PAKISTAN SEEKING 4 TO 6 NEW FAST ATTACK CRAFTS TO GUARD GWADAR

[Zarvan]

Well if @Horus agreed we you that "We should develop a missile that can be fired from these small missile boats and have at least range of 10000KM" i should shoot myself and the blame on him somehow. With my ghost returning to haunt him,, not you but HIM!!!

No not on that but on 25 Frigates. Russia has Missiles which are fired from Missile Boats and have range of close 1000 KM

 

[Areesh]

Hehehehe

 

[Arsalan]

No not on that but on 25 Frigates. Russia has Missiles which are fired from Missile Boats and have range of close 1000 KM

that is 1000Km!!

you were talking about 10000 Km!!

About frigates, well all i can say is that i hope @ Horus becomes our navy Chief soon because this 25 FREMM class frigates wont be happening anytime soon (DECADES that is) unless he takes matters into his own hands. However i do feel that you should have included a AC or two while you were at it, getting approval from Horus

@Dazzler @HRK @Bratva @Irfan Baloch

 

[Zarvan]

that is 1000Km!!

you were talking about 10000 Km!!

About frigates, well all i can say is that i hope @ Horus becomes our navy Chief soon because this 25 FREMM class frigates wont be happening anytime soon (DECADES that is) unless he takes matters into his own hands. However i do feel that you should have included a AC or two while you were at it, getting approval from Horus

@Dazzler @HRK @Bratva @Irfan Baloch

Than we are doomed because Indian Navy will soon have 80 to 100 Major Ships I Frigates and Corvettes and Destroyers. FAC are separate backed by three to four squadrons of fighter jets and at least 25 submarines. Not forget Anti Submarine warfare planes like that P8. So if think we defend ourselves with around 12 Frigates and 11 submarines than good luck with that.

 

[HRK]

you were talking about 10000 Km!!

might be typo .....

@Zarvan

 

[jupiter2007]

Pakistan needs 10 to 15 patrol boats for Coast guards = Turkish MRTP 15 / 27 / 33

6 to 8 missile boats/FAC = Turkish modified FAC-55 / Tuzla II class 650 ton FAC / Modified Azamt Class 560 tons FAC.

4 to 8 Corvettes = Turkish MILGEM Istanbul class 2,900 ton Corvette/Frigate

4 to 8 heavy Frigates = Modified Type 22p with VLS and Type 057

2 to 4 Destroyers = Turkish TF-2000P Air defense destroyer project or Type 052D, Type-55 missile destroyer.

 

[Zarvan]

might be typo .....

@Zarvan

I ended up writing 10000 Okay that was mistake I meant 1000 KM. We need to get produce Missiles which can be fired from Fast Attack Crafts like Azmat which have range of 1000 KM and can hit both Surface Ships as well targets on land let say hitting my favourite target in Mumbai may be a Naval base or a radar sight or something similar.

By the way just corrected that blunder. I was talking about 1000 KM range Missile.

 

[Tank131]

Lets be very clear on the role of Pakistan's surface fleet. IT IS NOT TO ATTACK INDIAN LAND!!! It wont have that capability in the foreseeable future because it cant compete ship for ship or aircraft for aircraft with IN. Nor does it want or need to. PN doesnt need to fit LACM on surface ships, and trying to do so is a waste of time for PN. That role is better suited to PN subs as they can sneak in undetected fire off a few LACM and sneak out. So yes PN should have a cruise missile in that range on subs, it doesnt need it on surface fleet, and certainly not on small FAC who's sole purpose is to defend a port and the eez. They a)dont have space for multi-mission capability and b) dont have the legs tp perform land attack missions.

@Zarvan As for a 1000km AShM... To give you a sense of what the hell your talking about, the LRASM is a new AShM under development by US based on JASSM-ER and in its airlaunched variant will have a range of 925km (expected) and its still in development. Air launched JSM has a range of 555km and you are talking about 1000km? The YJ12 has a 400km range when air launched (250km in export varien cm400akg). And you are talking about having a land attack capability on top of that? From a surface launched version? You are living in a dream world. Btw lacm generally dont make good AShM. They are often too slow and too expensive.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Love the design, only thing missing is a smaller speed boat in the back

Gas turbine powered hull. It is offered to Turkey's Assault Boat project as well.

8 x Atmaca missile with a range of ~250km and Havelsan developed Genesis Advent network among boats enable them to attack a proper target tracked by any asset locating into same network. Smart-S radar has a range of 250km, While Aselsan Hazar has a range of around 150km. The radar selection will solely depends on requirements.

I actually believe benefits of integrating precision strike artillery rockets to such naval platforms. Such a pin-point highly precision rockets can be used to attack multiple ground targets at shores...

 

[Arsalan]

Than we are doomed because Indian Navy will soon have 80 to 100 Major Ships I Frigates and Corvettes and Destroyers. FAC are separate backed by three to four squadrons of fighter jets and at least 25 submarines. Not forget Anti Submarine warfare planes like that P8. So if think we defend ourselves with around 12 Frigates and 11 submarines than good luck with that.

how many ships the indian navy currently operate? apart from FAC. Also what are the number of fighter jets that form the naval air arm?

 

[Zarvan]

how many ships the indian navy currently operate? apart from FAC. Also what are the number of fighter jets that form the naval air arm?

They are close to 50 to 60 ships right now and they are increasing tender for around 14 Corvettes already issued and more major ships being planned and tenders being issued and many are being built.

 

[Tank131]

Now regarding more Azmat vs a new variant FAC, asmat was an important design for PN in that it was the first stealthy light corvette, but it is not nearly fast enough and certainly isnt "FAC" fast. It only hist 30knt which is slower than the zumwalt and same speed as F-22P, slower than tulwar class, shivalik class. It is a light corvette not an FAC and as such carries a good offensive punch but not really able to defend itself from IN ships or aircraft. As such, it will be good for antipiracy roles amd antishipping roles but a new variant FAC is needed alomg with new frigates. PN needs MULTI role capabilities on each of their future surface ships. They need self protection capabilities. A stealthy FAC 55 capable of 55kts with a gatling style CIWS in fron and a 15/18/21/or24 cell FL3000N CIWS will be able to reasonably defend itself against IN threats for a ship its size. And with 8 250km atacama missiles, would be able to hunt larger ships in the eez (as can azmat, as long as other ships dont outrun it).

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin Your thoughts...

Are you sure you wouldn't rather ask e.g. Indus Falcon, War&Peace or Khafee? After all, I'm just a brainless wiki copy-paste keyboard warrior ...

These FACs are primarily being sought to

• patrol littoral waters
• interdict and deter maritime criminal activity, such as trafficking and piracy.

Some missile capability would allow these boats to double as anti-access and area denial (A2/AD) assets in wartime.

The first point puts emphasis on endurance and sea keeping. The second point more emphasizes speed, either of the ship itself or in the absense of that, of the 1 or 2 highspeed shipboats carried on board (i.e. good launch and retrieve capability implied). A rotary wing U(C)AV might also be usefull in that respect.

For the wartime role, looking at current ships, one can wonder if PN would opt for anything more than adding antiship missiles. To survive, a minimum of some anti-missile capable cannon system, in addition to a dual purpose cannon system. More MRTP-33 or AZMAT, or a combination could well fit the bill. The bigger MRTP-42 might also be an option, or RMK Marine FAC (see https://defence.pk/threads/the-next-generation-ships.207590/). The latter does not seem to offer much different from AZMAT except higher top speed and longer range

http://www.yonca-onuk.com/yonca-onuk-mrtp-xx-fast-missile-boat-109-1-urun
http://www.rmkmarine.com.tr/en/the-fast-attack-craft-_fac_-project.html

Personally, on the high end of the scale, I like Singapore's 1200 ton Independence class by ST Marine, even if it doesn't come with AShM (but it could easily house 2x Harpoon or MM30 size missile sets forward).

Alternatively, the similar displacement 75 metres PVs ST Marine built for the Royal Oman Navy: AShM but no SAM.

Also interesting (if seeking some land attack capability), the South Korean PKX-B
http://www.janes.com/article/62669/south-korea-launches-first-pkx-b-missile-craft

Like ST Marine, Damen of the Netherlands offers a series of fast attack craft.
http://products.damen.com/en/ranges/sigma-fast-attack

SIGMA FAC 5910 (700 ton)

SIGMA FAC 6610 (800 ton)

SIGMA FAC 7310 (900 ton)

 

[Solomon2]

Protecting the port itself can likely be done with PN"s existing Z- and T-type frigates. However, protecting the ships using the port is another matter. Boats are needed for harbor patrol and anti-piracy missions. I don't see how the new FACs fit that bill: too big for harbor patrol and too slow for the anti-piracy role.

If I was shipping stuff in and out of Gwadar, or insuring cargoes that do, I'd probably want a say in what the PN plans to use to defend my stuff. So it might be wiser for the PN to solicit suggestions from these primary users rather than proceed without consulting them.

 

[Basel]

Are you sure you wouldn't rather ask e.g. Indus Falcon, War&Peace or Khafee? After all, I'm just a brainless wiki copy-paste keyboard warrior ...

These FACs are primarily being sought to

• patrol littoral waters
• interdict and deter maritime criminal activity, such as trafficking and piracy.

Some missile capability would allow these boats to double as anti-access and area denial (A2/AD) assets in wartime.

The first point puts emphasis on endurance and sea keeping. The second point more emphasizes speed, either of the ship itself or in the absense of that, of the 1 or 2 highspeed shipboats carried on board (i.e. good launch and retrieve capability implied). A rotary wing U(C)AV might also be usefull in that respect.

For the wartime role, looking at current ships, one can wonder if PN would opt for anything more than adding antiship missiles. To survive, a minimum of some anti-missile capable cannon system, in addition to a dual purpose cannon system. More MRTP-33 or AZMAT, or a combination could well fit the bill. The bigger MRTP-42 might also be an option, or RMK Marine FAC (see https://defence.pk/threads/the-next-generation-ships.207590/). The latter does not seem to offer much different from AZMAT except higher top speed and longer range

http://www.yonca-onuk.com/yonca-onuk-mrtp-xx-fast-missile-boat-109-1-urun
http://www.rmkmarine.com.tr/en/the-fast-attack-craft-_fac_-project.html

Personally, on the high end of the scale, I like Singapore's 1200 ton Independence class by ST Marine, even if it doesn't come with AShM (but it could easily house 2x Harpoon or MM30 size missile sets forward).

Alternatively, the similar displacement 75 metres PVs ST Marine built for the Royal Oman Navy: AShM but no SAM.

Also interesting (if seeking some land attack capability), the South Korean PKX-B
http://www.janes.com/article/62669/south-korea-launches-first-pkx-b-missile-craft

What do you think about FAC-55 concept of Turkey?? And MILIGEM??