Pakistan Navy Should Create it own Independent Air wing

[rockstarIN]

I think P3-Orions won't come to the scene of air battle area over sea coz of the size. It will mainly used for detection/surveillance and anti-submarine warfare.

 

[Penguin]

I think P3-Orions won't come to the scene of air battle area over sea coz of the size. It will mainly used for detection/surveillance and anti-submarine warfare.

So, likewise, India wouldn't use its big Tu95/142 and Il38 MPA's for anitshipping? Wonder why they got capability for Sea Eagle and other AShM then....

 

[mikey]

on loan we can get few around 30 JH 7 for next ten to twenty years on eaisy instalments from china and sir with mirage 2000 from UAE airforce Mig 29K and Harriers will be ashes

there is difference if we and we have ?? Mig 29k and harriers are reality ,they are flying high with tricolour over indian ocean ....

 

[DEXTOR]

on loan we can get few around 30 JH 7 for next ten to twenty years on eaisy instalments from china and sir with mirage 2000 from UAE airforce Mig 29K and Harriers will be ashes

Aha..! Are you sure?? Do you even know the capabilies of Mig 29k and sea harriers??

oh i forgot if u knows,,,,then you probably didnt post such non-sense post...!

Go and do some search about mig-29k and sea harriers,,and then we will argue......

 

[rockstarIN]

So, likewise, India wouldn't use its big Tu95/142 and Il38 MPA's for anitshipping? Wonder why they got capability for Sea Eagle and other AShM then....

The Lockheed Martin P-3 Orion is a four-engine turboprop anti-submarine and maritime surveillance aircraft developed for the United States Navy and introduced in the 1960s.


Tu95 is a strategic Bomber

Both are being used for different purpose and wt I said is not that these platforms wont be used for battle, but not for air war area over sea.

Hope this clarifies..

 

[monitor]

Lesson from the history:
The one major reason Germans lost world war II was that their navy didn't had their own air wing.

Pakistan Navy should look into UAE mirages if they want a squadron of their own.

why uae's mirage .your airforce is going to have j-10 .so navy can use those for there own air wing that will reduce maintanance cost and training cost for pilot and other related personal .

 

[Penguin]

The Lockheed Martin P-3 Orion is a four-engine turboprop anti-submarine and maritime surveillance aircraft developed for the United States Navy and introduced in the 1960s.


Tu95 is a strategic Bomber

Both are being used for different purpose and wt I said is not that these platforms wont be used for battle, but not for air war area over sea.

Hope this clarifies..

Illyushin Il-38
Type: Long range maritime patrol aircraft
Role: Shore-based, long-range ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) recon into the Indian Ocean
Weapons: The IL-38 can carry torpedoes, FAB 250 freefall bombs and depth charges. The aircraft has been retrofitted to carry the Sea Eagle AShM. The BrahMos ASCM is expected to replace the Sea Eagle AShM in due course. The addition of the R-73RDM2 short-range, air-to-air missile is also being contemplated.
Bharat-Rakshak.com :: NAVY - Illyushin Il-38

The Ilyushin Il-38 is a maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft designed by the Russian-based Ilyushin Aviation Complex. Derived from the Ilyushin Il-18 turboprop transport aircraft, the Il-38 can be deployed in surveillance, search and rescue, maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare operations. The aircraft can detect and intercept surface vessels and submarines.
The aircraft has been retrofitted to carry the Sea Eagle anti-ship missiles. The missile can reach the moving targets in 110km range. It is also equipped with R-73RDM2 short-range air-to-air missiles. The aircraft is also equipped with radio communication system and electronic countermeasures system. The Indian Navy aircraft can be armed with an air-launched BrahMos supersonic cruise missile.
Ilyushin Il-38 Maritime Patrol / ASW Aircraft - Naval Technology

The Ilyushin Il-38 (NATO reporting name: "May") is a maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare aircraft designed in the Soviet Union. It was a development of the Ilyushin Il-18 turboprop transport.
The most well known military adaptation of the Il-18 is the maritime patrol/ASW Il-38 May. An aerodynamic prototype of the Il-38 first flew on 28 September 1961, with the first production aircraft following in September 1967. Production, which continued until 1972, was limited to 58 aircraft, as the longer range and more versatile Tupolev Tu-142 derivative of the Tupolev Tu-95 strategic bomber had entered service
Comparable aircraft
P-3 Orion
Ilyushin Il-38 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Tupolev Tu-142M
Type: Long Range Maritime Patrol
Comments: The Tu-142 is the maritime reconnaissance/strike version of the Tu-95
Armament: The Tu-142M can carry 12 torpedoes, FAB 250 freefall bombs and depth charges. It has a DK-12 rear gun system with two 23mm AM-23 cannons. In the late 1990s, it was announced that the Sea Eagle AShM would be integrated with the aircraft.
Bharat-Rakshak.com :: NAVY - Tupolev Tu-142M

The Tupolev Tu-142 (Туполев Ту–142) (NATO reporting name: Bear F / J) is a Russian maritime reconnaissance/anti-submarine warfare (ASW) turboprop aircraft. It is based on the Tupolev Tu-95 strategic bomber.
Originally designed as a maritime surveillance aircraft to supplement the Bear D and the Ilyushin Il-38, the Bear F evolved to become the premier anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft of the Soviet Navy during the Cold War. The ASW variants were designated as Tu-142M2 (Bear F Mod 2), Tu-142M3 (Bear F Mod 3), and Tu-142M4 (Bear F Mod 4).
The Tu-142MR (Bear J) was a variant of the Bear F modified for use in submarine communications as well as other command, control and communications (C3) duties.
Tupolev Tu-142 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Tupolev Tu-95 (Russian: Туполев Ту–95) (NATO reporting name: Bear) is a large, four-engine turboprop powered strategic bomber and missile platform
Tu-95 development was officially approved by the government on 11 July 1951.series production of the Tu-95 started in January 1956.
Whereas the Tu-95 was originally intended to drop free-falling nuclear weapons, it was subsequently modified to perform a wide range of roles, such as the deployment of cruise missiles, maritime patrol (Tu-142), and even civilian airliner (Tu-114). An AWACS platform (Tu-126) was developed from the Tu-114.
Similar aircraft
Boeing B-52 Stratofortress
Tupolev Tu-95 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Harpoon on B-52:
The AGM-84D was first introduced in 1977, and in 1979 an air-launched version was deployed on the Navy's P-3 Orion aircraft. Originally developed for the Navy to serve as its basic anti-ship missile for fleetwide use, the AGM-84D also has been adapted for use on the Air Force's B-52G bombers, which can carry from eight to 12 of the missiles.
At the direction of Headquarters Strategic Air Command, the Harpoon Air Command and Launch Control Set was fully integrated into a fully operational B-52G from Mather AFB, Calif., in March 1983. Three successful live launches at the Naval Air Warfare Center, Point Mugu, Calif., led to the modification of a total of 30 B-52Gs with Harpoon launch control equipment, enough to provide two squadrons of Harpoon-capable B-52Gs by June 30, 1985. The 42nd Bombardment Wing, Loring Air Force Base, Maine, and the 43rd Bombardment Wing, Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, were first tasked to perform the Harpoon mission. Both wings refined tactics and doctrine to merge the long-range, heavy-payload capability of the B-52 with the proven reliability of this superior stand-off attack weapon.
After Loring AFB closed and the retirement of the last B-52G at Castle AFB, Calif., the Harpoon mission was moved to the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale AFB, La. Four B-52H models were rapidly modified (as an interim measure) to accept Harpoon launch control equipment pending B-52H fleet modification. By 1997, all B-52H airframes were Harpoon capable, providing both the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot AFB, N.D., and the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale, full squadron strength capability.
AGM-84 Harpoon/SLAM - Smart Weapons

P3 Orion with 4x AGM-84 Harpoon

 

[rockstarIN]

Illyushin Il*38
Type: Long range maritime patrol aircraft
Role: Shore*based, long*range ASW (Anti*Submarine Warfare) recon into the Indian Ocean
Weapons: The IL*38 can carry torpedoes, FAB 250 freefall bombs and depth charges. The aircraft has been retrofitted to carry the Sea Eagle AShM. The BrahMos ASCM is expected to replace the Sea Eagle AShM in due course. The addition of the R*73RDM2 short*range, air*to*air missile is also being contemplated.
Bharat*Rakshak.com :: NAVY * Illyushin Il*38

The Ilyushin Il*38 is a maritime patrol and anti*submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft designed by the Russian*based Ilyushin Aviation Complex. Derived from the Ilyushin Il*18 turboprop transport aircraft, the Il*38 can be deployed in surveillance, search and rescue, maritime reconnaissance and anti*submarine warfare operations. The aircraft can detect and intercept surface vessels and submarines.
The aircraft has been retrofitted to carry the Sea Eagle anti*ship missiles. The missile can reach the moving targets in 110km range. It is also equipped with R*73RDM2 short*range air*to*air missiles. The aircraft is also equipped with radio communication system and electronic countermeasures system. The Indian Navy aircraft can be armed with an air*launched BrahMos supersonic cruise missile.
Ilyushin Il*38 Maritime Patrol / ASW Aircraft * Naval Technology

The Ilyushin Il*38 (NATO reporting name: "May") is a maritime patrol and anti*submarine warfare aircraft designed in the Soviet Union. It was a development of the Ilyushin Il*18 turboprop transport.
The most well known ******** adaptation of the Il*18 is the maritime patrol/ASW Il*38 May. An aerodynamic prototype of the Il*38 first flew on 28 September 1961, with the first production aircraft following in September 1967. Production, which continued until 1972, was limited to 58 aircraft, as the longer range and more versatile Tupolev Tu*142 derivative of the Tupolev Tu*95 strategic bomber had entered service
Comparable aircraft
P*3 Orion
Ilyushin Il*38 * Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Tupolev Tu*142M
Type: Long Range Maritime Patrol
Comments: The Tu*142 is the maritime reconnaissance/strike version of the Tu*95
Armament: The Tu*142M can carry 12 torpedoes, FAB 250 freefall bombs and depth charges. It has a DK*12 rear gun system with two 23mm AM*23 cannons. In the late 1990s, it was announced that the Sea Eagle AShM would be integrated with the aircraft.
Bharat*Rakshak.com :: NAVY * Tupolev Tu*142M

The Tupolev Tu*142 (Туполев Ту–142) (NATO reporting name: Bear F / J) is a Russian maritime reconnaissance/anti*submarine warfare (ASW) turboprop aircraft. It is based on the Tupolev Tu*95 strategic bomber.
Originally designed as a maritime surveillance aircraft to supplement the Bear D and the Ilyushin Il*38, the Bear F evolved to become the premier anti*submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft of the Soviet Navy during the Cold War. The ASW variants were designated as Tu*142M2 (Bear F Mod 2), Tu*142M3 (Bear F Mod 3), and Tu*142M4 (Bear F Mod 4).
The Tu*142MR (Bear J) was a variant of the Bear F modified for use in submarine communications as well as other command, control and communications (C3) duties.
Tupolev Tu*142 * Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Tupolev Tu*95 (Russian: Туполев Ту–95) (NATO reporting name: Bear) is a large, four*engine turboprop powered strategic bomber and missile platform
Tu*95 development was officially approved by the government on 11 July 1951.series production of the Tu*95 started in January 1956.
Whereas the Tu*95 was originally intended to drop free*falling nuclear weapons, it was subsequently modified to perform a wide range of roles, such as the deployment of cruise missiles, maritime patrol (Tu*142), and even civilian airliner (Tu*114). An AWACS platform (Tu*126) was developed from the Tu*114.
Similar aircraft
Boeing B*52 Stratofortress
Tupolev Tu*95 * Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Harpoon on B*52:
The AGM*84D was first introduced in 1977, and in 1979 an air*launched version was deployed on the Navy's P*3 Orion aircraft. Originally developed for the Navy to serve as its basic anti*ship missile for fleetwide use, the AGM*84D also has been adapted for use on the Air Force's B*52G bombers, which can carry from eight to 12 of the missiles.
At the direction of Headquarters Strategic Air Command, the Harpoon Air Command and Launch Control Set was fully integrated into a fully operational B*52G from Mather AFB, Calif., in March 1983. Three successful live launches at the Naval Air Warfare Center, Point Mugu, Calif., led to the modification of a total of 30 B*52Gs with Harpoon launch control equipment, enough to provide two squadrons of Harpoon*capable B*52Gs by June 30, 1985. The 42nd Bombardment Wing, Loring Air Force Base, Maine, and the 43rd Bombardment Wing, Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, were first tasked to perform the Harpoon mission. Both wings refined tactics and doctrine to merge the long*range, heavy*payload capability of the B*52 with the proven reliability of this superior stand*off attack weapon.
After Loring AFB closed and the retirement of the last B*52G at Castle AFB, Calif., the Harpoon mission was moved to the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale AFB, La. Four B*52H models were rapidly modified (as an interim measure) to accept Harpoon launch control equipment pending B*52H fleet modification. By 1997, all B*52H airframes were Harpoon capable, providing both the 5th Bomb Wing at Minot AFB, N.D., and the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale, full squadron strength capability.
AGM*84 Harpoon/SLAM * Smart Weapons

P3 Orion with 4x AGM*84 Harpoon

Wt exactly you mean to say?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Pakistan should still seek Frigates and Destroyers

You can't land 5,000 troops on enemy lines with 2 seater planes

We need to be strategically be able to move 5,000-10,000 troops into enemy territories

Or strategically move the ships close to borders and use the cruise missiles for shock and awe

On our enemies who every they may be - which there are none


The fighter wing is great secondary idea in absence of good airdefence system on the ships

 

[AUz]

Well Strategically landing 5000 to 10,000 troops on enemy land??? Well sir we aren't US.First Pakistan neighbors with Hindustan ,so NO need to 'Strategically land" Pakistan Army on Indian Territory...And 2nd and more important thing...When you conduct such an operation then you need "Strategic Transportation of Logistics" too.Like transporting AL-KHALIDS,APCs,Amunation etc etc...!!

 

[mikey]

Pakistan should still seek Frigates and Destroyers

You can't land 5,000 troops on enemy lines with 2 seater planes

We need to be strategically be able to move 5,000-10,000 troops into enemy territories

Or strategically move the ships close to borders and use the cruise missiles for shock and awe

On our enemies who every they may be - which there are none


The fighter wing is great secondary idea in absence of good airdefence system on the ships

bt those 2 seaters planes can easily wiped out 5000- 10000 soldiers and not to mention withot aircover your amphibious ships will be like target practice for our naval air ... Everything has its own meaning ,you cant ignore its importance even if u don't pocess..

 

[MAFIAN GOD]

why uae's mirage .your airforce is going to have j-10 .so navy can use those for there own air wing that will reduce maintanance cost and training cost for pilot and other related personal .

PAF WILL RECEIVE J-10 IN AROUND 2016/17 AND AIR FORCE AND NAVAL VERSION OF ANY AIRCRAFT ARE GENERALLY DIFFERENT.

 

[mughaljee]

good post, but we need or this a lot of $ ?

 

[rockstarIN]

Need a mobile platform for an effective offensive naval air arm, which is very costly to procure and maintain, else can have a dedicated air wing situated near Barbour for air defense.

Rgds,

 

[Nav]

Pakistan should raise multiple sqaurdons of JF-17s for PN to start with. Z9 Helicopters have already been added. Z10 should be inducted in the future.

UAE Mirages are a good options as well. Additional 5 P3-C Orions will be added. The newly added F-16s can also carry anti-ship weapons.

there were rumors about Jf-17 N. Whts new About Jf 17N?