but betterHarbah is basically a Sea Babur.
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but betterHarbah is basically a Sea Babur.
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A Pakistan Navy Khalid-class AIP attack submarine underway in the Arabian Sea..
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These ships like one more pn got will be used to support existing fleet ?Why just we go for new mine sweepers rather than these few decades old
Pakistan Navy modernisation Plan execution continues..
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theyre probably in better condition than our own tbh, the europeans dont really use their equiptment like we do
atmaca in its current form is a worse missile than harbah, harbah has far better ecm resistence, far better accuracy, longer range and also bigger warhead
Can you expand on how you know or at least in what way ECM on harbah is better. Turkey in general seems to have superior electronics compared to Pakistan. So i find the authorativeness a bit puzzling. Do we really have any significant info about each missile's ECM capabilities in the public domain that we can maje such statements. That said, the rest of what you said here is definitely not debatable. I see no role for ATMACA in PAF except as a possible Harpoon replacement (Sea Kings) should it become necessary, or if PN somehow goes for more MRTP (which i dont see happening)t
theyre probably in better condition than our own tbh, the europeans dont really use their equiptment like we do
atmaca in its current form is a worse missile than harbah, harbah has far better ecm resistence, far better accuracy, longer range and also bigger warhead
As with most situations... "The answer is money. What's your question?" One thing at a time. Updating marines won't mean anything if the ships they protect get sunk.Why nave not modernize Pak marines they should be given priority as well
Can you expand on how you know or at least in what way ECM on harbah is better. Turkey in general seems to have superior electronics compared to Pakistan. So i find the authorativeness a bit puzzling. Do we really have any significant info about each missile's ECM capabilities in the public domain that we can maje such statements. That said, the rest of what you said here is definitely not debatable. I see no role for ATMACA in PAF except as a possible Harpoon replacement (Sea Kings) should it become necessary, or if PN somehow goes for more MRTP (which i dont see happening)
As with most situations... "The answer is money. What's your question?" One thing at a time. Updating marines won't mean anything if the ships they protect get sunk.
The PN will rely on the Harbah and SMASH. I don't think they'd need the Atmaca.The Anti Ship contender for future PN Ships :
The Coastal defense version is also available :
Agreed but atleast arm them with locally build light tanks few halos here and there but there is nothing done absolutely fact is navy has big budget now atleast buy 15 attack halos few transport halos few existing C 130 converted in spooky configuration fewIFV which pak is producing locallyCan you expand on how you know or at least in what way ECM on harbah is better. Turkey in general seems to have superior electronics compared to Pakistan. So i find the authorativeness a bit puzzling. Do we really have any significant info about each missile's ECM capabilities in the public domain that we can maje such statements. That said, the rest of what you said here is definitely not debatable. I see no role for ATMACA in PAF except as a possible Harpoon replacement (Sea Kings) should it become necessary, or if PN somehow goes for more MRTP (which i dont see happening)
As with most situations... "The answer is money. What's your question?" One thing at a time. Updating marines won't mean anything if the ships they protect get sunk.
In base model its true.The PN will rely on the Harbah and SMASH. I don't think they'd need the Atmaca.
However, the PN might be interested in the 'Cakir' ALCM. It'd fill that longstanding gap for a Penguin-type AShM that the PN could use from its helicopters and smaller boats (like MRTP-33).
Hybrid Seeker development already in motion.Very easy, ill tell you how:
Harbah- uses both active radar and PASSIVE imaging seekers.
Atmaca- in its current stage relies on ARH.
Passive imaging seekers can not be detected and are also basically invincible to jamming in this application. Harbah can operate in an environment where it must stay silent or is denied use of its seeker, Atmaca in its current stage cannot.![]()
PN has been running twin seekers since before atmaca was tested.Hybrid Seeker development already in motion.
Yes - I have repeatedly said for now we are ahead in range & Seeker.PN has been running twin seekers since before atmaca was tested.
the Navy is the most innovative branch in our forces, if anything, i genuinely think that if the navy was in charge of lots of projects theyd have been betterYes - I have repeatedly said for now we are ahead in range & Seeker.
However as a fundamental concept , Weapons development is an evolving goal post.
Lets see how much PN is able to catch up to latest developments in next 10 years , compared to Turkish industrial eco system.
The naval arm is notorious for hibernation while Turks would be developing their systems at rapid pace.
So lets discuss in coming years.