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Pakistan Navy to get US frigate

by with our own upgrades or with the assistance by our chinese friends
can we make this us frigates capable enough to match our f-22p frigates
 
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by with our own upgrades or with the assistance by our chinese friends
can we make this us frigates capable enough to match our f-22p frigates

huh?

its like saying can we make our F-16 block15 MLUM3 to match JF-17s? no dude.. OHP upgraded is much better then F-22P. and btw Chinese dont upgrade non-chinese equipments for pakistan.
 
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can't we wait to see the actual outcome..
i mean there are lots of argument about the credibility of these olld platforms. of course no one will want the deal going waste but still we must wait for some actuall procedings to be made accesible!

regards!

The problem isa PN's options are limited and its finances even more so. It is not every day that ships come by and PN has missed serious opportunities in the past. I dont think even now this is the issue.
Thre real issue is the numbers and how soon we will be able to get them. If it is just one then there is no sense and we may as well move on. However if the numbers of 4-6 are assured then it might be a good option. Secondly, i dont know what is included in the 65Million $ upgrade. If it is just going to be surface polish , then we should bnot go for it. lastly, these ships have been through a real tough time and we need to know that thereis life left in it.
Araz
 
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Secondly, i dont know what is included in the 65Million $ upgrade. If it is just going to be surface polish , then we should bnot go for it. lastly, these ships have been through a real tough time and we need to know that thereis life left in it.
Araz

sir g... it has already been discussed that our OHP will be upgraded/refurbished with enhanced ASuW capability.
 
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lastly, these ships have been through a real tough time and we need to know that thereis life left in it.
Araz
Remember how much life there was in those old ex-USN Gearings?

USS Wiltsie (DD 716)
Awarded: 1942
Keel laid: March 13, 1945
Launched: August 31, 1945
Completed: January 11, 1946
Commissioned: January 12, 1946
FRAM I Conversion Period: November 1961 - September 1962
Decommissioned: January 23, 1976
Transfer to Pakistani Navy: April 29, 1977
Reactivation and overhaul: 1977.
Renamed TARIQ (D 165), arrival in Pakistan: mid-1978
Renamed NAZIM, transfer to Maritime Safety Agency: 1990
Decommissioned: 1998.

USS Epperson (DD 719)
Laid Down: June 20, 1945
Launched: December 22, 1945
Commissioned: March 18, 1949
To Pakistan April 29, 1977; Renamed Taimur
(stricken & sunk post 1995)

USS Henderson (DD 785)
Laid Down: October 27, 1944
Launched: May 28, 1945
Commissioned: August 4, 1945
Stricken October 1, 1980
To PN, renamed Tughril 30.9.80

USS Harold J. Ellison (DD 864)
Laid Down: October 3, 1944
Launched: March 14, 1945
Commissioned: June 23, 1945
To Pakistan August 1, 1983
Renamed Shah Jahan 1.10.83
For disposal 1994
sunk as target

USS Cone (DD 866)
11-30-44 Laid down
05-10-45 Launched
08-18-45 Commissioned
10-01-82 Sold to Pakistan, renamed Alamgir
12-04-98 Decommissioned by Pakistan
scrapped

USS Damato (DD 871)
Laid Down: May 10, 1945
Launched: November 21, 1945
Commissioned: April 27, 1946
Decommissioned: ?
Stricken 10/1/80;
Transfer to Pakistan Navy 30/9/80
To Pakistan 12/17/80, renamed Tippu Sultan;
For disposal 1994
scrapped in 1995
 
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a bad deal, even if we are over wit it now do not support to go for another one,,
specially with option like F22p and miligem available,
yes they can be good as stop gaps and to fill in the number where as for technological punch we will relay on F22p and miligem,
OPH cannot be termed as a massive boost to PN strength!

regards!
 
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a bad deal, even if we are over wit it now do not support to go for another one,,
specially with option like F22p and miligem available,
yes they can be good as stop gaps and to fill in the number where as for technological punch we will relay on F22p and miligem,
OPH cannot be termed as a massive boost to PN strength!

regards!

"As is", it's a far better ASW ship than anything PN can field now or in the near future (i.e. including the new F22P.)

"With little work" (i.e. a single 21 round launcher for the 11km RAM missile and 2 racks for Harpoon), it is pretty much equal to Type 21 and F22P in AAW and ASuW.
"With little work" (i.e. reinstalling the STIR and the MK13 launcher arm) it is equal to Type 21 and F22P in terms of ASuW and superior in terms of AAW

"With some work" (a single Mk41 with 32 ESSM in place of Mk13, adding 2 racks for Harpoon, and Turkish combat data system upgrade, or in configuration as used by Australia) it is considerably superior to Type 21 and F22P in AAW (besides superior in ASW).
 
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"As is", it's a far better ASW ship than anything PN can field now or in the near future (i.e. including the new F22P.)

"With little work" (i.e. a single 21 round launcher for the 11km RAM missile and 2 racks for Harpoon), it is pretty much equal to Type 21 and F22P in AAW and ASuW.
"With littlework (i.e. reinstalling the STIR and the MK13 launcher arm) it is equaly to Type 21 and F22P in terms of ASuW and superior in terms of AAW

"With some work" (a single Mk41 with 32 ESSM in place of Mk13, adding 2 racks for Harpoon, and Turkish combat data system upgrade, or in configuration as used by Australia) it is considerably superior to Type 21 and F22P in AAW (besides superior in ASW).

very well said, but i have to go with the last part "with some work" which is more realistic.
 
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GREAT FIND!!! just googled australian OHP upgraded frigates and came across this... lets call it the Super OHP.

The most prominent feature of RAN OHP is the installation of Mk41 for ESSM.
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source: defenseindustrydaily

The FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigates make for a fascinating defense procurement case study. To this day, the ships are widely touted as a successful example of cost containment and avoidance of requirements creep – both of which have been major weaknesses in US Navy acquisition. The result was a capable 3,600t-4,100t anti-submarine platform, with some secondary air defense and anti-ship capabilities via its SM-1 Standard and RGM-84 Harpoon missiles, that could be bought in large enough numbers to fill the Navy’s needs. The ships’ hull twisting and cracking problems were solved early on, and they proved they could take a hit and stay afloat when the USS Stark was struck by 2 Iraqi Exocet missiles during the Iran/ Iraq war. By FFG-36, the “FFG-7 Flight III (Long)” variant was the sole US production version, with an extra 8 feet of length that let it accommodate larger and more capable SH-60 Seahawk helicopters instead of the SH-2 Sea Sprites.

The bad news was the flip side of the good news. Very little reserved space for growth (39 tons in the original design), and the standard inflexible, proprietary electronics of the time, made updates problematic. So problematic, in fact, that the US Navy gave up on the idea of upgrading their electronics, radars et. al. for new communications realities and advanced missile threats. Instead, they removed the 25 “FFG-7 Short” ships from inventory via bargain basement sales to allies or outright retirement, after an average of only 18 or so years of service. The remaining 30 ships received minor upgrades but had their no-longer standard SM-1 missiles removed – and with them, any air defense role. They do not operate in dangerous areas without cover from high-end AEGIS destroyers and cruisers.

Australia’s 6 ships of this class have served alongside the Navy’s more modern ANZAC Class frigates, which are undergoing upgrades of their own to help them handle the reality of modern anti-ship missiles. With the SEA 4000 Hobart Class air warfare frigates still just a gleam in an admiral’s eye, the government looked for a way to upgrade their FFG-7 “Adelaide Class” to keep them in service until 2020 or so. The A$ 1.46 billion SEA 1390 project has not gone very well… though the new Labor government is working to put a better face on it.


The Royal Australian Navy (RAN) acquired 4 United States Navy designed FFG-7 class frigates (FFG-7 Flight I: FFG-17 now FFG 1 Adelaide, FFG-18 now FFG 2 Canberra, FFG-35 now FFG 3 Sydney and FFG-44 now FFG 4 Darwin) in the late 1970s and early 1980s. In 1983, the Australian Government decided to build 2 more ships of this class at the Williamstown Naval Dockyard – now owned and operated by Tenix Defence Pty Ltd. HMAS Melbourne [FFG 05], was delivered in 1992. HMAS Newcastle [FFG 6] was delivered in 1993.

The supportability of the Adelaide Class had been the subject of discussion since 1987, culminating in the initiation of the FFG Upgrade Project in FY 93/94. Between 1993 and 1996, a Surface Combatant Force Study conducted within Australia’s Department of Defence analyzed the capabilities of their 14-ship surface combatant force,. Unsurprisingly, they concluded that the FFG 7 class required an increase in capability.

These 2 decisions – to build 2 more 4,000t Adelaide Class frigates, and to begin a capability improvement program instead of buying second-hand 9,700t Kidd Class destroyers that the US was making available on the open market – largely set the stage for what was to follow.

The Adelaide Class upgrade program has a number of elements, but the 3 most important are (1) a new combat and fire control system with an upgraded long-range air search radar, (2) improved air defense missiles, and (3) an upgraded sonar suite that includes both a new hull-mounted sonar and integration of towed sonars into a common data picture. Their goal was to create ships that would remain able to defend the fleet against aerial attacks, including supersonic anti-ship missiles that are beginning to appear in the region. The other regional trend involves a growing number of quiet diesel-electric submarines being purchased by nations near Australia’s sea lanes. Hence the need for ships with better anti-submarine capabilities.

Buying Kidd class destroyers would have improved both capabilities, while providing much more room for growth. That decision is water under the bow now.


Under SEA 1390, the Adelaide Class ships are receiving a modified and re-hosted FFG Naval Combat Data System (NCDS) and Australian Distributed Architecture Combat System (ADACS).
It will operate on upgraded computers with new interfaces, and use an upgraded Local Area Network (LAN) to handle the need for higher data transmission rates. The Combat System will be supported by the introduction of the LINK 16 tactical data link to complement LINK 11, and provide better allied and helicopter interoperability.

Defensively, the old AN/SLQ-32v2 “Slick 32” electronic support system that picks up and classifies enemy radar emissions is being replaced with newer technology. For underwater warfare, the AN/SQS-56 and MULLOKA sonar systems will be removed, in favor of an improved variant of the ANZAC Class’ Thompson (Thales) Spherion Medium Frequency Sonar. Electronics that can integrate the Spherion’s data with towed sonars, in order to provide the frigate with a single underwater picture, will be every bit as important.


Offensively, The Gun and Missile Fire Control System will be upgraded from Mk92 Mod 2 to Mod 12 variant, and the AN/SPS-49(V)4 air surveillance radar upgraded to AN/SPS-49A(V)1MPU. A multi-sensor Radar Integrated Automatic Detect and Track System (RIADT) is also added to improve target detection, tracking and engagement, particularly against low altitude targets in cluttered ocean or near-shore environments.


All this must work together well, in order to make the Improved Adelaide Class’ weapons upgrades effective. The ships’ existing Mk13 GMLS pop-up launcher will retain its 40 round magazine, but will be fitted for more advanced SM-2 anti-air missiles and Harpoon strike missiles (usually fitted 32 SM-2 and 8 Harpoon). An 8-cell Mk41 tactical-length (vs. longer strike length) vertical launching system adds room for another 8 SM-2 Standards – or up to 32 shorter-range RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow air defense missiles.

Self-contained drop-in weapon changes round out the mix. The ship’s 20mm Phalanx CIWS last-ditch defense systems will be upgraded to Block 1B for better capabilities against UAVs, helicopters, and small boats, the MU90 Eurotorp lightweight torpedo will be ready in the torpedo tubes, the Harpoon anti-ship missiles will be RGM-84 Block IIs with GPS guidance and land attack capability, and RAFAEL’s Mini-Typhoon 12.7mm remote weapons systems will supplement the Phalanx’s defenses against fast boats and similar threats.

The SEA 1390 project has had several phases:

* Phase 1 – Project Definition Studies (1995-1998) – completed
* Phase 2 – FFG Upgrade Implementation (1999-2008)
* Phase 3 – A Study into the replacement of the SM-1 missile.
* Phase 4A – Upgrade of the existing test set to enable testing of the SM-1 replacement missile.
* Phase 4B – Replacement of the SM-1 Missile capability.

The RFP for “SEA 1390” was released in 1994, and Transfield Defence Systems of Melbourne (TDS, now Tenix Defence Pty Ltd), and ADI Limited of Sydney (now Thales Australia) were selected to conduct the Phase 1 Project Definition Studies. The Australian Government subsequently endorsed a list of capability improvements and supportability measures for the Adelaide Class.

ADI won the tender for Phase 2 on Nov 13/98, and signed an A$900 million contract on June 1/99. Options to enhance the ships’ electronic warfare capabilities, improve training facilities, et. al. would push this to A$ 962 million in February 1998 dollars. Comnpanies involved included:

* ADI Systems (now Thales Australia) – Integration Authority and Combat System Design.
* Thales Underwater Systems (formerly Thompson Marconi Sonar) – Underwater Warfare Design Agent.
* Gibbs and Cox – Platform System Design Authority. The ship’s upgrades will push its weight to 4,200t, and American upgrades to 4,100t have pushed a hull designed for 3,600t into stability issues.
* AAI – On Board Training System (OBTS)
* Lockheed Martin Naval Electronic and Surveillance Systems (LM NE&SS) – Mk 92 Mod 12 Fire Control System.
* RAFAEL – Electronic Support Measures. Tenix would become a RAFAEL subcontractor.
* CEA – Data Fusion system.


Other major subcontractors include Raytheon and Lockheed Martin Launching Systems, who would handle the 8-cell Mk41 vertical launching system placed in front of the Mk13 pop-up launcher and magazine in the bow, and the ESSM and SM-2 missiles the ships will carry. Replacement of the diesel generators and air compressors will improve the ships’ supportability, and involve their own equipment contractors.
 
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Great Find! and just look at this:

they proved they could take a hit and stay afloat when the USS Stark was struck by 2 Iraqi Exocet missiles during the Iran/ Iraq war.
:woot:

Now either the Iraqis didnt know how to operate an exocet or this thing is really impressive :devil:
 
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to be honest OHPs are primarily ASW platorms and in the USN they operate as part of an integrated task group with supports from sea hawk.it fits the strategy of USN.in case of pakistan the single vessel can be used as a command ship but it wont be as helpful in ASW role in current configuration.
 
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to be honest OHPs are primarily ASW platorms and in the USN they operate as part of an integrated task group with supports from sea hawk.it fits the strategy of USN.in case of pakistan the single vessel can be used as a command ship but it wont be as helpful in ASW role in current configuration.

please go through the thread first.. you will get the answer...
PN is negotiating for 6 OHP... first one will arrive next year with 65 million dollars of upgrades.... the current configuration USN OHP are not as good as Turkish or Australian and pakistan will also try to upgrade theirs to Turkish standard.
 
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Great Find! and just look at this:

:woot:

Now either the Iraqis didnt know how to operate an exocet or this thing is really impressive :devil:

Exocet did its job of hitting the target... i dont think operating the missile has to do anything with the ship not sinking.. i think the iraqis did pretty good job of successfully hitting the target...
 
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Exocet did its job of hitting the target... i dont think operating the missile has to do anything with the ship not sinking.. i think the iraqis did pretty good job of successfully hitting the target...

Iraqi Air force was trained by IAF so probably they forget to teach them how to fire these toys ;) :azn:
 
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New Mk 41 VLS can be seen installed on RAN OHP.
Currently their has been a lot of talk going on about enhanced anti-submarine warfare capabilities for PN OHPs... could RUM-139 VL-ASROC be one of them?


Perhaps hull mounted sonar also?
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