Pakistan says last payment from US for fighting Taliban delayed

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Crap, will we seriously ever get our money back?
I heard about this, and it still hurts.

I think they paid us back years later with wheat or something, after long drawn out negotiations.

They refused to release either the F-16's or the money paid out. Not sure if we charged interest for the time the illegally held onto our money.

 

[Jihad]

I think they paid us back years later with wheat or something, after long drawn out negotiations.

They refused to release either the F-16's or the money paid out. Not sure if we charged interest for the time the illegally held onto our money.

You gotta be f*cking kidding me.
How can we tolerate this!?

 

[Patriot]

Are you serious lol!?
Has our government pushed the Americans about this or talked with them about this? What the hell is this? This isn't a way to make deals with eachother.

Yes, it's true.

In March, 1998, Pakistan announced that it was going to sue the United States to recover the $650 million it had paid that the United States refused to return. It is unclear what defense the U.S. would have asserted had the case been filed. It wasn’t filed and at the end of 1998 the U.S. agreed to pay Pakistan $326.9 million in cash and $140 million in other kinds of compensation including $60 million in white wheat. (That is almost certainly one of the few disputes over $650 million not involving the purchase and sale of white wheat that has ever been settled by the delivery of white wheat.) Earlier, $157 million had been refunded to Pakistan and how the last many millions were to be paid was left up to future negotiations Anyone wanting to know how that came out will have to do his or her own research.

 

[bellicose.mcbein]

How about not defrauding other countries first, as you did with Pakistan and the F-16 program, before you mouth off about 'responsibility and honesty'.

Friggin arrogant yanks.

will you pm me and direct me to that thread? otherwise please stay on topic mr mod. as you can see the america-bashing tends to distract some members easily

 

[Jihad]

Yes, it's true.

Great, we paid for state of the art fighter jets, and in turn, we partially get our money back along with tons and tons of weat I assume for so many millions?
Unbelievable, how can we do deals with them with problems like these sticking in our heads?
News like this makes me angry, sigh, I guess i'll have to wait untill our country is strong enough or we just have to wait for that type of leadership to emerge which could rectify all these errors.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

will you pm me and direct me to that thread? otherwise please stay on topic mr mod. as you can see the america-bashing tends to distract some members easily

The information has been posted already, and this information has a direct bearing on your sanctimonious 'Pakistan bashing'. The US is no altruistic and honest saint herself, and has shown that side of her towards Pakistan in the past.

Lets both move on and focus on the reimbursement question instead of 'nation bashing'.

 

[qsaark]

You gotta be f*cking kidding me.
How can we tolerate this!?

Our rulers have made our country into a 'prostitute'. Prostitutes 'tolerate' EVERY THING.

 

[Jihad]

Our rulers have made our country into a 'prostitue'. Prostitues 'tolerate' EVERY THING.

Sad but true.
You know, being a patriotic Pakistani, this hurts.
When will our time come of recognition and respect, which our nation deserves.
Ohwell, we can only ignore this, I mean, it's not up to us to decide what happens and whatnot.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sad but true.
You know, being a patriotic Pakistani, this hurts.
When will our time come of recognition and respect, which our nation deserves.
Ohwell, we can only ignore this, I mean, it's not up to us to decide what happens and whatnot.

Well, there is a reason why so many people were against Pakistan once again opting to buy F-16's from the US, or doing any sort of military related purchases.

Hence the greater and greater reliance on China and Europe for our defense needs.

Someone on another forum suggested that Pakistanis should send Senator Pressler a plaque thanking him for his efforts (sanctions) when the JF-17 squadrons become operational.

I think that's a good idea!

 

[jeypore]

How about the bodies of the thousands dead through terrorist attacks and collateral damage? The loss in investor confidence due to the fact that we live next to an invaded country with a raging insurgency that has now spilled over into Pakistan. The loss in investor and business confidence due to the suicide bombings in the major cities, including the capital city.

The drop in the economic growth rate after 2007 and 2008, arguable the bloodiest years in Pakistan's history, is ample evidence of the costs Pakistan has borne.



It is not unreasonable to demand 'receipts', it is unreasonable to hold back reimbursements that have been accounted for already, as the article indicates, and it is not unreasonable to expect the US to fulfill its commitments in a timely fashion, as is apparently not the case here.

And you 'freakin amateur', Pakistan was not the country that stole Pakistani money paid out for products (f-16's) and then refused to return both products and money to the rightful owner. The US has a history of theft from Pakistan and usurpation of her property - there is indeed good reason to be concerned.
So spout your pretentious Yank BS somewhere else.

Now now Mr. AM you know as well i do that pointing to one transaction going bad, does not put American's as a Theif. Infact Americans have given more money in Aid to Pakistan, which by your tone is been ungradeful. If this is the form of attitude America receives, why should they have to work hard for Pakistan. They can easily leave Pakistan alone, since it is your battle also, and worry only about Afganistan.

 

[qsaark]

will you pm me and direct me to that thread? otherwise please stay on topic mr mod. as you can see the america-bashing tends to distract some members easily

Even though the full report is very interesting. You may want to read the footnote 3 on page 2.

CRS Report for Congress
U.S. Arms Sales to Pakistan
Richard F. Grimmett
Specialist in International Security
Foreign Affairs, Defense, and Trade Division
Updated: Jan 28, 2008

Link: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RS22757.pdf

 

[qsaark]

They can easily leave Pakistan alone, since it is your battle also, and worry only about Afganistan.

We wish they leave us alone. If you happen to know some higher ups in Washington, tell us to leave us alone.

 

[Patriot]

Now now Mr. AM you know as well i do that pointing to one transaction going bad, does not put American's as a Theif. Infact Americans have given more money in Aid to Pakistan, which by your tone is been ungradeful. If this is the form of attitude America receives, why should they have to work hard for Pakistan. They can easily leave Pakistan alone, since it is your battle also, and worry only about Afganistan.

My friend America did not give us Aid just for humanitarian efforts.It's called strategic interest.Pakistan was very close US ally during cold war and hence US provided Aid and now US supplies also go through Pakistan...In other words, Both the countries had their strategic interest in mind, US was able to secure its strategic interests through Pakistan, while Pakistan got monetary aid.

 

[jeypore]

My friend America did not give us Aid just for humanitarian efforts.It's called strategic interest.Pakistan was very close US ally during cold war and hence US provided Aid and now US supplies also go through Pakistan...

Yes, you are right about Strategic Aids, but also look at other US's strategic aids countries (South Korea, Japan, Israel, etc...), none of this countries have shown what Pakistan has. Infact, from the benefits of US, these countries have grown not only militarily, but economically. Likewise Pakistan could have taken advantage of being a strategic aid of US, but inturn it has created more mess for itself. Blaming the US for terrorist is by far the most ludacris idea. First of all Terrorism is a global threat not regional, as the perception in Pakistan is. It is plagueing most of the worlds countries, yet Pakistan is the one crying the most. The example of death toll is the sad part of terrorism, but the will to fight terrorism solely based on money received is the wrong perception.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Now now Mr. AM you know as well i do that pointing to one transaction going bad, does not put American's as a Theif. Infact Americans have given more money in Aid to Pakistan, which by your tone is been ungradeful. If this is the form of attitude America receives, why should they have to work hard for Pakistan. They can easily leave Pakistan alone, since it is your battle also, and worry only about Afganistan.

In that particular instance they forcible kept both money and product - what would you call that?

There is nothing 'ungrateful' about me pointing out the facts, as SaadAhmed explained, the US was pursuing its own interests by giving Pakistan aid, so there was quid pro quo involved.

The rest I have already explained in my discussion with Bull.