold Start Doctrine, or Proactive Strategies to acquisition of Ballistic Missile Defence system (BMD) and massive increase in India’s conventional defence spending, i.e. over $43 billion against Pakistan’s little over $6 billion, have pushed the South Asian region towards perpetual instability. Pakistan has developed low yield nukes in order to avoid nuclear arms race with India.

 

[graphican]

have we ever asked for your part of Kashmir? have we ever fought for them? have we not returned them to you in 71? what does that mean? we want your part of Kashmir? or we have no interest in your part? do we have to write on stamp paper to make it clear?

answer these logically and you'll attain enlightenment.. ;-)

hint: use Wikipedia to see value of Indian part and Pakistan part and China part of Kashmir.. Will be lot of fun for you, I promise..

Making you see intellectually bleed is more fun - trust me.
So now you are totally escaped from your talk of invasion hain? Good! Be careful next time you utter B! that India never invaded - there are 200 million of us in Pakistan and only one would do make you sleep less again.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Reference: Operation Chengiz Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By October 1971, the Mukti Bahini had started launching massive raids deep into East Pakistan with active support of the Indian Army troops.[12] The situation had detoriorated to a state of active undeclared war in the East by the end of November, when Indian and Mukti Bahini forces launched offensives on both the eastern and western borders of East Pakistan.

The attack you are talking about had came at least 3 months later when Indian forces had already invaded East-Pakistan.

another of their state propaganda what else, these buffoons actually believe in whatever they read in news papers and see in tv. So let them be, dont engage them in a serious debate.

Oh really? then what happened the bombs fitted on Pakistani chests in 1971? did they self explode, with the shame of losing half your country in less than two weeks?

that was in the battle of chawinda the second largest tank battle in sialkot sector in 1965. And yes contrary to yr state propaganda u did lost the 65 war.

 

[ManavKalia]

Making you see intellectually bleed is more fun - trust me.
So now you are totally escaped from your talk of invasion hain? Good! Be careful next time you utter B! that India never invaded - there are 200 million of us in Pakistan and only one would do make you sleep less again.

LOL bleed..

brother, you're very funny..

what was the pakistan's objective of 4 wars and their result?

48 : objective - to get kingdom of Kashmir : result - failure

65 : objective - to get Indian Kashmir : result - failure

71 : objective - to save Pakistan from being cut in half : result - failure

99 : objective - to gain at least an inch of Indian Kashmir : result - failure

are graphic Bhai, hamesha fail hi hote ho, Pakistani pappu kab pass hoga? ...

thanks for making me laugh, keep on making me bleed like this, who needs to watch comedy shows on tv, when I have comedians like you.. LOL

another of their state propaganda what else, these buffoons actually believe in whatever they read in news papers and see in tv. So let them be, dont engage them in a serious debate.


that was in the battle of chawinda the second largest tank battle in sialkot sector in 1965. And yes contrary to yr state propaganda u did lost the 65 war.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Wikipedia = state propaganda

this forum is like cartoon network.. should stop watching tv and spend more time here.. full on entertainment.. LOL

 

[IND151]

Earn a medal on behalf of Indian forces - would you?
Israel helped India turn around Kargil war?

Israel helped India to "turn the situation around". You guys couldn't even get those mountains evacuated from ill-equipped people lacking military backing and support. Such a proud moment for Indian Army I see.

And just Israel help won us war?

If tech is everything why US could not stop reunification of two vitenams?

The thing is Kargil is perfect diaster for Pakistan.

ISLAMABAD: Former federal minister Lt-Gen (retd) Abdul Majeed Malik, who is an eyewitness to major happenings that took place during the tenure of the second Nawaz Sharif government, says the Kargil operation of Pervez Musharraf was badly conceived, faultily executed and totally unneeded.

“Musharraf’s assertion that the then government turned a won war into a political defeat is erroneous and misplaced. Rather it saved the army and Pakistan from further embarrassment, and this was a major achievement,” Majeed Malik, who was a key minister in the Nawaz Sharif cabinet, told The News. The only element of pride in the Kargil war, he said, was that the junior officers and soldiers played a heroic role, which has no parallel in the world history. The whole nation lauds their bravery and courage.

Majeed Malik said that the casualties Pakistan suffered in the otherwise limited Kargil battle were perhaps even more than those in the full-fledged 1971 war with India.

He said the only objective of undertaking this venture was to interdict Indian supplies from their usual route. These hills, he said, are always unoccupied during winters, and when the Pakistan army captured it, it was untenanted as India had vacated it due to the chilly season. When Pakistani forces took the area, there was no resistance as there were no Indian forces present in that region, he said adding that no combat thus took place.

Even India, Majeed Malik said, came to know about occupation of the Kargil hills by Pakistani forces a few months later only when a shepherd went there. He said the way junior officers and soldiers transported the guns and other material to Kargil was unprecedented. Pakistan was not in a position for the logistics buildup.

Majeed Malik said the civilian government was formally briefed about the Kargil operation for the first time on May 17, 1999. Only then it came to know about the adventure.

He said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, he and some other federal ministers including Sartaj Aziz and Raja Zafarul Haq, Defence Secretary Lt-Gen (retd) Iftikhar Ali Khan, Foreign Secretary Shamshad Ahmed Khan and Additional Secretary, Foreign Affairs, Tariq Fatemi were present in the meeting that was given the briefing by the army generals including Pervez Musharraf, Aziz Khan, Mehmood, Tauqir Zia and Ziauddin about the Kargil operation. “It is a matter of record that I seriously objected to the venture and argued that it was absolutely wrong and would not benefit Pakistan in any way as it would not be possible for us to stay there because India has much better access to the area,” Majeed Malik recalled.

He said that India quickly mobilized its army and air force and inflicted heavy damage to Pakistan. Had the war continued for another couple of months, Pakistan would have faced more damages. In this tough situation when Pakistan was in no position to fight India in that area, Nawaz Sharif government initiated the diplomatic process by involving the then US President Bill Clinton and got Pakistan out of the difficult scenario, Majeed Malik said.

He added that when this process was started, it had become impossible for Pakistani troops to stay in the Kargil area. When the prime minister launched the efforts to end armed hostilities and after these succeeded in July that year, he kept saying that his government has taken on its shoulders the burden of blunders committed by others. He obviously alluded to Pervez Musharraf, who, some two months later, overthrew his government and imposed martial law, plunging the country into another dark era.

Kargil war was a total disaster, claims Gen Majeed Malik

 

[ManavKalia]

Huh...we created german made tanks graveyard in1965...and while 1971 the only reason to lose bengal was that ...that was a far away from our army squades and your government sended requesting apology to stop the warrr...

and you guys surrendered your entire nation to us in 71 because we requested apology?

 

[IND151]

P.S- Nixon impressess me more and more.