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Pakistan offers JF-17 jet fighters to Indonesian Air Force

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and u "batter" get enrolled in some English improvement/cognitive development course.

The thread is about a proposed sale of jf17.Not another done to death lca tejas discussion. Btw its going for ioc this December.That "batter" lighten ur spirits.:cheers:

making fun of someone's english when you can't say anything back to their argument???? lol you truly have hit rock bottom.....

poor kid.... did your parents make fun of you when you couldn't speak????
 
what happen if the US,were to give f-22, f-35 and a-10 for 1/2 the price of it original cost just to destroy the Asian market ?

Asian will buy and reverse engineer them!:lol: and sale them on 1/4 of the original price!!!:D
 
Hi,

It will take 50 years and will bankrupt pakistan, india, south asia jointly except for china and still they won't be able to make the engine for the F 22 with all their joint resources---.
 
Pakistan offers JF17

And the indoneasians go and order 180 su30s instead from Russia

Foolish people
 
Hi,

It will take 50 years and will bankrupt pakistan, india, south asia jointly except for china and still they won't be able to make the engine for the F 22 with all their joint resources---.

I beg to differ, as you have not provided credibility related to your post and your calculations. If you wanna be a smart ***, please prove it.
 
I beg to differ, as you have not provided credibility related to your post and your calculations. If you wanna be a smart ***, please prove it.

Hi,

First of all please be respectful---. Secondly---I don't need to provide any credibility----. For an intelligent person---the information is right in front of their faces. Engineering capability is what is coming out of the universities and what is available in the indutrial complex.


Thirdly---when you get into your 50's like me---you don't act smart-***----this term is used for teens like you---I had my moments 30---40 years ago----it is too late for me to act like one even if I wanted to.

I won't be alive at that time----but you will be---if you win---raise a toast in my memory and let me know that I was wrong----but if we don't get to that pleteau---then look into the mirror and apologize to my memory and tell your kids about the difficult journey and limitations of engineering tech.
 
Sorry guys party is over!!!!!!!
Indonesia Plans 180 Flankers Plus F-16s | AVIATION WEEK

BEIJING — Indonesia intends to acquire 180 Sukhoi Flankers and also to buy Lockheed Martin F-16s, Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro says, setting out plans for a massive expansion of the Southeast Asian country’s air combat force.
If Indonesia is serious about buying 180 Flankers, then Canberra will almost certainly fund the Royal Australian Air Force’s plan for 100 Lockheed Martin F-35s, says Andrew Davies, an analyst at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. Until now, there was a significant chance that Australia would buy fewer F-35s.
The Sukhoi fleet will be built up by 2024, with 18 aircraft in each of 10 squadrons, Purnomo says. F-16s will replace BAE Systems Hawks, the government’s Antara news agency says in a report carrying Purnomo’s statement.
If the country does buy 180 Flankers and if it can operate them efficiently — two big ifs — then it will have transformed an air force that now has negligible combat capability.
Indonesia has been operating its current small force of Flankers, a mix of Su-27s and Su-30s, with poor levels of efficiency and availability. Analysts believe that its nine Northrop F-5s are in worse shape. Eight of 12 F-16As and Bs ordered in the 1980s are grounded.
The delivery of three Flankers this week took the force of that type to 10. The government previously said it would buy an additional six.
“To defend our nation’s sovereignty, we have set a target to procure 180 Sukhoi jet fighters to form 10 squadrons,” Purnomo reportedly says.
Besides Australia, the Indonesian buildup also would cause concerns in Singapore and Malaysia, according to Davies, although Leonard Sebastian, a Singapore-based specialist on Indonesia, thinks that Indonesia’s neighbors, including Australia, will not react too strongly.
The Indonesian air force is “pretty weak on human resources — not just the pilots but also the support personnel,” Sebastian says, doubting that the country could operate the Flanker force efficiently.
There is less doubt that it can buy them, he adds. Indonesia has been enjoying strong mineral prices stoked by Chinese demand. And building up the air force, rather than the army, would accord with the country’s policy of creating armed forces that are more technically advanced and professional.
The minister says the strength of the Indonesian economy is helping the government pay for its arms program.
Davies, who thinks Indonesia eventually will have a large number of Flankers but not as many as 180, points out that countries across Southeast Asia are focusing increasingly on advanced military technology.
Purnomo does not say how many F-16s Indonesia wants, but the country is operating six Hawk 100 trainers and 20 Hawk 200 light attack aircraft. Two years ago the government said it wanted to buy a squadron of F-16s between 2010 and 2014.
Any further F-16s may be secondhand. The defense ministry said in July that the U.S. was offering surplus fighters at low prices.
For imports of new weapons, Indonesia will insist on technology transfer and 40% of production work, Deputy Defense Minister Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin says.
 
It's reported as a plan, I think once firm orders are placed we can say that Indonesia are no longer interested - that is, if they ever had been - so, lets keep our powder dry and see how the Indonesians and their prospective suppliers will position themselves over the coming weeks and months.

More Flankers or Su products make sense, they operate them already, but I detect a hint of "ploy" if the statement attributed to the minster Purnomo is correct, it seems he's open to the Russian and Americans competing - it also seems to me that this story has legs in Australia.
 
I wonder if HAL will produce some of the Components for the Indonesian Su-30's.

Specifically things like the body of the aircraft
 
I wonder if HAL will produce some of the Components for the Indonesian Su-30's.

Specifically things like the body of the aircraft

I dont think so.. HAL will be extremely hard pressed over next few years in delivering the balance 100+ SU 30s and gearing up for the LCA production.

Also the readying the line for MMRCA is going to require a lot of effort.


I dont belive India is looking at aircraft industry as an export venue for next 5 years atleast..
 
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