Featured Pakistan says UAE-Israel deal could have 'far-reaching implications'

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So what is your position on Tibet?

What is your position on Kashmir?

 

[Chakar The Great]

Pakistan should wait and watch, there are other major player who will come up with different strategies to counter or support that. Pakistan can establish relationship if Israel agrees for two state solution or helps Pakistan with plebiscite in Kashmir.


I was wondering, did Pakistan know about UAE-Israel pact few days ago and that is why they were upset with Saudi Arabia and threatened to go for another forum? Saudi Arabia must have promised or offered something to Pakistan, we ll all know with time.



As far as Quaid's stance on Palestine goes, things have changed since he passed away. Ground realities are different. Jinnah was an open minded person who would change his ever evolving thought process. He joined congress, he believed in Hindu-Muslim unity and kicking out the brits, but with time he changed his mind after realising the realities. So that should be not be used as an excuse for not establishing ties with Israel.

 

[Yasser76]

Would not be surprised at all if we abandon the Palestinians now too. Pakistan's policy on this was to show solidarity with the Arab world, not that has gone what is the point. However Turkey and Iran may hold us back, and it may weaken the Kashmiri cause if we are soon to be approving of Israel. Tough diplomatic situation for Pak

 

[TruthSeeker]

What is your position on Kashmir?

For places like Kashmir, and Israel/Palestine and Tibet, I believe in self-determination via UN run plebiscite. Kashmiri's should be allowed to choose among affiliation with India, Pakistan or an Independent nation. Partition into two contiguous portions, one to India and another to Pakistan, might be necessary to satisfy a substantial minority vote population (say < 30%). If so, then this may have to involve intra-migration of minorities, as happened at the India/Pakistan birth, if they so chose to leave their homes rather than live with the majority voice in their area.

 

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For places like Kashmir, and Israel/Palestine

In the above two cases the UN recommendations are pretty much a case of "justice delayed is justice denied"

 

[CIA Mole]

For places like Kashmir, and Israel/Palestine and Tibet, I believe in self-determination via UN run plebiscite. Kashmiri's should be allowed to choose among affiliation with India, Pakistan or an Independent nation. Partition into two contiguous portions, one to India and another to Pakistan, might be necessary to satisfy a substantial minority vote population (say < 30%). If so, then this may have to involve intra-migration of minorities, as happened at the India/Pakistan birth, if they so chose to leave their homes rather than live with the majority voice in their area.

Why do you keep using fallacies? All those territories have completely different situations. Stop being stupid.

 

[TruthSeeker]

In the above two cases the UN recommendations are pretty much a case of "justice delayed is justice denied"

As I have observed here at PDF, human events most often obey the rule: "might makes right". Or:
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" (Chinese: 枪杆子里面出政权; pinyin: Qiānggǎn zi lǐmiàn chū zhèngquán), Mao Zedong.

Now, we can all lament this and wail and moan over it, but that doesn't change it. The fact is, Jewish immigrants to Palestine cared more deeply about living there, and were stronger, than were the indigenous Arabs of Palestine in the period 1880 to 1948. And, as we see in Palestine, Kashmir and Tibet, after 70 years, the status quo shifts to be in favor of the people and power on the ground now, not as it was before. The status quo in Kashmir now is strongly hardened into the current LOC partition. The only way that would likely change is if the inhabitants of the two Kashmirs, themselves, put their lives, and blood, on the line to force a change. The most peaceful model might be the civil rights movement in the American south wherein non-violent marches and protests brought about change. However, the reasons that worked is that their was a free press to tell the protest story and the American mainstream had a conscience. Such protests in Kashmir would have to be massive, massive to break through.

 

[CIA Mole]

As I have observed here at PDF, human events most often obey the rule: "might makes right". Or:
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" (Chinese: 枪杆子里面出政权; pinyin: Qiānggǎn zi lǐmiàn chū zhèngquán), Mao Zedong.

Now, we can all lament this and wail and moan over it, but that doesn't change it. The fact is, Jewish immigrants to Palestine cared more deeply about living there, and were stronger, than were the indigenous Arabs of Palestine in the period 1880 to 1948. And, as we see in Palestine, Kashmir and Tibet, after 70 years, the status quo shifts to be in favor of the people and power on the ground now, not as it was before. The status quo in Kashmir now is strongly hardened into the current LOC partition. The only way that would likely change is if the inhabitants of the two Kashmirs, themselves, put their lives, and blood, on the line to force a change. The most peaceful model might be the civil rights movement in the American south wherein non-violent marches and protests brought about change. However, the reasons that worked is that their was a free press to tell the protest story and the American mainstream had a conscience. Such protests in Kashmir would have to be massive, massive to break through.

No amount of struggle in Palestine and Kashmir will get Western support because it is not part of their agenda.

Look at Yemen.

Again, stop being fallacious and THINK before you speak.

Ans stop grouping all those territories into your argument because their situations are all different.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Why do you keep using fallacies? All those territories have completely different situations. Stop being stupid.

Stop being insulting. What you call a "fallacy" is your opinion which is no more intelligent than mine.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Actually , Pakistan can't support any such type of action, because Jinnah was the biggest supporter of Palestinian freedom and there rights. And has many speeches and lots of article signed and documented by Jinnah. So, this FO statement pretty much covers Quaid's dream.... And non govt in Pakistan will cross this line, even Musharraf was so much pushed, but he stayed away....

""Pakistan’s approach will be guided by our evaluation of how Palestinians’ rights and aspirations are upheld and how regional peace, security and stability are preserved" following the signing of the agreement."


I like this statement from FO. Clearly giving middle finger to GCC , telling them we will do what we think is right. Pakistan will not follow them.

There is also very important aspect of this. If we accept the occupation of Palestine territory by Zionist state, our stance on Indian Illegal occupied Kashmir will come crashing down.

 

[CIA Mole]

Stop being insulting. What you call a "fallacy" is your opinion which is no more intelligent than mine.

It’s called False Equivalence. Stop hiding behind American flags and “Truth” just so you can spew BS.

Anyway more on the ignore list lel.

 

[TruthSeeker]

It’s called False Equivalence. Stop hiding behind American flags and “Truth” just so you can spew BS.

Anyway more on the ignore list lel.

Stop being insulting. What you call "False Equivalence" is your opinion, which is worthless..

 

[maithil]

So no support for UAE's move. Interesting, considering whole Gulf is moving in that direction.

 

[Yasser76]

So no support for UAE's move. Interesting, considering whole Gulf is moving in that direction.

Qatar, Turkey and Iran are not and these are increasingly emerging as Pakistans main partners in the region.

 

[maithil]

Qatar, Turkey and Iran are not and these are increasingly emerging as Pakistans main partners in the region.

Qatar is likely to follow suit. Turkey already has diplomatic relations with Israel, for decades. Iran otoh will continue to resist. That's why the next few years are interesting .