Pakistan offers training to Afghanistan army and police: Qureshi

[vsdoc]

^^^ Forgot China ?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Adios Amigo]

I think the Afghans are going with India on this one.

What is Pakistan saying here ..... come we will train you by day ..... and when your "training" is done, by night we will send our Talibs across the border to test the skills we have taught you?

Theory bhi aur baad mein viva practicals bhi? Jiyo to pass, aur mar gaye to fail?

Give me a break with the common religion and people horsepoo PLEASE ..... the whole world knows how much love the Afghans have for their Pakistani "brothers."

Cheers, Doc

Mr. always cheerful doc,

What ever crap you r saying about theory and practically is strictly the creation of your retarded mind.

Pakistan has a very strong say in Afghanistan, specially if you look back into history, right from the day when civil war broke out, and grew more and more during Russian invasion, even more during cold war and shameful retreat of Russia, and even more after the cold war end and when the world left them with in their miseries, after they had huge burbs of victory and defeating a superpower.

Where the hell was India at those times??? Why didn't it stopped its myebaps from Invading Afghanistan??? Why didn't it offer shelter to the millions of displaced refuges??? where the hell have u guys been sleeping in those times when Pakistan was alone dealing with millions of refugees??

Ah,, let me guess if we we were supporting the now terrorists Talibans, so whom where you supporting in those days?? Now put some pressure on your highly evolved brain, and you will remember that you were supporting the minority northern alliance, and mind you they were not interested of getting power through elections. so you fall into the same damn category of supporting armed terrorists.

9/11 once again changed the game, and we had to cut off with those whom we supported, and you guys realized that, for the first time there is a chance of getting some power share in Afghanistan and harming Pakistan from its backyard. That is exactly why you guys suddenly started poring in millions of dollars in Afghanistan, and thus also getting some afghan sympathies. India is no saint, to help Afganis suddenly out of the blue, the degree of Indian good will and charities, can be well judged from the kind of relations it has with its bordering neighbors. Check out a bit what Srilankans think about you guys, check out the views of Bangladeshis( the nation which you granted a similar support to earn their freedom), its better to keep China and Pakistan out of the equation. And you guys got more interested in building relationship with the distant Afghanistan, why??

You guys simply worked for your Interests in the name of Afghan rebuild, even forgetting your own Hundreds of millions of poor, very poor , struck in miseries and problems and the worst ever can think off. I always appreciate anyone rebuilding Afghanistan, but we know what your Intent was, so don't even think off bluffing anyone here.

But you guys forgot, Afghanistan cant be won by simply poring in money or else Americans would have done it a long while ago.
Secondly and more importantly, you guys didn't even spent one percent of what we have done for them in the past forty odd years, we even shared our half bread with, yet there are some ungrateful souls, we don't mind them, they are very less and certainly not the case you guys are trying to project.

Lastly and most importantly it is a well known fact that Pakistan is the only country and probably Saudis which can talk and persuade The overwhelming majority of Pushtoons and other minorities to work in some manner acceptable to the world, that's why now America which eagerly wants to exit of Afghanistan is counting on Pakistan and it channels and resources, you guys fall no where in the picture. Effort gone wasted, which in my opinion was inevitable. But i am happy for the common afghani who got benefited in some way.

Lastly Afghanistan is struck with us, from every angle, so it has to sort out any issues with us if there are any, which is no big deal.
Pakistan has approach to the most powerful groups in Afghanistan, and its our strength, don't try to paint it with something else.
But we are this time sorting to include all fragments and not only certain elements in that society, so as to build a long lasting peace in their. That's why we are offering them training and other things, and don't even think we need to negate any of your works, noops, not at least in Afghanistan, and you are well aware of, but u cannot accept your loosing grounds in there and that's what is biting you now.










adios

 

[karan.1970]

First of all Afghanistan is our backyard, why the hell are you indians so obsessed with Afghanistan? The damn country has NOTHING in common with india!!!! You don't even border it!!

By that definition Pakistan is India's backyard?? Learn to respect the Sovereignty of your neighbour. In one sentence you call them your brothers and in second sentence you use a derogatory terms like backyard and damn country in reference to their country..

Secondly, no one, not even you indians know Afghanistan better than us! 35% of Pakistan's army is Pashtun, Pakistan has more Pashtuns than Afghanistan, and Pashtuns make up the majorit ethnic group in Afghanistan! Pakistan and Afghanistan are both Muslim countries! Whatever happens in Afghanistan, it directly affects Pakistan! Most Pakistanis share culture with Afghans!

That way both US and Germany were christian countries but still fought WWII. Dont get religion and ethinicity into every friggin' thing..

So we have every damn right to be worried! But my question is, what the hell does Afghanistan have anything to do with india?

Its another sovereign country and what relationship we have with it is our business not yours.

Thirdly, why the hell are you so upset about Pakistan helping to bring peace between Taliban and Karzai gov? Are you that much against peace in Afghanistan? Does it make you happy that innocent children, men, and women are suffering because of this war?

Not upset at all. Pakistan's ability to do this clearly shows the influence it enjoys with the terrorists.. Which has been India's contention all along..

Even Americans have more remorse and pity for the Afghans than you warmongering indians! History has proven that your a sworn enemy of Afghans, you supported Soviet invasion, and now your against a peace agreement?

Hmm.. I remember the word Drama queen being used by a lot of folks here about Indians.. Have you been taking lessons from one of my countrymen??

Long live Afghanistan and Pakistan!

Amen to that.. May there be peace...

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Karan Pakistan is indias backyard but only problem is whenever she wanted to take a walk in that garden the gardener always you know what i mean right?Ans stop your B.S rant about our internal issues

 

[karan.1970]

Karan Pakistan is indias backyard but only problem is whenever she wanted to take a walk in that garden the gardener always you know what i mean right?Ans stop your B.S rant about our internal issues

I wish Pakistan one day becomes a garden..

btw I had used that terminology to show that just because a country is next to you, it does not become your backyard..Didnt mean any disrespect towards the country as a whole..

And I did not realize that Afghanistan is your internal issue.. Have you managed to get that also declared as a disputed territory??

 

[blain2]

Pakistan always shared border and religion with Afghanistan, Why did it let India get foothold ? I know the answer : Its mistrust between Pakistan and Afghanistan. But if Military training helps improve the situation in Afghanistan then it its always welcome.

If the war comes to an end, do you think the mistrust will continue? I do not think so, but it will obviously continue if post conflict, Indians prod Afghans to destabilize Pakistan, which they are bound to as its in the interest of India.

If the Afghans realize that they could be seen as furthering Indian strategic designs against Pakistan and need to go totally neutral, then I see no reason why the mistrust will not go away. This is the same Afghanistan of King Zahir Shah (a person whom Pakistan mistrusted a bit) with which we had our most excellent economic and social relations throughout the 60s-80s.

 

[Desert Fox]

By that definition Pakistan is India's backyard?? Learn to respect the Sovereignty of your neighbour. In one sentence you call them your brothers and in second sentence you use a derogatory terms like backyard and damn country in reference to their country..

I can't believe a indian is actually speaking about sovereignty! especially after your coward army funded Mukhti Bahini in east Pakistan, took advantage of Pakistan's internal problems, and after wards crossed international border!

The conflict is between Pakistan and india, but it seems you indians want to drag Afghanistan into this! But what can i say, you are coward by nature!


That way both US and Germany were christian countries but still fought WWII. Dont get religion and ethinicity into every friggin' thing..

so what are you trying to justify here? you want Pakistan to go to war with Afghanistan?

Lol, why are you comparing Islam with Christianity, lol you indians don't even know anything about Islam! Stop embarrassing yourself!

In ISLAM (not christianity) its forbidden for a Muslim to fight another Muslim!

Like i said, you people don't know anything about Afghanistan! Why else did USA ask Pakistan to help bring peace and stability by mediating between Karzai and Taliban (this proves your worth to the Americans)!


Its another sovereign country and what relationship we have with it is our business not yours.

So using Afghan soil to fund BLA and TTP is ok then? If you use their soil to fund terrorism in Pakistan then we have every right to be in your so called business!

You keep proving my points in your own silly hypocritical posts! On one side you fund terror in Pakistan like a coward, and on the other side you whine when we foil your terrorist acts?

Its really surprising how you need the backing f the whole world to attack Pakistan, a country much smaller with a much smaller armed forces!

But i understand your mentality, you don't want peace in Afghanistan because you fear your game plans for the region will end here? that's correct isn't it? You don't want Taliban in the gov because you fear they will get rid of your influence in Afghanistan?

WELL THEN GUESS WHAT?????? TOO BAD!!! BOOHOOO, CRY ME A RIVER WON'T YA!

Time to pack your bag and leave


Not upset at all. Pakistan's ability to do this clearly shows the influence it enjoys with the terrorists.. Which has been India's contention all along..



Ha, terrorist according to you! this clearly proves my point, you don't want peace in Afghanistan! Maybe your too stupid to learn from history!

Afghans never submit to invaders, even if there are rival factions in Afghanistan they will be united to fight the common enemy, the invader!

So the only way to make peace in Afghanistan is through diplomacy, through talks, sorting things out the right way without shedding blood! Now these Taliban, if you think they can be defeated militarily, then i suggest you READ the history of Afghanistan! This proves my point, you indians have no clue about Afghanistan, and you want to teach me about Afghanistan? !

But how can i forget, your a warmongering indian! it pleases you to see Afghanistan in war!

And speaking of terrorists, india has a history of supporting and funding terrorists (Mukhti Bahini)! And lets not forget that indian army officer who blew up Samjhota express!


Hmm.. I remember the word Drama queen being used by a lot of folks here about Indians.. Have you been taking lessons from one of my countrymen??

have you checked the mirror lately?


Amen to that.. May there be peace...


Wow, what a drama queen! You know, there is a saying that applies to you indians : "when you point one of your fingers at someone else, your own three fingers point back at you"!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I wish Pakistan one day becomes a garden..

btw I had used that terminology to show that just because a country is next to you, it does not become your backyard..Didnt mean any disrespect towards the country as a whole..

And I did not realize that Afghanistan is your internal issue.. Have you managed to get that also declared as a disputed territory??

Well it is a garden better then india where thousands die of cold millions live on street and millions live on 1 $ a day 9000 die on railway tracks and claims to be a super power wet dreams ofcourse.And i was talking about ur B.S ranting about balochistan,aghanistan and pukhtunkhwa in various threads if you cant take it fanboy go to gangesand take a bath in the world most polluted river and revitalise your sense with a quick cow cola.

 

[vsdoc]

In ISLAM (not christianity) its forbidden for a Muslim to fight another Muslim!

Ninja, take a cue from your name and go silent when your prone to talking from the wrong end of your GI tract.

Islam is the one religion in the world which kills and has killed more of its own than it does and has done others ..... all the crusades/jihads included.

Want to debate that? Try me .....

Cheers, Doc

 

[Creder]

I think the Afghans are going with India on this one.
What is Pakistan saying here ..... come we will train you by day ..... and when your "training" is done, by night we will send our Talibs across the border to test the skills we have taught you?

Theory bhi aur baad mein viva practicals bhi? Jiyo to pass, aur mar gaye to fail?

Give me a break with the common religion and people horsepoo PLEASE ..... the whole world knows how much love the Afghans have for their Pakistani "brothers."

Besides what will the Afghans stand to gain from Pakistanis in terms of military training? As proven fighters they are second to none in the world. With India they get access to latest military tech and tactics which the Pakistanis will be loath to share with them for obvious reasons.

Afghans know sooner rather than later they will go up against Pakistani forces .... in small skirmishes if not an all out war. The pakistanis know that too. That in itself puts Pakistan in the position of a less than neutral adversely-interested party. No such fear of getting shafted by India ..... in fact just the opposite in terms of shaft directionals.

Just as India uses its position in Afghanistan to neutralise Pakistan, so too does Afghanistan see interest in using its position with India in doing the same. The enemy of an enemy is a friend .....

Cheers, Doc

I might be wrong on this one but didn't that india training afghan army deal fall apart ?... its sad though, you seemed to know exactly what Afghans want

cheers "doc"

 

[Goodperson]

If the war comes to an end, do you think the mistrust will continue? I do not think so, but it will obviously continue if post conflict, Indians prod Afghans to destabilize Pakistan, which they are bound to as its in the interest of India.

Common !!! Do you think there was lot of trust prior to war ?

If the Afghans realize that they could be seen as furthering Indian strategic designs against Pakistan and need to go totally neutral, then I see no reason why the mistrust will not go away. This is the same Afghanistan of King Zahir Shah (a person whom Pakistan mistrusted a bit) with which we had our most excellent economic and social relations throughout the 60s-80s.

was the Durand line issue resolved?
Check period since 1989 i.e post Soviet era. What notable things Pakistan has done for Afghanistan? Pakistan can help Afghan a lot since its a landlocked country.

 

[Desert Fox]

Ninja, take a cue from your name and go silent when your prone to talking from the wrong end of your GI tract.

Islam is the one religion in the world which kills and has killed more of its own than it does and has done others ..... all the crusades/jihads included.

Want to debate that? Try me .....

Cheers, Doc

Of course, i would love to debate with you ! You know, a well educated Muslim wouldn't care who is Shiah or aSunni or Wahabi etc.... Only unity matters!

 

[pkd]

COAS offers training to Afghan forces in Pakistan

Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani met the visiting Afghan President Hamid Karzai here on Thursday and offered training to Afghan forces in Pakistan.
According to official sources, the Army Chief discussed the current security situation of the region with the Afghan President. The meeting also discussed the menaces of terrorism and extremism, border issues between the two countries, Helmand Operation while the new strategy of allied countries on Afghanistan was also came under discussion.
Sources further told that the Army Chief offered the Afghan President of providing training by Pakistani to Afghan Forces in Pakistani institutions. He also stressed on increasing cooperation between two countries in different setors.
The Afghan President during the meeting with COAS lauded the sacrifices rendered by Pakistani troops for elimination of terrorism, saying Afghanistan is interested in training to Afghan Army by Pakistan Army and the modalities in this regard would be finalised soon.
Hamid Karzai categorically stated that interests of Pakistan and Afghanistan are interlinked and peace and stability in Afghanistan is vital for Pakistan and the entire region.


http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Islamabad/11-Mar-2010/COAS-offers-training-to-Afghan-forces-in-Pakistan