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Pakistan possible answer against india nuclear submarine

In the meantime, let’s leave the nuclear-powered sub competition to China. In any case, having acquired an indigenous nuclear-sub-building technology India has not really acted wisely, for this has been at the cost of millions of dispossessed and hungry. Why would we want to take that route?

I knew it!!!!, it will bounce back to the old phrase "starving poor Indian", we been hearing this for quiet a while, atleast we are not eating grass in the name of a nuke sub.lolz. Infact India is doing good day after day.....doing much better than when the nuke sub project started in the 80's.after all, more indigenous projects means more local jobs. Its as simple as that.
 
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more local jobs to naval personal not to a comman poor people

Somebody needs to teach you some economics...

Let me help you:


Multiple Ingeniousness defense projects... means ......More localization...means more orders for local component manufacturers......this means need to invest more in Infrastructure and human resources.....which means more jobs for educated and talented professionals.......which means more consumption by these people.... which means...more business and economic activity down the line.....so the entire economy moves...along with the so called poor people......

:cheers:
 
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i agree with u but we are talking here for common poor people and these jobs given to them who are not too much poor it good to give jobs but where those who live below to common mans life standard what u do for them
 
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i agree with u but we are talking here for common poor people and these jobs given to them who are not too much poor it good to give jobs but where those who live below to common mans life standard what u do for them
Its not the problem of India it is the bi product of capitalism we had a very good lecture on capitalism and luckily i made the report on that here is the extract
Market Economy and Its Limits:
In the modern era virtually everywhere the market economy is playing the central role in economy. Though seemingly beneficial, in fact, this system has greatly damaged our society and we must find alternative means for this system. The systems whose foundations and framework were chalked out by Polanyi, still remains little understood in our lives though it occupies immense importance. Simply defining, in market economy the market is at the centre of all the functions and can only exist in Market Societies i.e. where markets determine the social structure.
It is not true that economies can’t run without markets, earlier all the economies used to operate on non-market basis. But with the passage of time the market economies took over from societies and replaced the core human principals, torment to the human values.
This economic system that talks about Money, Land and Labor is prone to different disasters from time to time till it finally came to an end in WW2 according to Polanyi and resulted Keynesian theory for labor that was in fact a step to save this system for time being which lasted for 30 years almost but it again revitalized it self and led to current disaster. This system uses violence either natural or created and uses illusions to portray sufferings and disasters as development.
Comparison of Market System from Social System:
As Polanyi argued “previously to our time, no society has ever existed that, even in principal, was not controlled by the market”. But this argument is against the traditional wisdom of Adam Smith’s “barter, track and trade”. A strong argument in this regard is that the activity in market economy can not be achieved by the commodity money that existed in the earlier times as market economy focuses on the growth i.e. inflation for its sustainability as against deflation threat and inflexible money supply offered by the commodity money standard. But market system was not able to rule out commodity money as it was the only alternative available for international trade as against fiat money. But within the economies it has achieved great success.
Basis and development of market economy:
The structure of market economy as pointed by Polanyi is dependent upon three factors.
 Money.
 Land.
 Labor.
It is one of the characteristics of market economy that it hostilely takes over social economies that is the case proven in the course of history. What this new system did is that it hampered the Social system that had characteristics of low GNP but no concept of poverty as the distribution of wealth was fair and there was a strong social infrastructure to ensure the flow of resources from wealthy to poor.
But for the market economy, it needed labor for running its factories and production and it was only possible when the people with low resources were deprived off and made desperate to sell themselves against wages. The process started in England with the concept of Pareto Optimality i.e. sacredness of private property and as rich people started occupying the land.


As a result, a large number of people living on these lands were either displaced or lost their livelihood that they used to get by using those lands. As a result the concept of poverty evolved and to further promote this system it was given backing by ideology that for smooth functioning of markets excess labor is required and that can be achieved by depriving the poor from all resources.
 Ricardo said, “If we help the poor, the society will be at loss”
 Pittsburg said, “If we showed pity towards the poor, system will not work”
 Theory of markets suggest that any intervention i.e. subsidies will distort the market and benefits of free markets will be lost

History, aftermaths and working of market capitalism:
Founded in England 50 years before the industrial revolution, when it achieved its objectives i.e. excess productivity via excess labor. It entered into the second phase i.e. to sell that produce. For this, it adopted the concept of free trade and England started to export its excess production to the Europe and US. Soon these countries realized that these countries were at loss because of the free trade that was destroying their own industries. So they developed protectionist policies to develop their own industrial base. As a result, England and other countries following the market structure started colonization in order to sell off their commodities that not only jeopardized the independence of colonized countries but also stopped industrial development in those countries. The economic power vested in the market economies helped them to exploit the others which ultimately led to WW2 in which Japan was forced to surrender on free trade!
This kind of aftermath led to some adjustment meant to save the system from global unacceptability. JM Keynes introduced his labor theory where Govt was urged to intervene in the labor market to lower unemployment. This theory held up till stagflation of 1970s when it was assumed that the 1930 recession was not a result of the market system rather is was due to administrative lapses on the part of Govt. So the system was revitalized and creating a series of other crises it finally led to another global recession in 2008.
The system recognizes “Money is the ultimate objective of all human activates”.
This system measures human being on the bases of its earning stream generated through its life.
Value of Human Being = Discounted cash flows generated
This philosophy leads to a serious implication that people who do not posses the means to create money don’t posses any value what so ever in the society or effectively don’t deserve to be a part of society, a route cause that leads to all the social evils.
Conclusion:
After stating all the above facts. We come to a conclusion that the capitalism only promotes greed, hunger and disparity as development and progress and as Muslims we should do our best to promote welfare culture in our society for the improvement of above issues.
hope it ll be a help
 
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Dear Glomax Sahib:

Why does India need a Nuclear submarine??? Is it under threat from US, UK, Russia, China or the more lethal nations like Mauratius, Siri Lanka (now that they have taken care of the Tamils they can shift their sights on Indian Tamils) or is it truly Bangladesh which has its hands on the Indian Jagular????

Come on guys why this offensive arming ? This makes all the regional countries nervous and as a result the start arming! It is a zero sum game.

Do you all truly believe you have a real threat from anywhere -- is US going to land its troops and take over a a nation of billion babus or for that matter China starts choking your oil (now that you have the new love afairs' gift -- Nuclear Power Agreement this will become very soon a non issue.)

Or the plan is more sinister -- India is taking one after another very careful and measured set of steps on a game-plan that clearly smells of Regional hegemony in a big way!!!!!

The issues for us is not the millions who are going hungry in India or will go hungry -- the issue for us is much more closer to heart; these plans and steps clearly are overkill to handle the regional navies -- it is starting to look more and more like the arming of of the infamous Third Reich -- who are you going to annex next??? Is there an Austria around your borders to annex --

Than you wonder why people on this forum are deadly serious when it comes to India!!!!!

Food for thought my friend --- I do hope you realize where this path of arming will lead your country to. A large Army, highly trained, armed with the latest weapons, navy loking for 100 craft blue ocean force, an airforce starting to get filled with high tech weaponry -- movies spuing out the Greater Indian superiority the "Shining India," nothing can stop India becoming the power it should be -- remember the Swastika???? What india is lacking today to make this the killer brew is an Indian Hitler!!!!

Have a nice day!!!
 
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India surely wouldn't go for n-sub if pak had a no first use policy.........
 
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Dear Jako:

Do you truly belive this???

Could you please explain how the acqusition of the aircraft carrier dovetails with this theory or the reason to project airpower beyond the EEZ is to protect Indian origin citizen of say Madagascar???

Why dont you release the burden and say ou loudwhat we all know -- India is in the hunt for a regional and if luck and the right leader comes long -- a global military power -- with "Greater India of Ashoka" as the centerpiece of the empire!!!!

May be tha saner element in you ranks can emulate Japan -- a global power without the military might to make its neighbours extremly uncomfortable!

Food for thought!
 
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My dear friend amir,the aircraft career isn't targeted for pak... why would a ac be needed to counter pak,but the n-sub partially is,to develop a second strike capability for any nuke attack by pak,as you dont follow a 'no first use policy'....,.the ac is to counter rising chinese muscle flexing in the indian ocean
 
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Hi,

Why india needs a nuclear sub---the question must be asked---why not.

For a country or a geographical area that has been ruled by foreigners for a thousand years, beaten and pummelled for centuries by people in search of new kingdoms or new conquests for the crown---it seems very natural that the indians would want to have their say in the world and especially at a time when their economy is strong and there is a lots of money in the coffers to buy or produce whatever they want, when their educated people are in high demand the world over, when every single nation of the world wants to do business with them and have better relations with them---it would seem foolish not to step into the natural progression.

It almost seems like the case of MANIFEST DESTINY. The indians won't be running away from it. The decision regarding their future was already made a long time ago. It was just a matter of time, when they would break their self imposed shackles and stand free.

So, nothing surprising about the first of the ten nuclear submarines.
 
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we will use our nukes for sure if india tried to occupy pak territory what is the reason than keeping nukes
 
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My Friend Jako Sahib:

It would be better for this region if India concetrate on economic co-prosperity sphere instead of going after chariots of WAR -- as MastanKhan Sahib rightly pointed out --it is difficult to ignore India in the new scheme of things wether military or no military.

May be it is time to think differently ....
 
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Master Khan is right.

India is a big country with BIG GDP so why should it not have 1 or 5 or even 10 nuke subs.

Thats wat BIG countries have
 
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I think we are missing the point here.

The SSBN is not meant as a gesture towards Pakistan. India believes it has neutralized Pakistan as an offensive threat long ago and is now eyeing the big leagues.

With the SSBN, the space program, the top billionaires list, etc., India is joining a number of exclusive clubs and is ticking all the right boxes to sit at the Big Boys table. And it will be welcomed by the West which has been helping India and cultivating it as a counterweight against China.

Of course, India still has enormous poverty and internal problems but, unlike us, they are moving in the right direction. They have a world class education system that churns out very smart people, a growing economy that brings in forex, and a very effective propaganda and diplomacy apparatus active around the world.

The Pakistan armed forces have done remarkably well given our country's far more limited resources and the sanctions, but we cannot continue this arms race with India unless we improve our fundamentals. We seriously need to grow our economy and upgrade our educational base. We also need to forge strong military alliances in the region. A couple of PAF bases and nuclear-armed Agostas parked in Sri Lanka and Bangladesh would cause much insomnia in Delhi.

As other people have noted, we need a Putin. A no-nonsense tough guy who will take all our pathetic, corrupt politicians with their interminable petty squabbles and lock them in a room -- and then get on with the important task of taking the country forward. :pakistan:
 
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