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Pakistan likely played a crucial role in persuading a reluctant Taliban to enter into tentative peace talks with its American and Afghan government foes, experts said here.

For more than two years, the United States has been promoting the idea of negotiations free of preconditions with little result, as Taliban insurgents seemed unwilling to risk talking to their adversaries, particularly Afghan leaders in Kabul.

But Pakistan, which has deep links to the Afghan Taliban, appears to have forced them to come to the table, clearing the way for negotiations after numerous false starts, said Scott Smith, a former UN official who worked in Afghanistan.

“One thing that changed was the Pakistani support for it (peace talks),” Smith told AFP. “At some level there’s a shift.”

The move comes from a newly-elected government in Pakistan, which faces its own battle with extremists at home and may have calculated that the Afghan Taliban needed to be reined in next door, experts said.

“You have a deterioration of the situation in Pakistan,” said Smith, referring to violence from militants inside Pakistan.

“Maybe they’ve made a calculation it’s getting too dicey,” he said.

Islamabad’s support for peace talks “may not be a change in policy, but it’s definitely a deliberate decision on their part to have the Taliban go this far,” he said.

US officials made a point of crediting Pakistan for helping to clear the way for the dialogue, which will see US and Taliban representatives meet as early this week.

Not long ago Islamabad was accused by Afghan officials of sabotaging an earlier reconciliation initiative with Saudi Arabia as mediator, as Pakistan reportedly felt sidelined.

“Pakistan has been very important in this because Pakistan has always been and will always be a potential deal spoiler,” said Jonah Blank, a senior political scientist at the RAND Corporation think tank.

“Any deal it wants to crush it can do so quite easily.”

For the Taliban, peace talks are fraught with risk, potentially sapping the morale of fighters, sowing divisions among leaders and undermining its propaganda, according to the diplomat who will be leading the US delegation, James Dobbins.

“The Taliban leadership is fighting a war with a view to reimposing a religiously based form of government rooted in an extreme interpretation,” Dobbins wrote in a report he co-authored before he returned to the State Department.

“Engaging in negotiations for something short of that goal undercuts the purity of that message,” said the report.

The talks are coinciding with the gradual withdrawal of US-led forces, which ironically poses a dilemma for the insurgents, as they risk being perceived by Afghans as merely another armed faction that threatens civilians, said Smith.

“They have portrayed themselves as opponents of a foreign occupation. But with foreign troops leaving, they’re going to have to make clear what do they stand for,” he said.

Peace talks from their new office in Doha may offer a way for the Taliban to adapt, offering the insurgents a means of gaining what they crave, a bit of international legitimacy. And they also will be interested in trying win the freedom of senior figures held at the US prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

As for Washington, the US holds bargaining chips in the form of detainees in its custody and its military presence now and in the future.

The United States has been quietly working to kick-start peace talks since Barack Obama entered the White House in 2009, though it had initially pinned hopes on a stepped up military campaign to prod the Taliban to negotiations.

Then in February 2011, the United States announced Washington would no longer insist on preconditions for talks.

While Pakistan will be expected to serve as a broker for the Taliban, the United States will be playing a similar role for Kabul and its mercurial president, Hamid Karzai, who has reservations about the Doha initiative.

Karzai fears that over time, the Taliban could exploit its Doha platform to paint themselves as a government-in-exile, and he said Tuesday the discussions should be moved to Afghanistan as soon as possible.

But the Taliban will resist that idea and US officials do not want to see disputes over the venue derail the process.

“You could have a breakdown over that issue fairly early on,” Smith said.

Pakistan pushed Afghan insurgents to the table: Experts – The Express Tribune
 
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Pakistan likely played a crucial role in persuading a reluctant Taliban to enter into tentative peace talks with its American and Afghan government foes, experts said here.

For more than two years, the United States has been promoting the idea of negotiations free of preconditions with little result, as Taliban insurgents seemed unwilling to risk talking to their adversaries, particularly Afghan leaders in Kabul.

But Pakistan, which has deep links to the Afghan Taliban, appears to have forced them to come to the table, clearing the way for negotiations after numerous false starts, said Scott Smith, a former UN official who worked in Afghanistan.

“One thing that changed was the Pakistani support for it (peace talks),” Smith told AFP. “At some level there’s a shift.”

The move comes from a newly-elected government in Pakistan, which faces its own battle with extremists at home and may have calculated that the Afghan Taliban needed to be reined in next door, experts said.

“You have a deterioration of the situation in Pakistan,” said Smith, referring to violence from militants inside Pakistan.

“Maybe they’ve made a calculation it’s getting too dicey,” he said.

Islamabad’s support for peace talks “may not be a change in policy, but it’s definitely a deliberate decision on their part to have the Taliban go this far,” he said.

US officials made a point of crediting Pakistan for helping to clear the way for the dialogue, which will see US and Taliban representatives meet as early this week.

Not long ago Islamabad was accused by Afghan officials of sabotaging an earlier reconciliation initiative with Saudi Arabia as mediator, as Pakistan reportedly felt sidelined.

“Pakistan has been very important in this because Pakistan has always been and will always be a potential deal spoiler,” said Jonah Blank, a senior political scientist at the RAND Corporation think tank.

“Any deal it wants to crush it can do so quite easily.”

For the Taliban, peace talks are fraught with risk, potentially sapping the morale of fighters, sowing divisions among leaders and undermining its propaganda, according to the diplomat who will be leading the US delegation, James Dobbins.

“The Taliban leadership is fighting a war with a view to reimposing a religiously based form of government rooted in an extreme interpretation,” Dobbins wrote in a report he co-authored before he returned to the State Department.

“Engaging in negotiations for something short of that goal undercuts the purity of that message,” said the report.

The talks are coinciding with the gradual withdrawal of US-led forces, which ironically poses a dilemma for the insurgents, as they risk being perceived by Afghans as merely another armed faction that threatens civilians, said Smith.

“They have portrayed themselves as opponents of a foreign occupation. But with foreign troops leaving, they’re going to have to make clear what do they stand for,” he said.

Peace talks from their new office in Doha may offer a way for the Taliban to adapt, offering the insurgents a means of gaining what they crave, a bit of international legitimacy. And they also will be interested in trying win the freedom of senior figures held at the US prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

As for Washington, the US holds bargaining chips in the form of detainees in its custody and its military presence now and in the future.

The United States has been quietly working to kick-start peace talks since Barack Obama entered the White House in 2009, though it had initially pinned hopes on a stepped up military campaign to prod the Taliban to negotiations.

Then in February 2011, the United States announced Washington would no longer insist on preconditions for talks.

While Pakistan will be expected to serve as a broker for the Taliban, the United States will be playing a similar role for Kabul and its mercurial president, Hamid Karzai, who has reservations about the Doha initiative.

Karzai fears that over time, the Taliban could exploit its Doha platform to paint themselves as a government-in-exile, and he said Tuesday the discussions should be moved to Afghanistan as soon as possible.

But the Taliban will resist that idea and US officials do not want to see disputes over the venue derail the process.

“You could have a breakdown over that issue fairly early on,” Smith said.

Pakistan pushed Afghan insurgents to the table: Experts – The Express Tribune
I don't think so Afghan Taliban don't trust Pakistan Armed Forces so they would not listen to what Pakistan has to say related to their actions in Afghanistan or what they should do
 
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It is really happening!!?? 57 Countries against 1 Taliban! Wow...

And we are told not to negotiate with our side of the Taliban..
 
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Yes look at that? Our fake liberals call them terrorists or whatever but the world has recognized they need to talk. That recognition is enough to make them legitimate force.

Wasn't Musharraf asking to negotiate since 2002. It was America that forced the region into war.

Imran Khan has been vindicated and the 'liberal and secular' parties in Pakistan who are nothing but suckers of the West are exposed having no imagination and no vision.
 
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I don't think so Afghan Taliban don't trust Pakistan Armed Forces so they would not listen to what Pakistan has to say related to their actions in Afghanistan or what they should do

I agree with you. Just In watched General Hamid Gul on Dawn News Tv. He stated that USA kept Pakistan out of negotiations between Taliban and US. He further went on to say that USA did right thing to keep Pakistan out of negotiations otherwise Iran, India, Uzbukestan, Turkeministan and other neighbouring countries of Afghanistan would have interfered in Afghan affairs!
 
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While Pakistan will be expected to serve as a broker for the Taliban, the United States will be playing a similar role for Kabul and its mercurial president, Hamid Karzai, who has reservations about the Doha initiative.


Lets not misrepresent - Is Pakistan the broker of the Taliban?? If yes, then it means Pakistan can influence the Talib and yet is fighting the Talib in Pakistan?

Some respond by saying that the Pakistani franchise of the Talib is different, and yet the TTP claim Mullah Omar as it's Emir?

Something here does not add up.
 
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Lets not misrepresent - Is Pakistan the broker of the Taliban?? If yes, then it means Pakistan can influence the Talib and yet is fighting the Talib in Pakistan?

Some respond by saying that the Pakistani franchise of the Talib is different, and yet the TTP claim Mullah Omar as it's Emir?

Something here does not add up.

Both of these Talibans have alot of difference, sometimes PA isn't even fighting the Taliban in FATA. THe TTP itself has alot of splinter groups, operating with a certain degree of autonomy.

TTP call Mullah Omar Emir of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan if I am not wrong...not their Emir.

Remember, there were reports of a imminent clash b/w the two a few days back.

This is one messy situation.
 
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TTP call Mullah Omar Emir of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan if I am not wrong...not their Emir.
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I think if you will recall, the entire purpose of the TTP was to fight the US/NATO in Afghanistan.
 
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That doesn't hold true presently, does it?

That's why I said that something does not add up --- I think it's important to be cautious of the kind of US statements which suggest that Pakistan is acting as a broker of the Taliban - while some may think this is praise, it's really a set up to blackmail if at any time it becomes necessary to make the case that Pakistan owns the Taliban
 
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Why isn't Pakistan involved in the talks?

And then Mr Karzai is upset over the joint US and Taliban announcement that they would begin preliminary peace talks in Qatar without the Afghan government. He is so pissed that he has declared that his High Peace Council would "neither attend nor participate in the talks".

WTF is going on? How can there only be a bilateral meeting without the key players attending? Waste of time and effort.
 
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Mate, the ones in Afghanistan NEVER were affiliated with the TTP. TTP may say whatever they want. TTP is a non-homogenous mix of retards from all over (Mahsuds/Arabs(Legacy)/Chechens+Tajiks(infiltrators),Punjabis etc etc), while the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan DO NOT accept anyone other than one of their own to join their ranks.

Yes they may have sheltered a few virulent-arabs, but that was in the past. No more. Once things settle, it will be a homogenous force. No lower-life-forms such as Mahsuds and likes of TTP can gain entry.

Lets not misrepresent - Is Pakistan the broker of the Taliban?? If yes, then it means Pakistan can influence the Talib and yet is fighting the Talib in Pakistan?

Some respond by saying that the Pakistani franchise of the Talib is different, and yet the TTP claim Mullah Omar as it's Emir?

Something here does not add up.
 
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That's why I said that something does not add up --- I think it's important to be cautious of the kind of US statements which suggest that Pakistan is acting as a broker of the Taliban - while some may think this is praise, it's really a set up to blackmail if at any time it becomes necessary to make the case that Pakistan owns the Taliban

Something sure doesn't add up...Karzai suspends US talks, sets new conditions for Taliban negotiations - DAWN.COM

This is going to be one interesting story.
 
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What did I say long time ago my friend? :D

Your question is an answer on it's own. Bilateral / Key Players? = US + Taliban.

Karzai + NLA? = Collateral damage.

Why isn't Pakistan involved in the talks?

And then Mr Karzai is upset over the joint US and Taliban announcement that they would begin preliminary peace talks in Qatar without the Afghan government. He is so pissed that he has declared that his High Peace Council would "neither attend nor participate in the talks".

WTF is going on? How can there only be a bilateral meeting without the key players attending? Waste of time and effort.
 
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Mate, the ones in Afghanistan NEVER were affiliated with the TTP. TTP may say whatever they want. TTP is a non-homogenous mix of retards from all over (Mahsuds/Arabs(Legacy)/Chechens+Tajiks(infiltrators),Punjabis etc etc), while the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan DO NOT accept anyone other than one of their own to join their ranks.

Yes they may have sheltered a few virulent-arabs, but that was in the past. No more. Once things settle, it will be a homogenous force. No lower-life-forms such as Mahsuds and likes of TTP can gain entry.

So, TTP is not affiliated with the Afghan Talib and their mission is not to fight in Afghanistan -- So who is financing TTP and for what purpose?
 
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