Pakistan of 1960s When Ayub Met JFK

[Magnum Opus]

Then we can discover that Lee Harvey Oswald came to Mason Controlled Oak Ridge:

These days folks can begin to trace some of the Mason's dirty work as we know that Guy Banister in New Orleans was a high order Mason and persons like Lee Harvey Oswald worked for Banister in New Orleans. Lee Harvey Oswald was working on a Mason funded project to kill Castro with a cancer virus and radiation technique that was pushed by Alton Oscher. Oschner was well connected with HL Hunt and Clint Murchison for funding such operations. In that effort, Lee Harvey Oswald came to gather information from the Oak Ridge Mason gang:
Here do a google search for the terms: Was Lee Harvey Oswald in Oak Ridge?

The war between the Masons and Catholics is old, and even today the Catholic Church sees Masons as evil:

Even in the present time, the Catholic Church still finds Masons as going against religious values, and again the Oak Ridge Mary Statue's pose is symbolic of such.

The CIA is a highly Mason operation also, and the CIA invasion of the Vatican involved more deaths via the P2 Mason issues. In general, when the Mason controlled CIA was doing their kill operations against Central and lower America's leader, they were killing Catholic oriented leaders.

Google these search terms to see Catholic don't care for Masons:

Good Catholics Should Not be Masons By Fr Ashley Beck

 

[VCheng]

Its not a coincidence that whenever a General has led Pakistan, the country has prospered. Its because Generals are usually more patriotic and their prime focus is on governance.

At the time of Ayub, Zia and Musharraf, the country has prospered and also its stock in the world gone up. The reason being when country gains internal strength, it gains respect too.

If dictatorships were so good for governance and prosperity, why did the General fail to carry on? Why did each Martial Law come crashing down in ignominy, leaving the nation to deal with the disastrous consequences, leaving the country's respect in tatters?

 

[Sugarcane]

If dictatorships were so good for governance and prosperity, why did the General fail to carry on? Why did each Martial Law come crashing down in ignominy, leaving the nation to deal with the disastrous consequences, leaving the country's respect in tatters?

Democracy also failed miserably

 

[VCheng]

Democracy also failed miserably

Because repeated Martial Laws and meddling in internal politics by the Army have ensured that democracy never takes root properly.

 

[Sugarcane]

Because repeated Martial Laws and meddling in internal politics by the Army have ensured that democracy never takes root properly.

Proper roots? Just like it's taking place since last 6 years?

 

[Al Bhatti]

Democracy also failed miserably

Important is where the nation is heading; towards development and raising the living standard of the common man or the other way, not democracy or military rule or dictatorship or monarchy or what ever you want to call the system of governance.

 

[Ajatashatru]

Oh bygone days....looks like its all that's left to remember for Pak folks. Now the same America has reduced Pak to its stooge and made it completely dependent on its aid. I don't mean to ridicule Pakistan but Pakistan should do something about the situation, stand on its feet and make the Americans respect them again.

 

[MadDog]

A dynamic personality indeed, something expected from Sandhurst-trained soldier who went on to become a General and finally the head of the state.His actions brought great prosperity to Pakistan.

My opinion is, his outlook was more liberal in comparison to what followed next.You will notice that the General's daughter had chosen to wear a Saree in almost all the occasions, which is, though a traditional dress in the subcontinent but its use has gradually faded in Pakistan up to a great extent.Probably a Saree has been identified more as a Hindu dress in the later years.

I think we need to look at it from a different angle, there are two points to be noted here. One Ayub and his family were ethnic pushtuns, so sari was never a cultural dress for them. Secondly, since Bengalis were the majority of Pakistanis back then, thus you would see a lot of "Pakistanis" wearing saris, after 1971, you would notice alot fewer sights of saris, again cuz in West Pakistan it was never a cultural dress.

 

[VCheng]

Proper roots? Just like it's taking place since last 6 years?

Democracy takes decades to take root. The Army has destroyed many saplings as soon as they have germinated. Let us see what it does this time around.

 

[Sugarcane]

Democracy takes decades to take root. The Army has destroyed many saplings as soon as they have germinated. Let us see what it does this time around.

The kind of democracy in last 5 years of PPP we witnessed, if that kind of thing is repeated for couple of more times than i don't think we will have any country left to enjoy the fruit of democratic tree.

Presidential system, along with strong local bodies system is the only solution for Pakistan. This parliamentary system is fraud.

 

[VCheng]

The kind of democracy in last 5 years of PPP we witnessed, if that kind of thing is repeated for couple of more times than i don't think we will have any country left to enjoy the fruit of democratic tree.

Presidential system, along with strong local bodies system is the only solution for Pakistan. This parliamentary system is fraud.

That is the precise fallacy planted and perpetuated by the Army, that only it can guarantee the integrity of the country. It knows that if the democratic cycle is allowed to run for a few turns, the people of Pakistan are wise enough to see through this lie.

 

[Sugarcane]

That is the precise fallacy planted and perpetuated by the Army, that only it can guarantee the integrity of the country. It knows that if the democratic cycle is allowed to run for a few turns, the people of Pakistan are wise enough to see through this lie.

Ahh... Conspiracy theorist. Yes Army asked PPP to loot the country, so that they can blame it on democracy and innocent politician fell in trap.

 

[VCheng]

Ahh... Conspiracy theorist. Yes Army asked PPP to loot the country, so that they can blame it on democracy and innocent politician fell in trap.

As long as the Army gets its pound of flesh from the Defense budget, controls foreign policy and runs its businesses, it could care less what the politicians do. This is no conspiracy theory, but very clearly the history and present of the country, shown by the evidence. It will likely be the future too.

 

[Sugarcane]

As long as the Army gets its pound of flesh from the Defense budget, controls foreign policy and runs its businesses, it could care less what the politicians do. This is no conspiracy theory, but very clearly the history and present of the country, shown by the evidence. It will likely be the future too.

And history and present of the country has proven than politicians are angels? Or are they going to become ones in near future?

BTW - Do you think if democracy comes than defense budget will be gone?

 

[VCheng]

And history and present of the country has proven than politicians are angels? Or are they going to become ones in near future?

BTW - Do you think if democracy comes than defense budget will be gone?

No, the politicians are no angels, but neither is the Army, despite any tall claims made by either one of them. They are all lies, proven time and again.

The only thing that will affect the defense budget is the economy.