What do you mean we should quit the blame-game mentality? Do you not agree that WoT has caused a severe drop in our growth? If there's something wrong, there's a need for everyone to admit it, not go to the liberal extreme (it's our fault always) or the other extreme (it's someone else's fault always).
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What do you mean we should quit the blame-game mentality? Do you not agree that WoT has caused a severe drop in our growth? If there's something wrong, there's a need for everyone to admit it, not go to the liberal extreme (it's our fault always) or the other extreme (it's someone else's fault always).
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u have created the monster and now u feeling the brunt..... many pakistanis feel proud about how they kicked ruskkies from afganistan... now same monter is back to haunt u and now u people blaming everything on US...you were the equal partner with US on this... that time u milked US very well.
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This is how India treats someone who commits genocide and mass murders of its own people; it reinstates him as Chief Minister, and then campaigns for his bid to be the Prime Minister of the country.
Presenting:
Narendra Modi!!!
He has also transformed the economy of Gujrat into a powerhouse, pulling millions out of poverty, im sure that justifies some sweets. Let me know when you find even one leader in Pakistan that has done even 10% of what he has done in Gujrat.
Without WoT this crap doesn't happen. We were forced into it. That's the point. Hoping for the quickest US defeat and humiliation in Afghanistan so they can get the **** out.
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mate !!! u have to reap what u sow..that is the golden rule..
Are u sure US defeat in is your favor and how it is ?? any repeat of 9/11 on US soil will have severe consequences which will be beyond imagination... US defeat means Taliban victory..which is not good for u either.. any repeat of 9/11 and pakistan will be the first target.
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Dude, all this wouldn't be happening without US invasion. That's the point, for the 100th time. US was equally involved (if not more) in the war. What did they face for it?
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WoT is the leading cause of drop in growth. Other things are problematic, yes. But WoT is our biggest issue at this point.
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u forget.. they lost 2000 people in one go !! because of the monster they had created .. now its ur turned to face the heat...... nobody can absolve from their sin.. as on economy front they had some hundreds billions of dollar losses because of 9/11 .. as compared to 50 bn dollars that you guys have lost..
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In around the 1940’s Sadar Patel went to Gandhi to talk about regional matters and the rise of the Muslim league. As the time the call for Pakistan was new and Jinnah was still very much towards a united India. Sardar Patel was very curious about this new call for an independent state for muslims and wanted to discuss this with Gandhi.
So he sat down and asked Gandhi what his view were on this issue. While Gandhi kept silent for most of the time, citing the need for more time to think about the issue, Patel formed a very interesting theory. Patel observed how a vast number of Indian soldiers serving under the British were Muslims. He said that because of the presence of the British, conflict between the Muslim and hindu soldiers was not allowed to escalate and that when the British leave the situation will take a steep dive.
Patel argued that the norms of the muslim society were so strong even at that time that it will not let an independent government run properly. He argued in favour for the partition citing that a country with a majority muslim population which had a large military background will fall into distress shortly after creation anyways. Patel said as India’s huge landmass will not let one religion dominate the government, a country in the proposed size of Pakistan will not be able to function as a democracy because of the heavy reliance on religion as a bonding factor. While Gandhi dismissed Patel’s theory at that time, one can say whatever Patel said came true. Pakistan fell into military rule shortly after its creation and has never recovered from the grips of the army. Patel had categorically said partition will favour India hugely and will help Indian leaders control the population effectively. The rest as they say is history.
The whole point of this post is that Pakistan’s foundations are weak and flawed therefore it will always face the problems it faces today. The two nation theory was wrong from the start and it hasn’t allowed Pakistan to function as a state till now. The WOT is just a symptom, the real illness is in the very structure of Pakistan society where even a murderer of a governor is hailed as a religious hero. Jinnah was a popular leader but never a visionary, he took no steps to curb the land lords even when he knew that Nehru was eliminating them in India at the same time. Nehru took concrete steps to extablish a strong democratic identity and ensure the governments grip over the armed forces where on the other side his Pakistani counterpart did nothing like that. Jinnah very much knew about his illness but even then left no proper success for his political dynasty and left a nation without a leader and without even a proper vision on why Pakistan was created. Even till today arguments rage on in terms of the meaning of Pakistan, is that a land for muslims or is it supposed to be secular in nature ? The WOT excuse will only buy you time, once this is over something else will start.
If you would like to know more about this theory, please read the book “India wins Freedom” written by Mulana Abdul Kalam Azad, where he explains this conversation between Gandhi and Patel as well as his view on Pakistan from an Indian muslim point of view.
So he sat down and asked Gandhi what his view were on this issue. While Gandhi kept silent for most of the time, citing the need for more time to think about the issue, Patel formed a very interesting theory. Patel observed how a vast number of Indian soldiers serving under the British were Muslims. He said that because of the presence of the British, conflict between the Muslim and hindu soldiers was not allowed to escalate and that when the British leave the situation will take a steep dive.
Patel argued that the norms of the muslim society were so strong even at that time that it will not let an independent government run properly. He argued in favour for the partition citing that a country with a majority muslim population which had a large military background will fall into distress shortly after creation anyways. Patel said as India’s huge landmass will not let one religion dominate the government, a country in the proposed size of Pakistan will not be able to function as a democracy because of the heavy reliance on religion as a bonding factor. While Gandhi dismissed Patel’s theory at that time, one can say whatever Patel said came true. Pakistan fell into military rule shortly after its creation and has never recovered from the grips of the army. Patel had categorically said partition will favour India hugely and will help Indian leaders control the population effectively. The rest as they say is history.
The whole point of this post is that Pakistan’s foundations are weak and flawed therefore it will always face the problems it faces today. The two nation theory was wrong from the start and it hasn’t allowed Pakistan to function as a state till now. The WOT is just a symptom, the real illness is in the very structure of Pakistan society where even a murderer of a governor is hailed as a religious hero. Jinnah was a popular leader but never a visionary, he took no steps to curb the land lords even when he knew that Nehru was eliminating them in India at the same time. Nehru took concrete steps to extablish a strong democratic identity and ensure the governments grip over the armed forces where on the other side his Pakistani counterpart did nothing like that. Jinnah very much knew about his illness but even then left no proper success for his political dynasty and left a nation without a leader and without even a proper vision on why Pakistan was created. Even till today arguments rage on in terms of the meaning of Pakistan, is that a land for muslims or is it supposed to be secular in nature ? The WOT excuse will only buy you time, once this is over something else will start.
If you would like to know more about this theory, please read the book “India wins Freedom” written by Mulana Abdul Kalam Azad, where he explains this conversation between Gandhi and Patel as well as his view on Pakistan from an Indian muslim point of view.
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Yeah, and this is how Pakistan treats its only Nobel Prize winner, its only beacon in the otherwise absent and scientifically non-existent community by rubbing off the rightful religious symbolism (the word Muslim ) from his Tombstone.This is how India treats someone who commits genocide and mass murders of its own people; it reinstates him as Chief Minister, and then campaigns for his bid to be the Prime Minister of the country.
Presenting:
Narendra Modi!!!
At least we don't treat our scientific community with such Disgrace. And this is precisely why, we see Extremist infiltrations in almost every sphere of the Pakistani society.
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That is bad.Yeah, and this is how Pakistan treats its only Nobel Prize winner, its only beacon in the otherwise absent and scientifically non-existent community by rubbing off the rightful religious symbolism (the word Muslim ) from his Tombstone.
At least we don't treat our scientific community with such Disgrace. And this is precisely why, we see Extremist infiltrations in almost every sphere of the Pakistani society.
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WOT a double edged sword for GOP.
The military hope to keep it going cause they get $1.5 billion in aid frm USA which they can use to buy weapons.
But the WOT is increasingly diluting growth prospects as the WEST and other strong global powers run away from FDI in Pakistan.
IT STUNTS PAK real potential.
Whose really to blame ##
The World including USA or India
The people of Pakistan
Previous regimes
OR PAK ARMY & ISI
The military hope to keep it going cause they get $1.5 billion in aid frm USA which they can use to buy weapons.
But the WOT is increasingly diluting growth prospects as the WEST and other strong global powers run away from FDI in Pakistan.
IT STUNTS PAK real potential.
Whose really to blame ##
The World including USA or India
The people of Pakistan
Previous regimes
OR PAK ARMY & ISI
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It is precisely this mentality of living in denial about the Frankenstein monster nurtured and sheltered by the PA that has come back to devor Pakistan ; Refusing to accept that the WoT was necessary to avoid Pakistan being bombed back to stone age is just an indicator of how disconnected are Pakistanis from reality.
This may not look central to you, but this is the crux of the problem Pakistan will face now ; If Pakistan succumbs and refuses to be drawn in the WoT, then the flame of extremism will be fanned to produce many more Quadris and the liberals will begin a mass exodus from Pakistan ultimately reducing it to an Afghanistan-like situation.
Hence, it is imperative for Pakistan's own benefit to rise up to the occasion and crush the jihadist vermin once and for all.
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