Pakistan repeats call for fencing Afghan border

[Omar1984]

So what do you want entire collection of maps of Afghanistan before 1893?

Allergic to the word 'India'? LOL..

Quit trolling. I could care less how the maps were thousands of years ago or even hundreds of years ago.

As of 2009, Pakistan claims the following:



As of 2009, the world claims the following (solid line are international borders, dotted line is Line of Control):

We all know the map above is true, it doesn't matter what map you are dreaming of.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

My dear it is me who is posting the maps, you think I did not know about it until today? This was something that had to be resolved when British were leaving the country. Now it is more than 60 years and if Afghans have some problem, they can always go to UN. Until than this issue is no issue.

Behind ever-old disputes of 20th century there is a British hand example: Middle East or Sub Continent.
They wanted the world to be divided on land disputes for ever so looking at old maps will bring good to no one.

 

[ironman]

Quit trolling. I could care less how the maps were thousands of years ago or even hundreds of years ago.

As of 2009, Pakistan claims the following:

As of 2009, the world claims the following (solid line are international borders, dotted line is Line of Control):

We all know the map above is true, it doesn't matter what map you are dreaming of.

Oh god... Learn your country's history kid.. You can make it more solid with the help of a pencil

 

[Coolyo]

Oh god... Learn your country's history kid.. You can make it more solid with the help of a pencil

What an irrelevant and useless post (just like all of your posts on this thread)! It seems like you Indians only know how to spread misinformation and propaganda.

And when you can't come up with any more nonsense, you start insulting people...

 

[waraich66]

Well said! This should be our decision to make, ours only!
"Either you're with us or you're against us".

Afghanistan has boundary conflict with Pakistan, may be that is reason.

 

[Patriot]

Last time we tried to fence the ANA got US Army backup so we could not do it.I think US should not ***** about insurgents if it cannot allow us to seal the border.Let us withdraw from there and then seal the border..the bastards (ANA) can be taken care of with few A5's/JF-17 equipped with bombs and they will never come near border again.

 

[Fracker]

Just fence the boarder damnt, why the hell we need USA for this? It is our national security matter, why should we bother what stupid karzai think, or USA think. If karzai is worried about the people death while crossing the boarder then he should know, pakistan immigration Law, and should also know if he is backing those people then is also convict of crime, according to Pakistani Law.

Lastly, KINDLY PM, just don't beg your lord a.k.a US, let Army to fence the whole boarder.

 

[ironman]

What an irrelevant and useless post (just like all of your posts on this thread)! It seems like you Indians only know how to spread misinformation and propaganda.

And when you can't come up with any more nonsense, you start insulting people...

Mate I am not against fencing. I only said you cannot fence an imaginary border. If you not aware Pakistan had tried this several times but failed to negotiate with Afghanistan.

 

[IceCold]

The only reason we keep asking and i think AN is right on it if we have the money we should do it, but should not think of sending our bill to the US or NATO. Its as simple as that. India has done it on its own, Israel has done it on its own and we to should do it on our own. The only reason we keep on asking the US is because we want US approval so that we also get the US funding which is pathetic to say the least on our part, the GOP's part.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Mate I am not against fencing. I only said you cannot fence an imaginary border. If you not aware Pakistan had tried this several times but failed to negotiate with Afghanistan.

From wiki, since it was easy to quote all the arguments from one source:

Afghanistan's loya jirga or 'tribal court' of 1949 declared the Durand Line invalid as they saw it as ex parte on their side (since British India ceased to exist in 1947 with the independence of Pakistan). This had no tangible effect as there has never been a move to enforce such a declaration due to long periods of constant wars with other neighbours in the region. And most importantly, there was no time limit mentioned in the Durand Treaty. Additionally, world courts have universally upheld uti possidetis juris, i.e, binding bilateral agreements with or between colonial powers are "passed down" to successor independent states, as with most of Africa. A unilateral declaration by one party has no effect; boundary changes must be made bilaterally. Thus, the Durand Line boundary remains in effect today as the international boundary between Afghanistan and Pakistan, and is recognized as such by most nations. Despite pervasive internet rumors to the contrary, US Department of State and the British Foreign Commonwealth Office documents and spokespersons have confirmed that the Durand Line, like virtually all international boundaries, has no expiration date, nor is there any mention of such in any Durand Line documents.[1][2][3] The 1921 treaty expiration refers only to the 1921 agreements.
Durand Line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Afghan arguments, and the arguments in the article you posted, have no basis in international law. The world legally recognizes the Durand line as the international border, and the only way it could be changed is through bilateral negotiation between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The Durand agreement itself has no mention of any need of 'ratification from the Afghan parliament' - its just another bogus excuse made up to justify the Afghan claim over Pakistani territory.

Agreement between Amir Abdur Rahman Khan, G. C. S. I., and Sir Henry Mortimer Durand, K. C. I. E., C. S. I.

Whereas certain questions have arisen regarding the frontier of Afghanistan on the side of India, and whereas both His Highness the Amir and the Government of India are desirous of settling these questions by friendly understanding, and of fixing the limit of their respective spheres of influence, so that for the future there may be no difference of opinion on the subject between the allied Governments, it is hereby agreed as follows:

1. The eastern and southern frontier of his Highness’s dominions, from Wakhan to the Persian border, shall follow the line shown in the map attached to this agreement.

2. The Government of India will at no time exercise interference in the territories lying beyond this line on the side of Afghanistan, and His Highness the Amir will at no time exercise interference in the territories lying beyond this line on the side of India.

3. The British Government thus agrees to His Highness the Amir retaining Asmar and the valley above it, as far as Chanak. His Highness agrees, on the other hand, that he will at no time exercise interference in Swat, Bajaur, or Chitral, including the Arnawai or Bashgal valley. The British Government also agrees to leave to His Highness the Birmal tract as shown in the detailed map already given to his Highness, who relinquishes his claim to the rest of the Waziri country and Dawar. His Highness also relinquishes his claim to Chageh.

4. The frontier line will hereafter be laid down in detail and demarcated, wherever this may be practicable and desirable, by joint British and Afghan commissioners, whose object will be to arrive by mutual understanding at a boundary which shall adhere with the greatest possible exactness to the line shown in the map attached to this agreement, having due regard to the existing local rights of villages adjoining the frontier.

5. With reference to the question of Chaman, the Amir withdraws his objection to the new British cantonment and concedes to the British Governmeni the rights purchased by him in the Sirkai Tilerai water. At this part of the frontier the line will be drawn as follows:

From the crest of the Khwaja Amran range near the Psha Kotal, which remains in British territory, the line will run in such a direction as to leave Murgha Chaman and the Sharobo spring to Afghanistan, and to pass half-way between the New Chaman Fort and the Afghan outpost known locally as Lashkar Dand. The line will then pass half-way between the railway station and the hill known as the Mian Baldak, and, turning south-wards, will rejoin the Khwaja Amran range, leaving the Gwasha Post in British territory, and the road to Shorawak to the west and south of Gwasha in Afghanistan. The British Government will not exercise any interference within half a mile of the road.

6. The above articles of' agreement are regarded by the Government of India and His Highness the Amir of Afghanistan as a full and satisfactory settlement of all the principal differences of opinion which have arisen between them in regard to the frontier; and both the Government of India and His Highness the Amir undertake that any differences of detail, such as those which will have to be considered hereafter by the officers appointed to demarcate the boundary line, shall be settled in a friendly spirit, so as to remove for the future as far as possible all causes of doubt and misunderstanding between the two Governments.

7. Being fully satisfied of His Highness’s goodwill to the British Government, and wishing to see Afghanistan independent and strong, the Government of India will raise no objection to the purchase and import by His Highness of munitions of war, and they will themselves grant him some help in this respect. Further, in order to mark their sense of the friendly spirit in which His Highness the Amir has entered into these negotiations, the Government of India undertake to increase by the sum of six lakhs of rupees a year the subsidy of twelve lakhs now granted to His Highness.

H. M. Durand,
Amir Abdur Rahman Khan.

Kabul, November 12, 1893.
Khyber.ORG :: Durand Line Agreement, 1893

 

[The Patriot]

I am a Pashtoon and belong to NWFP. And let me tell you we dont want to part of Afghanistan ever. I know most of Pashtoons dont even of this Durand line thing. We are proud Pakistani. And this part has never been part of Afghanistan historically. It was and is part of indus valley civilization. And there are more Pashtoons in Pakistan than in Afghanistan. We are ready to have Afghanistan as our province but not otherwise. Pls dont post such crap here.
Pakistan Zindabad

 

[muse]

Why repeat calls?? If there is conviction Just go ahead and do it. I don't agree with fenching the entrie border, even if it were possible, but if the political elite is determined, just go ahead and do it - why set up U.S to take the fall. You do realize it's a set up, don't you?

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Anyway if thats too tough just do a google search and type durand line + tribal loyalties. Just to help you, the tribes there donot care about the Durand Line, Pakistan or Afghanistan.

I would agree with this coz some people which i know are from waziristan say that they have famallies in afghanistan and they often go there with ease .People come to Pakistan from Afghanistan without any difficulty.

As for fencing the border is concern i think it will be a tough challange. Its not that easy to fence the border with all those deadly loop holes. The another thing is smuglling. Many influential people in NWFP and Balochistan are linked with smuglling and they they also dont like the fencing idea.

So there are alot of hurdles in Fencing the PAK-Afghan Border But lets hope the GOP gets through this Challange.
The best thing would be Army building the Fence and then mining it Plus developing heavy Bunkers Backed by Light Artillary and the PAF providing Air Patroll through jets flying at low altitude.

Anybody trying to cross it should be Anhiliated.

 

[khanz]

why the hell are we even repeating calls ? we don't need permission from a-stan go ahead and build it and mine and station soldiers there too afghan army can't do shyte they found that out in the 60s.

 

[ironman]

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