Pakistan Reaches Out for Russian Arms

[PakSniper]

Pakistan Reaches Out for Russian Arms

The Pakistani Defense Ministry is to make a decision by the end of the month on the purchase of Russian Mi-17 transport helicopters. Pakistan also has plans to get Chinese J-10 fighters with Russian engines. Pakistan is ready to renew direct military technical cooperation with Russia, to which India is opposed.

The purchasing department of the Pakistani Defense Ministry will announce the results of a tender for the delivery of ten Mi-17 transport helicopters this month. The ministry wants only that model of helicopter, and insists that the provider have certification an original producer. Only OAO OPK Oboronprom in Ulan-Ude fits that bill. That company provided Pakistan with three of the same helicopters last year. A Pakistani delegation will visit that enterprise in the coming weeks, and see the Kazan Helicopter Plant and the Klimov Plant in St. Petersburg.

Since India is a long-time Russian strategic military-technical partner, Russia has limited its sales to Pakistan to multipurpose equipment. In post-Soviet times, Russia has supplied about 50 Mi-8 helicopters and its modernized version the Mi-17. Now Pakistan is suggesting direct military technical ties. Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz commented that “Russia is a world power and we look at it as a global player. I suggest that global players should never make their relations with one country dependent on relations with another.”

The Russian government will soon have to decide on the re-export of Russian airplane engines to Pakistan again. Islamabad will soon sign a contract with Beijing on the purchase of 36 J-10 fighter jets (otherwise known as FC-20) for delivery by the end of next year. Experts say the deal will cost Pakistan around $1.5 billion. The planes will be equipped with AL-31FN engines made by the Russian MMP Salyut. Last month, Beijing reached an agreement with Moscow of 150 RD-93 engines to Pakistan by China. That deal was approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin personally.

http://www.kommersant.com/p764200/arms_trade_Pakistan/

 

[ahussains]

Pakistan Reaches Out for Russian Arms

The Pakistani Defense Ministry is to make a decision by the end of the month on the purchase of Russian Mi-17 transport helicopters. Pakistan also has plans to get Chinese J-10 fighters with Russian engines. Pakistan is ready to renew direct military technical cooperation with Russia, to which India is opposed.

The purchasing department of the Pakistani Defense Ministry will announce the results of a tender for the delivery of ten Mi-17 transport helicopters this month. The ministry wants only that model of helicopter, and insists that the provider have certification an original producer. Only OAO OPK Oboronprom in Ulan-Ude fits that bill. That company provided Pakistan with three of the same helicopters last year. A Pakistani delegation will visit that enterprise in the coming weeks, and see the Kazan Helicopter Plant and the Klimov Plant in St. Petersburg.

Since India is a long-time Russian strategic military-technical partner, Russia has limited its sales to Pakistan to multipurpose equipment. In post-Soviet times, Russia has supplied about 50 Mi-8 helicopters and its modernized version the Mi-17. Now Pakistan is suggesting direct military technical ties. Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz commented that “Russia is a world power and we look at it as a global player. I suggest that global players should never make their relations with one country dependent on relations with another.”

The Russian government will soon have to decide on the re-export of Russian airplane engines to Pakistan again. Islamabad will soon sign a contract with Beijing on the purchase of 36 J-10 fighter jets (otherwise known as FC-20) for delivery by the end of next year. Experts say the deal will cost Pakistan around $1.5 billion. The planes will be equipped with AL-31FN engines made by the Russian MMP Salyut. Last month, Beijing reached an agreement with Moscow of 150 RD-93 engines to Pakistan by China. That deal was approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin personally.

http://www.kommersant.com/p764200/arms_trade_Pakistan/

Some good changes on the Russians sides i think the time comes again to change the pasts mistakes we done ... Russians build the Pakistan Steel and Faugi Fertilizers as they make the Promise in the past they never let down there words...
We have to move towards them but FAST .... they need the Port in the past they also need it know give them and get the advantage ....

 

[Neo]

Great timing I'd say!
I bet we'll enter Russian arms market before the end of this decade.

 

[Keysersoze]

I have no objection to diversification of arms supply. However i hope we do not start using them as a primary supplier for major purchases. the MI-17 is a good purchase as a medium lift helicopter that is perfect as it is simple, rugged and powerful in its role. However if Pak were to go for say a Russian attack helo I would object as it would not be as good as a western contemporary.

 

[Neo]

Keys, somehow I was under the impression that PAF Mi-17 were purchsed in Ukraine with a waiver from Moscow since we're not on the export list.
Is that correct?

 

[Keysersoze]

Keys, somehow I was under the impression that PAF Mi-17 were purchsed in Ukraine with a waiver from Moscow since we're not on the export list.
Is that correct?

Well according to most sources it was a deal with Russia. The helicopters were delivered from a Russian factory. That was in 2004

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/2-2004/ff/itr/

 

[Neo]

Thats curious, India stopped us from purchasing some old Mig-29's as agressors from Ukraine but didn't try to stop Russia?
Maybe coz Mi-17 is not an offensive platform?

 

[Keysersoze]

Thats curious, India stopped us from purchasing some old Mig-29's as agressors from Ukraine but didn't try to stop Russia?
Maybe coz Mi-17 is not an offensive platform?

Well the aggressors were not blocked as they have been in use for a while. I guess because helicopters are not subject to the same issues tht offensive weapons are. Even if the Russians had said no here there are plenty of options for helicopters in the world

 

[Interceptor]

J-10 are expensive 1 plane costs about $41.67 Million, is this more expensive then the F-16 how much is the F-16?

 

[Keysersoze]

J-10 are expensive 1 plane costs about $41.67 Million, is this more expensive then the F-16 how much is the F-16?

Where did you get that price?

I very much doubt that is the price for a J-10.

 

[Interceptor]

Where did you get that price?

I very much doubt that is the price for a J-10.

Keys, I just calculated it ill show the working out 1.5E9/36=41.66666667E6 which is 41.67E6 i.e $41.67 million.

 

[Interceptor]

I just googled for the J-10 price Wiki results agreeing with me. In fact the price for the J-10 to Pakistan is slightly more expensive then the price shown on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-10

 

[PakSniper]

1. Wiki not a good source.
2. China never revealed their price.
3. What PAF is getting in the deal is spares/logistical support/training/weapons.
4. If PAF is going to turn it into a Western input fighter it will cost more / close to $ 40 Mill.

Until, we take deliver and see what we get exactly we can't determine the price of the plane.

 

[Keysersoze]

Keys, I just calculated it ill show the working out 1.5E9/36=41.66666667E6 which is 41.67E6 i.e $41.67 million.

Well the next question should be......where did you get the price from since they have not yet signed the deal, Secondly if the price is accurate then it will include infrastructure elements as well as weaponry.

 

[Interceptor]

Islamabad will soon sign a contract with Beijing on the purchase of 36 J-10 fighter jets (otherwise known as FC-20) for delivery by the end of next year. Experts say the deal will cost Pakistan around $1.5 billion.

Thats where I found the total price.

Yeah I know Wiki isn't a good source however, I was in search of the Price so I stumbled on the Wiki having a similar price to the one calculated.