Pakistan needs to replace China with Russia

[IblinI]

1) Russia is fighting even when they are weak economically while on the other hand you are worried about getting into a fight as it would rock your economy. Do you see the difference?

1) Russian's being a raw material export-oriented economy can't now loose its last stronghold in mid-east Syria, which is a different story if you compared with China and its economic structure.

2) Afghnistan, Iraq for both US and Russian has again proved “War should be the politics of last resort.” It is not a game of ego.

3)During the first 30 years of PRC, we were enthusiast of exporting ideology, fight, trained countless number of nation/guerrillas/anti-government forces against their "Imperialism,Colonialism master" despited of being dirt poor ourself, but where it leads us?
Anyway, I'll leave it and beg to differ.

 

[JafarQureshi]

1) Russian's being a raw material export-oriented economy can't now loose its last stronghold in mid-east Syria, which is a different story if you compared with China and its economic structure.

2) Afghnistan, Iraq for both US and Russian has again proved “War should be the politics of last resort.” It is not a game of ego.

3)During the first 30 years of PRC, we were enthusiast of exporting ideology, fight, trained countless number of nation/guerrillas/anti-government forces against their "Imperialism,Colonialism" despited of being dirt poor ourself, but where it leads us?
Anyway, I'll leave it and beg to differ.

Again you are supporting my stance.

Russia is willing to fight to protect her allies and interests whie China will stay away from fighting as she is worried about protecting her economy.

From Pakistan's perspective, We need Chinese investments and Russian war machine.

Unfortunately, many of my country men are foolish and beleive in fictious Chinese war machine.

 

[tower9]

I don't see how Pakistan purchasing weapons systems from Russia would impact ties with China. Russia and China are working closely on building a Eurasian axis and base of power. I think both countries would want Pakistan to join this effort.

 

[Yankee-stani]

I don't see how Pakistan purchasing weapons systems from Russia would impact ties with China. Russia and China are working closely on building a Eurasian axis and base of power. I think both countries would want Pakistan to join this effort.

I am all for it but you do reliaze Russia and China could have done this during the Cold War but Mao and Khurschev hated their guts so much let's not repeat the Sino-Russo spilt era

Again you are supporting my stance.

Russia is willing to fight to protect her allies and interests whie China will stay away from fighting as she is worried about protecting her economy.

From Pakistan's perspective, We need Chinese investments and Russian war machine.

Unfortunately, many of my country men are foolish and beleive in fictious Chinese war machine.

Your singing to the choir brother,Russia had conflicts since the collapse of the USSR be it in Tajikstan,Georgia,Chechnya,Dagestan,Ukraine and Syria China has not been tested yet but their are become a military machine too dont underestimate that

 

[tower9]

I am all for it but you do reliaze Russia and China could have done this during the Cold War but Mao and Khurschev hated their guts so much let's not repeat the Sino-Russo spilt era

That's ancient history.

The idea of the world island as pushed by the Brit Mackinder has long been the source of nightmares for the Anglo world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History

So a Sino-Russian alliance is an absolute nightmare. It's probably been the greatest geopolitical disaster of recent American history to have pushed these countries so close together. But arrogance and hubris breeds this type of blindness.

 

[OIO]

I am all for it but you do reliaze Russia and China could have done this during the Cold War but Mao and Khurschev hated their guts so much let's not repeat the Sino-Russo spilt era

USSR should have concentrated to Europe/ME and not deeply involved in East Asia/southeast Asia.

 

[tower9]

Again you are supporting my stance.

Russia is willing to fight to protect her allies and interests whie China will stay away from fighting as she is worried about protecting her economy.

From Pakistan's perspective, We need Chinese investments and Russian war machine.

Unfortunately, many of my country men are foolish and beleive in fictious Chinese war machine.

China is not going to go around waging war until it is undoubtedly stronger than the US. If China becomes without a doubt a premier economic, military and technological leader that is peerless, then it will feel secure enough to throw its weight around. China's leaders are very strategic. Hell, even regular Chinese know this but will deny it and say "Oh, we only want peace". But this is part of their 100 year strategy.

 

[JafarQureshi]

Your singing to the choir brother,Russia had conflicts since the collapse of the USSR be it in Tajikstan,Georgia,Chechnya,Dagestan,Ukraine and Syria China has not been tested yet but their are become a military machine too dont underestimate that

Chinese military machine is strong and will get stroger but that machine is there to deter a fight and not to fight.

Not everyone who carries a gun is ready to shoot while a person who is willing to fight does not even need a gun.

 

[Yankee-stani]

That's ancient history.

The idea of the world island as pushed by the Brit Mackinder has long been the source of nightmares for the Anglo world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History

So a Sino-Russian alliance is an absolute nightmare. It's probably been the greatest geopolitical disaster of recent American history to have pushed these countries so close together. But arrogance and hubris breeds this type of blindness.

I hope so but Trump isn't that anti Russian as Obama he trully believes that by getting Putin rehabilitated that Russia could be used to counter China I think it's becoming less likely year by year Russia deeply distrusts west at this point

Chinese military machine is strong and will get stroger but that machine is there to deter a fight and not to fight.

Not everyone who carries a gun is ready to shoot while a person who is willing to fight does not even need a gun.

Kinda true but let's see I see something boiling in South East Asia the US wants a test run may push one of their lackeys in ASEAN to go against China

USSR should have concentrated to Europe/ME and not deeply involved in East Asia/southeast Asia.

The Sino Soviet spilt was just big lol,and one the reasons the US maintained global hegemony

 

[tower9]

I hope so but Trump isn't that anti Russian as Obama he trully believes that by getting Putin rehabilitated that Russia could be used to counter China I think it's becoming less likely year by year Russia deeply distrusts west at this point

Trump wants to ally with Russia to contain China. The problem is that the Deep State has been anti-Russia for so long that they could not change this direction. However, they may start realizing that this is a necessary policy in order to contain China and may throw out some olive branches to Russia.

Russia will likely want to achieve some diplomatic breakthrough in order to start normalizing its ties with the US again. However, Russia won't betray China in order to ally with the US because the trust between Russia and the US was destroyed long ago, and they know that if China falls, they will be persecuted again by the American deep state. So the Russians aren't dumb, they are very astute people.

 

[JafarQureshi]

China is not going to go around waging war until it is undoubtedly stronger than the US. If China becomes without a doubt a premier economic, military and technological leader that is peerless, then it will feel secure enough to throw its weight around. China's leaders are very strategic. Hell, even regular Chinese know this but will deny it and say "Oh, we only want peace". But this is part of their 100 year strategy.

And what happens if war shows up at Pakistan's door step before China becomes comfortable and confident of its 100 year war?

Pakistan will just become a battle that China could afford to lose to win its 100 year war.

 

[tower9]

And what happens if war shows up at Pakistan's door step before China becomes comfortable and confident of its 100 year war?

Pakistan will just become a battle that China could afford to lose to win its 100 year war.

Most likely China will supply Pakistan with arms and intelligence but will not step in unless it's a dire situation where Pakistan is about to fall. It will also depend on who is attacking Pakistan. If it is India, China would be more likely to step in than if it was the US.

Either way, I don't think Pakistan is in danger of getting invaded in the near future.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Trump wants to ally with Russia to contain China. The problem is that the Deep State has been anti-Russia for so long that they could not change this direction. However, they may start realizing that this is a necessary policy in order to contain China and may throw out some olive branches to Russia.

Russia will likely want to achieve some diplomatic breakthrough in order to start normalizing its ties with the US again. However, Russia won't betray China in order to ally with the US because the trust between Russia and the US was destroyed long ago, and they know that if China falls, they will be persecuted again by the American deep state. So the Russians aren't dumb, they are very astute people.

For Russia I think want this no American LNG gas sales in Europe give up Ukraine and Georgia back to Russosphere ,cut all NGO shit in Eurasia US troops out of Afghanistan so no look out in Central Asia but the US wont do all of that Hence Russia only partner it could depend on is China

 

[tower9]

For Russia I think want this no American LNG gas sales in Europe give up Ukraine and Georgia back to Russosphere ,cut all NGO shit in Eurasia US troops out of Afghanistan so no look out in Central Asia but the US wont do all of that Hence Russia only partner it could depend on is China

Agreed.

 

[Yankee-stani]

@tower9 Russophobia is barley existent in the US the only folks who are anti Russian are the old geezer boomers who grew up in the Cold War,Liberals but vast majority view them as Fellow whites with political disagreements same with fringe Alt Right folks China is universally hated Sinophobia is real