Pakistan says last payment from US for fighting Taliban delayed

[Jihad]

Nice rant. Very "think-tanky". Yup.

Wonder if you or anybody in your government has the cajones to go off in Obama or Biden's face as you did playing to the home audience?

Your crocodile tears for Afghanistan were disgusting. Pakistan has never been a friend to that people and I remain amazed that you fail to see the massive difference between NATO's mandate and Afghanistan's civil war or the Soviet-Afghan conflict.

"haven't the american killed a thousand times more muslims in return"

This was exceptionally "think-tanky". 3000 9/11 dead x 1000= 3,000,000.

B.S. and you should be ashamed. I can only presume you got caught up in the moment while playing to the home crowd.

You can't imagine my thoughts at times of your leaders. Collective paragons of virtue and altruism. Expressed honestly and with far greater empirical evidence to support myself and I'd find the door rather quickly. Expressed with your inaccurate and vitriolic poison, I'd never be allowed back.

Home field advantage to you.

Congratulations.

Actually, it was not a rant, it was a message with some emotional sentiments in it from a man who sees what happens every single day and often asks himself when the bloodshed will end, not only for us, but for everyone.
He summed up the overall image and feelings alot of people and especially us Muslims have about this whole war and the American led policy.

 

[S-2]

"He summed up the overall image and feelings alot of people and especially us Muslims have about this whole war and the American led policy."

Well maybe you wouldn't feel the same way if distortions like these weren't part of your accepted narrative-

"...they came into afghanistan aswinging---on high testosterone---arrogant as any super power could be..."

We came remembering the deaths of 3,000 citizens and residents. 2118 afghans died by violence this year. All regrettable but 1.) most at the hands of the taliban and, 2.) reflect the stupendous difference between NATO/ISAF and the Soviets, former afghan civil war militias, or the current militants.

"And americans attacked that nation without any shame or conscience with all their weapons of shock and awe..."

As they had attacked America. Shame? The only shame would have been to allow that pushole to continue it's existence as then defined. Time for a change to any place that would harbor OBL. Comes with that "5th World" mentality, I guess but unacceptable in the 21st century.

The taliban received a healthy dose of airpower and folded. We didn't remotely scratch the possibilities or else Mastan Khan's grasp of our military potential is tenuous.

"...haven't the american killed a thousand times more muslims in return---how many more do they want to kill..."

Jihad, that's 3,000,000 muslims and is an absolute lie. I really resent this comment as it's inflammatory content is intentional and dehumanizing. Not unusual here. We've "genocide" this and "holocaust" that ad nauseum.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Some are mad at me and want to insult me---some want to degrade my persona---ok---but when I see the reaction---I know that I have touched a raw nerve somewhere.

You see the u s millitary reaction to 9/11 came up short---reeked of incompetent management---rascist right wing religious ideological control over the mindset of the enforcers----but the most shocking part was the total incompetence of the u s millitary general staff---a general staff that was without a backbone---Tommy Franks---the man---as if Donald Rumsfeld the defence sec had shoved his fist up in the dark corners and pulled out the ramrod that kept the marine general up straight---by the time Rumsfeld was done with the rest of the command staff and following generals it felt like---the marine forces command staff building was something of a chicken coop.

I expected the army to be more prepared to fight the war in the early stages---more knowledgeable about the situation on the ground---more understanding about the minimal fighting capabilities of the enemy---more in tune with the deceit and deception of the afghan tribals---but no---when the time came to check the true metal of the world most advanced army---there was no doubt that they were technically a million and zillions times more superior to their stone age adversary---but tragically they came out so out of touch with reality when it came to putting feet on the ground in maintaining law and order---taking control of the situation and not letting the known and unknown enemies escape.

We are all paying the price for those 48 hours when the american general instead of thinking with his head---started using his feet---no---not on his feet---but with his feet---he let the tyrants and killers of 3000 americans get away without putting any visible effort to contain them----tragically there were more photographers and journalists at the mountains than the god feared marines.

People why do you think I keep talking about the incompetence of the Bush heirarchy team---because it is because of those idiots that whole of the world is suffering----a job that should have been done and completed in days and months has lingered on for years and retd and ex soldiers have a sob story to tell of their woes---it is time to accept MAJOR---that your millitary is extremely incompetent when it comes to conquering a nation---trust me we fear your destructive power---we fear the wrath of GOD---we fear the death and destruction that can fall down from the skies from the F 16 f 15 ---the pilot wants to go home---but wants to unload his weapons---we fear the troops on recon missions who can come to our house and do whatsoever to us---I fear just for the sake of fear that I may not speak out of turn to get expedited---.

There has to be a limit to this murder by the millitary in afghanistan---americans are not wanted---they need to go home---their presence is not going to solve any problems----they are a total failure---their presence to contain the extremists has been a total failure---their tactical and millitary approach has been a failure---.

A 20---50 years from now---when historians will be writing about the history of american invasion of afghanistan and iraq---the american generals and the millitary would be put to shame for their incompetence---with all the resources at their hands---with all the analysts at their disposal----with all the specialists dealing in reading the minds of people on their payroll----with the previous examples of afghanistan afghanis and afghan warlords acting against other afghanis and changing their loyalties for a lots of dollars----it was all there---the failure to understand all that deserved a black spot to be put in front of their achievement.

Indeed american machinery of death and destruction will be feared by one and all, but with my head bowed down with fear to my body and soul and for the welbeing of my children and family and my nation I may keep my eyes lowered and my posture weak and non-threatening---but in my mind I will always consider them as fools who wasted it all---brainless egomaniacs with the power of death and destruction over man.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The invasion of Afghanistan was a mistake - the Taliban, as obscurantist as their ideology was, were not the enemy and were not terrorists.

Given time they would have been convinced to hand over OBL and company for trial to some third country acceptable to all sides.

Not much we can do about changing the past however, we need to deal with this new even more radicalized monster that has mutated and morphed with AQ in some instances.

 

[S-2]

"Tommy Franks---the man---as if Donald Rumsfeld the defence sec had shoved his fist up in the dark corners and pulled out the ramrod that kept the marine general up straight---by the time Rumsfeld was done with the rest of the command staff and following generals it felt like---the marine forces command staff building was something of a chicken coop."

Tommy Franks was a U.S. Army officer.

"tragically there were more photographers and journalists at the mountains than the god feared marines."

Are you referring to Operation Anaconda where OBL was missed? How much do you know about this battle? There were no marine units involved.

"There has to be a limit to this murder by the millitary in afghanistan..."

I agree. Stop your minions from crossing the border and conducting attacks. America and 40 other nations are in Afghanistan because you couldn't manage a 5th world nation with a 10th world government...and still can't. The only slaughter in Afghanistan has come at the hands of the Soviets and their own who killed no less than 1.2 million muslims between 1980 and 1996.

"People why do you think I keep talking about the incompetence of the Bush heirarchy team"

I presume you do so to avoid the more unpleasant task of measuring your own failures with the same "ruthlessness". Hopefully, should you ever choose to do so you'll apply a tad more accuracy to your efforts. Pakistan needs all the help it can get starting with accurate information.

"A 20---50 years from now---when historians will be writing about the history of american invasion of afghanistan and iraq---the american generals and the millitary would be put to shame for their incompetence---with all the resources at their hands---with all the analysts at their disposal----with all the specialists dealing in reading the minds of people on their payroll----with the previous examples of afghanistan afghanis and afghan warlords acting against other afghanis and changing their loyalties for a lots of dollars----it was all there---the failure to understand all that deserved a black spot to be put in front of their achievement."

O.K. Nostradamus. We'll try to pre-plan the next 9/11 conspiracy better...

"Indeed american machinery of death and destruction..."

Oh my!!! The fancy word stuff now...Your Pakistani machinery of death and destruction has a noticable local reputation that seems to be exceeding our own. How many died last year in Afghanistan-2118 or so?

Care to count the dead arising from your nation's miscalculations on your own soil? Bet it was far more.

 

[MastanKhan]

" Tommy Franks was a U.S. Army officer.

Are you referring to Operation Anaconda where OBL was missed? How much do you know about this battle? There were no marine units involved" .

An idiot by any other name is an adiot and a killer by any other designation is a killer---

General---I have respected your presence over here for awhile, but don't let stupidity become your hallmark---if indeed you are a retd artillery officer---I pity the future of american forces for having incompetent and short sighted officers like yourself serving in the force---with all those **** and bull stories that used to be told to the public as to how pro-active the us forces and intelligence agencies were---as to much much research was done to understand and react against the known and unknown enemy---as to how much was being spent on understanding the ways and means of the enemy and takling appropriate action---it just all went through the window---.

General---you need to stop babbling---it is because of the failure of american forces in iraq---in afghanistan---there carefree careless I don't give a damn attitude that we are seeing this day---.

Stop blaming everyone else for the failures of your generals. Be a man---step up to the plate--accept that they failed---accept that they were incompetent and not fit or their jobs---accept that the loss of american soldiers lives were due to the incompetency of the leadership---step up to the plate general---be a man---take one for your soldier---accept that the brass let the american soldier down one more time---all these deaths and destruction were avoidable---next time keep the church away from the state---.

 

[ejaz007]

US to release $1 billion from accumulated Coalition Fund
ZAHEER ABBASI


ISLAMABAD (February 25 2009): Advisor to Prime Minister on Finance, Shaukat Tarin on Tuesday said that the United State will soon release $1 billion from piled up Coalition Support Fund created for war on terrorism. Talking to mediamen after the meeting of National Assembly Standing Committee on Finance, Tarin said that one billion dollars from Coalition Support Fund will be received by June and that would help in reducing the budget deficit.

The US had not paid anything to Pakistan for last nine months for its services as coalition partner in war on terror, he added. The meeting was scheduled to take up the issue of essentials price hike. The meeting was told that wheat production could be in the vicinity of 25 million tons this year but the country lacked storage capacity.

The advisor blamed both the international market as well as weak domestic market mechanism for high prices of food commodities. He said that the revival of magistrate system is needed to control prices at wholesale and retail level. The ministry of finance estimates that inflation will be 20 percent by June this year, currently it is more than 23 percent.

Replying to a questions, Tarin said that interest rate would be reduced once the inflation is under control. We are trying to bring down the inflation to a single digit by the year-end, he added. He referred to some positive signs in this connection particularly the Consumer Price Index (CPI) which he said was moving downwards for last couple of months.

The advisor said he would be leaving for Dubai to attend the International Monetary Fund review meeting. Pakistan, he said would also take up the matter for enhancing of loan quota from 5 to 8 percent in the IMF board meeting in Washington this year.

Earlier, in the meeting the government admitted that farmers are not getting the agreed price of Rs 1500 for the paddy. The advisor said corruption in the offices was increasing financial woes of farmers. Rice farmers mainly in Punjab are being paid less for super Basmati paddy.

He feared that if the measures are not taken, wheat growers might face the same situation as the country expects bumper wheat crop this year. Tarin expressed dissatisfaction over the performance of Passco and TCP and said that these departments need revamping. He said that the government is following the policy of deregulation, but the official monitoring of prices is needed to control cartelisation.

The advisor vowed to bring down the core inflation to single digit by December this year from prevailing 18 percent. However, he said that growth rate of 3.4 percent can be achieved this year due to higher agriculture production, but said it may not be possible to achieve revenue target of Rs 1.36 trillion.

The revenue collection is declining and this may increase the budget deficit. Responding to a question by Fauzia Wahab, chairperson of the committee, as to why the government was not passing on the benefit of low oil prices to consumers, Tarin said it was because of revenue shortfall.

He said that collection in terms of Petroleum Development Levy (PDL) was Rs 12 billion whereas shortfall in revenue is Rs 20 billion. This does not give the window of opportunity to the government to reduce oil prices, he added. The Ministry of Food and Agriculture underlined the need of a well-defined strategy for all the crops during its presentation.
Copyright Business Recorder, 2009

Business Recorder [Pakistan's First Financial Daily]

 

[S-2]

I'm no general so don't troll.

One long rant and utterly incoherant at that. Not worth the time to reply. I'm sorry to see the quality of your discourse digress to such an extent.

 

[belarusian]

actually incompetence of the generals is the least plausible explanation.

the limitations of fighting with a coalition are the biggest handicap. you pakistanis want to keep the taliban on the shelf for future contingencies. more us troops = more taliban sheltering in pakistan. you will have to store them awhile longer but on your own territory right next to the capitol so you will have to rethink that.

 

[Luftwaffe]

I would love to keep them for you guys..by the way just to update your knowledge these Taliban guys have changed their strategies back to terroristan aka Afghanistan for you guys they have finally realized its you who they want to beat down enjoy baseball down there.

 

[ejaz007]

actually incompetence of the generals is the least plausible explanation.

the limitations of fighting with a coalition are the biggest handicap. you pakistanis want to keep the taliban on the shelf for future contingencies. more us troops = more taliban sheltering in pakistan. you will have to store them awhile longer but on your own territory right next to the capitol so you will have to rethink that.

Americans have habbit of blaming others for their failures.

In Vietnam they invaded Cambodia because they were loosing war. In Iraq they blamed Syria and Iran for the turmoil. In Afghanistan they blame Pakistan.

Perhaps you should think hard really hard before invading others home.

 

[Neo]

American military aid for Pakistan short of money​

* Programme to train, equip 10,000 FC fighters underfunded by 73%
* Report says shortfall may slow down operations next month​

WASHINGTON: The US Defence Department effort to help Pakistan secure its border with Afghanistan and root out Taliban fighters is underfunded by as much as 73 percent – a budget shortfall so severe that it could slow down operations next month, according to a report released on Monday.

The conclusion, included in an assessment by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), highlights the stark challenges facing the Obama administration as it tries to salvage the war effort.

The Defence Department’s “Security Development Programme” is aimed at training and equipping more than 10,000 Frontier Corps personnel for counterinsurgency tasks and is considered a top priority among US officials.

The programme received $62.5 million so far this budget year, which began October 1. Defence officials say $167.5 million more are needed before the next budget year begins in eight months, according to the GAO.

The accountants do not say why the programme’s budget is in trouble. The report states only that as of the end of 2008, “no existing security assistance funds have been redirected” to the programme, and without “dedicated long-term funding” the training and equipping of Pakistani forces could slow down by March.

The Defence Department had no immediate comment.

According to the GAO, the United States has given Pakistan more than $12 billion in military and economic aid to tackle Al Qaeda and Taliban, but the threat remains and various US agencies still lack a coordinated strategy.

“Despite six years of US and Pakistani government efforts, Al Qaeda has regenerated its ability to attack the United States” and still finds a haven in Pakistan near its border, GAO reports. ap

 

[jeypore]

Hi,

Some are mad at me and want to insult me---some want to degrade my persona---ok---but when I see the reaction---I know that I have touched a raw nerve somewhere.

You see the u s millitary reaction to 9/11 came up short---reeked of incompetent management---rascist right wing religious ideological control over the mindset of the enforcers----but the most shocking part was the total incompetence of the u s millitary general staff---a general staff that was without a backbone---Tommy Franks---the man---as if Donald Rumsfeld the defence sec had shoved his fist up in the dark corners and pulled out the ramrod that kept the marine general up straight---by the time Rumsfeld was done with the rest of the command staff and following generals it felt like---the marine forces command staff building was something of a chicken coop.

I expected the army to be more prepared to fight the war in the early stages---more knowledgeable about the situation on the ground---more understanding about the minimal fighting capabilities of the enemy---more in tune with the deceit and deception of the afghan tribals---but no---when the time came to check the true metal of the world most advanced army---there was no doubt that they were technically a million and zillions times more superior to their stone age adversary---but tragically they came out so out of touch with reality when it came to putting feet on the ground in maintaining law and order---taking control of the situation and not letting the known and unknown enemies escape.

We are all paying the price for those 48 hours when the american general instead of thinking with his head---started using his feet---no---not on his feet---but with his feet---he let the tyrants and killers of 3000 americans get away without putting any visible effort to contain them----tragically there were more photographers and journalists at the mountains than the god feared marines.

People why do you think I keep talking about the incompetence of the Bush heirarchy team---because it is because of those idiots that whole of the world is suffering----a job that should have been done and completed in days and months has lingered on for years and retd and ex soldiers have a sob story to tell of their woes---it is time to accept MAJOR---that your millitary is extremely incompetent when it comes to conquering a nation---trust me we fear your destructive power---we fear the wrath of GOD---we fear the death and destruction that can fall down from the skies from the F 16 f 15 ---the pilot wants to go home---but wants to unload his weapons---we fear the troops on recon missions who can come to our house and do whatsoever to us---I fear just for the sake of fear that I may not speak out of turn to get expedited---.

There has to be a limit to this murder by the millitary in afghanistan---americans are not wanted---they need to go home---their presence is not going to solve any problems----they are a total failure---their presence to contain the extremists has been a total failure---their tactical and millitary approach has been a failure---.

A 20---50 years from now---when historians will be writing about the history of american invasion of afghanistan and iraq---the american generals and the millitary would be put to shame for their incompetence---with all the resources at their hands---with all the analysts at their disposal----with all the specialists dealing in reading the minds of people on their payroll----with the previous examples of afghanistan afghanis and afghan warlords acting against other afghanis and changing their loyalties for a lots of dollars----it was all there---the failure to understand all that deserved a black spot to be put in front of their achievement.

Indeed american machinery of death and destruction will be feared by one and all, but with my head bowed down with fear to my body and soul and for the welbeing of my children and family and my nation I may keep my eyes lowered and my posture weak and non-threatening---but in my mind I will always consider them as fools who wasted it all---brainless egomaniacs with the power of death and destruction over man.

Mr. Mastankhan,

you just have protraited a really false accusation here about Army being prepared or not. In the early stage as i recall, the strategy was to push taliban as well as al queda, which the Nato forces where highly successfull. The retreat for the taliban and al-queda was the tora bora mountains, which was a rough terrain and new strategy had to be implemented.

After the surge at the tora bora, the talibans and the al queda retreated to the pakistan border. Which now everyone believs it has found a safe haven. The American stratgist had the right plan to involve pakistan for just the occasion, to stop the taliban and al queda at the border. Since, this has not happen the blame game has naturalised.

In a Macro level what i see is that American's and Nato forces will have to fight small and highly maneuverable guerilla forces in Afganistan, which is a matter of putting more soldiers to accomplishing this goal.

Where i do not see a positive outcome is FATA and SWAT. Currently, since the only solution the GOP formulated was a peace treaty between taliban and Pakistanie Army. This is a slap in the face to the Americans, since al queda and taliban that formulated the plan for 911 are still alive and given a safe haven for plotting for more terror attacks. This one act clearly makes afganistan more unstable in future and will prolong the war even further.

Either the peace treaty represents the ineptatude of the Pakistan army of not doing there job properly or are imcompetent/ sympathic to the taliban. If imcompetent then Americans are gladely ready to step in these area to help, but that suggestion is clearly negated by the GoP, and the reasoning is Pakistanie souverntie (Which to me does not make any sense, since this is a global war on terror not local). The Americans have clearly shown the will to irredicate terrorism not Pakistan.

The more likely solution for the peace treaty is the sympathiser for the taliban. It is the genie in the bottle that the Pakistan clearly wants to keep for the future. The paranoia of the Pakistan army and intelligence agency is losing the Afganistan to India.

Overall, 20 to 50 years from know, the historian will say that we have lost the battle with the terrorist because of Pakistan, not America or NATO forces.

It is a dragon that has to be killed, not to appease with and make it a home pet.

 

[MastanKhan]

Jeypore,

Sir, you are mistaken. The war on terror started with the al qaeda and not the taliban. Even though afghanistan was ruled by the talibs---the americans dreamed that through their wam bam technique the taliban would be dispersed---the al qaeda would run away---and someone would sell Bin Laden for the 25 million dollars---. Oh only if american wishes could turn to horses---the the cavalry would come riding to the rescue at tora bora.

Him---Bin Laden was surrounded at tora bora---americans decided to cease fire and stop the charge with whatever forces they had----

The german did exactly the same thing in france----the british army had nowhere to run but into the english channel---and lo and behold---the germans stopped their offensive---gave the british enough time to escape---guess what---the rest is history---.

This is the same history that is going to be written of the americans in afghanistan---.

I have no love lost for the taliban---I would execute every single arab, chechen, uighar, uzbek etc etc, somali, kenyan, libyan, egyptian living in NWFP who supported taliban and al qaeda---but I am not for indiscriminate killing of pakistanis and afghans at any cost.

After 6 years of war---the americans have just learnt to send out a command staff officer to the scene of killing of afghans by the american forces by mistake to review---if true then apologize and pay the blood money---.

I know first hand how the americans bragged about their por-active approach, know thy enemy, know the mindset of the enemy, how they act and react, strike hard strike deep, take the enemy out before it has the time to re-group, block all the escape routes, and last but not the least----the famous saying of an american millitary general----unless there is no blood on the slope of the mountain, the mountain cannot be captured.

My bone of contention is that when the time came to apply all the talk the american millitary was bragging about for over years and years of traing----they fell on their faces---that is what their shame is---.

They provided every oppurtunity to Bin Laden to escape minimum 3 times from their grasp---to the utter dismay of the resources tracking him.

Pak army made massive strikes in the last 6 to 8 months in the frontier---what happened on the other side of the border in afghanistan----nothing---no american / nato troops on the other side to stop the talibs from escaping.

There is a chicken sh-t number of american troops in afghanistan----they have no control of the land beyond their bases----where is the priority to contain taliban and al-qaeda---why is there so much deceit and deception over the deployment of troops in that country---.

Schwarzkopf didnot want to enter the 1st gulf war with less tha 1/2 million troops just to drive the americans back---the americans entered iraq with 100k troops and screwed everything up.

It took them 4 years to realize that more troops would make the difference----it is taking them 6 years to realize the same in afghanistan----if there were 100k troops in afghanistan---does anyone think that the talibs won't be contained---absolutely they would be---no ifs and buts about it.

The bottomline over here is that the americans are the masters---and the people being killed in huge numbers are muslims----regardless of whose side they are on.

Time is americas enemy---time is the enemy of any invader who doesnot contain his enemy in the shortest possible duration and cut off their escaoe routes.

The problem over here is that S 2 who claims to be an artillery officer---" what does he know about war on the frontline line "---he is going to lob his bombs from 10/20/30 miles away and let the infantry rot in hell and fire.

The americans have been duped into coming to war unprepared by their very own generals and Donald Rumsfeld---.

You want the pak army to take the action---let america donate 60 plus F 16's BLK 52 on the chaklala air base tomorrow---the talibs will be slaughtered in days---america has totally screwed up---it had no clue how to turn pakistan's key---donate that number from its existing resource of F 16's today and there will be a blood bath of taliban on the streets of waziristan and swat---there will be no talib left.

Pak army sees no committment from america on the war against terror. One senator talks about increasing aid---then another starts talk about sanctions one more time---america needs to get its house in order first---this chicken sh-t gestures of 1 F 16 here and another there ain't going to make the difference.

Now--as far as swat is concerned---there is a way to do the govt's bidding----there has to be a media storm about containing the talibs in that area. I have certain ideas that I will try to post them in the next few days. They are nothing fancy---just certain basic things that need to be done which are not being followed through.

 

[ejaz007]

The Americans were never interested in capturing or killing Osama Bin Laden. That would end the war of terror.

They wanted to enter middle east and Afghanistan for oil and that they succeeded.

After that the resistance they encountered in Iraq and Afghanistan was not expected and hence they had not planned for it. They are still struggling to control it and shall have to exist atleast from one country. Lets wait and see which country that is.