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Pakistan navy AA defenses should be more focused first rather than inducting used ships modify the ships to carry AA missile of medium range atleast and FL 3000n type CIWS additional. I am not think tank or expert but I am sure we havent learned about aa defenses for navy from 71. when migs were flying over far towards PECHS Block 2 areas of karachi
 
Pakistan navy AA defenses should be more focused first rather than inducting used ships modify the ships to carry AA missile of medium range atleast and FL 3000n type CIWS additional. I am not think tank or expert but I am sure we havent learned about aa defenses for navy from 71. when migs were flying over far towards PECHS Block 2 areas of karachi

Pakistan Navy bohat deeth hai....uno ko Farak nahi parta......chahay india Pak.Navy ka band baja day...
 
Pakistan Navy bohat deeth hai....uno ko Farak nahi parta......chahay india Pak.Navy ka band baja day...
right even if they have budget issue than it should be considered or atleast dialogued so that the budget could increase for procurements
 
I wish to see some more OHPs coming from USN like 9 or so. Also, possible acquisition of UK's frigates.
 
India just tested nuclear sub and yet news told that it was successful so what we are prepared for that or any procurements done or planned in near future to make it balance or it will be just like past.
 
Really pak navy needs a huge shake up....
Their performance is lack luster at best....
Since 2000 they announced they will require a nuclear submarine and have done notging about it in past 16 years....
They are reluctant to adopt new technologies...and dont seem to have any vision at all...
They need to put a nuclear submarine in sea really soon
 
Seaspark-15

BY SULTAN M HALI

Ensuring PN’s operational readiness


Armed Forces and their various components periodically conduct exercises or war games to employ their martial resources in training for military operations, either exploring the effects of warfare or testing strategies and validating concepts. Pakistani military is no exception and each service conducts exercises in realistic scenarios, individually as well as integrating the other two services for joint operations.

Pakistan Navy (PN) is no exception and to ensure its operational readiness, it frequently conducts exercises of different magnitude.

The task of PN has become more challenging because of the advent of maritime terrorism while the extension of Pakistan’s sea limits from 200 to 350 nautical miles, adding over 50,000 sq km of continental shelf, to the previous 240,000 sq km of EEZ, under Pakistan’s jurisdiction has amplified its watch keeping responsibilities. The upgradation of Gwadar Port and commencement of work on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), of which Gwadar is the lynchpin, has added a new dimension to PN’s sphere of responsibilities. PN is charged with not only keeping Pakistan’s Sea Lanes of Communication (SLOC) open but also providing a safe and secure environment at sea for smooth functioning of the Gwadar port as well as to accrue desired socio-economic benefits of CPEC.

Major threat to Pakistan’s territorial waters emanates not only from non state actors like sea pirates but states with hostile buildup, belligerent attitude and postures. India recently announced that its Navy has 48 ships under construction at various shipyards across the nation and is on course to become a 200 ship navy by 2027 including an additional six nuclear submarines. Currently Indian Navy operates 137 combatants with new ships being added at a rate of four to five a year. Because of Indian bellicose behaviour and the varied threat, PN has to ensure its combat readiness to meet all forms of challenges.

In this milieu, PN’s major biannual maritime exercise Seaspark 2015 was conducted in the North Arabian Sea in November 2015 with a multifold scheme of objectives.

Various phases of the exercise, commencing with the planning to the execution including live firing of weapons were accomplished in a multi-threat environment in a realistic scenario. In the modern era, no force conducts operations in isolation. Similarly, PN, while corroborating its operational plans, evaluated its war preparedness and enhanced its interoperability with Pakistan Air Force and Army. All operational units of PN including ships, submarines, aircrafts, UAVs, Special Forces and Pakistan Marines along with elements of Pakistan Maritime Security Agency (PMSA), PAF and Pakistan Army participated in the exercise. During the exercise, full spectrum of threats was exercised ranging from conventional to asymmetric, cyber and information warfare domains. Besides enhancement of operational preparedness, the exercise also spotlighted the seaward defence of the coast and response against emerging non-traditional threats emanating from sea.

Pakistan’s geographic location at the confluence of major sea routes of the world is both a challenge as well as an opportunity. To turn the threat stemming from its strategic geographical position into an opportunity and ultimately strength, it is imperative that Pakistan develops its maritime sector and a potent naval force for its effective defence.

Seaspark-15 visibly demonstrated that PN’s operational and developmental plans are focused to maintain an efficient and well balanced naval force to deter aggression at sea. Its force goals are neither over ambitious nor inadequate. PN, being an extension of the state’s foreign policy, endeavours to enhance Pakistan’s maritime relations with regional and extra-regional navies by participating in and organising regular exercises and ships visits.

It is heartening to note that in the over six and a half decades of its establishment, starting humbly with a handful of World War II vintage surface crafts and having faced numerous challenges, PN has acquired a status of respect and come a long way in preparing itself to defend the maritime frontiers of Pakistan.

The public exchequer contributes some of its scarce resources towards maintaining its maritime force but it is inspiring that besides focusing on its traditional naval operations, PN actively contributes in numerous spheres of nation building. In addition to responding to the beck and call of the nation as well as the region, whenever a natural calamity strikes, PN is contributing effectively in the field of education, health and creating job opportunities for the uplift of the coastal community. During the international and national disasters or contingencies, PN has lent a helping hand in conducting extensive search, rescue and relief operations and plays an important role in the rehabilitation of the affected personnel even going to the extent of rebuilding houses, schools, medical centers and public amenities.

Seaspark-15 visibly demonstrated PN’s operational readiness to meet any challenge or threat to Pakistan’s maritime interests during peace and war but also showcased its capability of defending the SLOC connecting Gwadar with international markets, which are an extension of the CPEC.

PM Mian Nawaz Sharif, important members of his cabinet, provincial leaders of Sindh as well as the top brass of Army and Air Force witnessed live firing and culmination of the naval war game. The echelons of decision makers must have concluded that exercise Seaspark 2015 has provided the required impetus to Pakistan’s resolve of maintaining peace, security and stability in the region but they also need to ponder on a vital aspect in this realm.

The PM is a scion of the trading community and is fully cognizant of the play of factors of demand, supply, profit and loss. He must definitely be aware that maritime transport is essential to the world’s economy since 94 percent of the world’s trade is carried by sea and it is, by far, the most cost-effective way to move en masse goods and raw materials around the world. This merits the formation of a fully fledged and independent Ministry for Maritime Affairs and not a subsidiary of the Ministry of Ports and Shipping. Even a cursory glance of littoral states indicates that a majority of them have independent ministries of maritime affairs. Why should Pakistan ignore this vital sector?

Sultan M Hali

The author is a retired Group Captain and author of the book Defence & Diplomacy. Currently he is a columnist, analyst and TV talk show host.
 
Setting the sea afire

November 27, 2015

The Pakistan Navy’s (PN) war exercise code named Seaspark was conducted in the waters of the Arabian Sea. It happened to be the latest in a series of such like tactical exercises aimed at enhancing the Navy’s war fighting efficiency. The fleet’s maintenance schedule, in fact, is planned in such a manner that maximum number of ships, submarines, Maritime Patrol Aircraft and helicopters become available for participation. A year of phased work-ups at individual, squadron and fleet levels culminate in this vital exercise.
During the initial phase of the exercise, ships in harbour and at anchorage, as well as all naval installations, are required to confront all manner of asymmetric threats stemming from the air, from saboteurs and from mines. Their state of readiness is gauged from the rapidity and effectiveness of their responses. In order to give the exercise a real feel, a wartime environment is simulated to put all personnel as well as the units on which they are borne, through their paces. All ships and establishments can ill-afford to let down their guard in such an unpredictably tense, albeit simulated, environment. In parallel, warships have to be stocked up with rations, stores and ammunition on a war footing and their subsequent needs for emergency repairs, refuelling and casualty evacuation, as they arise, have to be expeditiously met.
While some threats like aerial attacks, saboteur infiltration and offensive minefields evoke a response on the basis of actual physical detection, others need to be simulated to ascertain the efficacy of the defensive network. Communication-based exercises and live firing of shore-based AA guns and surface-to-air missiles also form a part of this phase.
With the submarines already deployed in advance, the overlapping tactical phase commences with the ships foraying out of harbour in a heightened state of readiness, all equipment manned and ready. As the ships file out through a specific part of the harbour channel which has been swept clear of mines, they are required to maintain the highest level of water and gas tight integrity. For the purpose of the exercise, all available ships, submarines and aircraft are pre-divided into two opposing groups, each with its own Commander, and this comes under sharper focus during this phase. All units are under orders to carry out simulated attacks on detection of any enemy unit. A painstaking post-game analysis is conducted on conclusion to establish the validity of all reported detections, attacks and counterattacks.
This hybrid phase, which tests the alertness of the personnel to the limit under a multiple threat scenario, gives way to the firepower demonstration phase, during which all units team up again for carrying out live firing of guns, missiles and torpedoes. Active participation of PAF and Pak Army formations adds to the value of the exercise and enhances the interoperability factor.
Exercise Seaspark has been a regular feature of the PN calendar since 1979, when it replaced the earlier series of the multi-national Exercise Midlink, which folded up as CENTO unraveled. This exercise is invariably preceded by a conceptual wargame in which new ideas are tried out on paper prior implementing them on ground. Exercise Seaspark used to be held annually till 2007, when the advent of a new series of a sea exercise codenamed ‘Aman’ under a novel format was introduced. Barring unforeseen circumstances, each of these exercises is now conducted every alternate year.
Exercise Aman is based on a recognition of the ever-growing importance of maritime coordination amongst regional and even non-regional states with a vital stake in the Indian Ocean region. Realisation has by now sunk in that certain common threats at sea stemming from terrorism, piracy, gun running, narcotics smuggling and human trafficking transcend borders and can only be effectively tackled through joint planning, cooperation and execution.
PN took the vital first step in furthering maritime cooperation by joining up with the multi-national Combined Task Force (CTF 150) set up to counter terrorism-related activities in the Arabian Sea region, including the Gulf, in the aftermath of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. When piracy off the coast of Somalia assumed grave dimensions, threatening to derail global trade, a large number of regional and even extra-regional naval units converged on the danger zone to protect their individual and collective interests. When another Combined Task Force(CTF 151), this one dedicated to combating piracy was subsequently formed, PN immediately agreed to become a part of this enterprise to do its bit in countering what was turning out to be a global menace.
This year has been a particularly hectic one for the Pakistan Navy. Apart from assuming command of CTF 150 and 151 for the eighth and sixth times respectively, it has been engaged in a host of other associated activities of national and regional importance. It hosted an International Maritime Conference in mid-February on the vital theme of ‘Maritime Economy, Environment and Security Cooperation: Bringing the West Pacific and Indian Ocean Closer’, in which foreign scholars from Australia, Canada, China, India, Sri Lanka and the US also participated.
The sudden eruption of hostilities in Yemen in March left many foreign nationals stranded there amidst a constantly worsening situation. PN responded to their calls for help by sending in two warships, PNS ASLAT and SHAMSHEER, which managed to safely evacuate 245 personnel, both Pakistani and foreign nationals, from the Yemeni ports of Al-Mukalla and Al-Hodeida respectively.
Floods in Sindh in August brought in their wake a new challenge for the Navy, which set up various rescue sites and relief camps around the flood affected areas of District Shaheed Benazirabad. This operation, appropriately titled ‘Madad’ distributed 54 tons of relief supplies and rescued scores of people, prior venturing further afield to more remote regions.
A little later, in September, PN hosted an Indian Ocean Naval Symposium (IONS) Working Group on ‘Information Sharing and Interoperability’ together with a multi-nations preparatory workshop co-chaired with Australia. This activity was a precursor to the forthcoming Conclave of Chiefs scheduled the following year in Bangladesh. Since becoming a member of the IONS in March last year, Pakistan Navy has been actively contributing in furthering its stated aim of regional maritime collaboration.
March 19, 2015, can be said to be a red letter day in Pakistan’s history as this was when the 21-member United Nations Commission on the Limitation of the Continental Shelf (UNCLCS), after scrutinising the comprehensive claim submitted by Pakistan six years earlier, accepted it, thereby enabling the country to become the first in the region to have its Continental Shelf extended from the existing 200 nm to 350 nm. Apart from spearheading the effort since the mid-1990s, PN is privileged to have one of its own officer elected as member of the prestigious UN Commission, which heard, reviewed and decided Pakistan’s case.
While Exercise Seaspark focuses exclusively on sharpening the Pakistan Navy’s war fighting capabilities, the range of activities that the Navy is called upon to perform goes much beyond that. Most of it, performed at sea, away from the public glare, is still of vital importance, and equally rewarding, none the same.

The writer is a freelance columnist.
 
Setting the sea afire

November 27, 2015

The Pakistan Navy’s (PN) war exercise code named Seaspark was conducted in the waters of the Arabian Sea. It happened to be the latest in a series of such like tactical exercises aimed at enhancing the Navy’s war fighting efficiency. The fleet’s maintenance schedule, in fact, is planned in such a manner that maximum number of ships, submarines, Maritime Patrol Aircraft and helicopters become available for participation. A year of phased work-ups at individual, squadron and fleet levels culminate in this vital exercise.
During the initial phase of the exercise, ships in harbour and at anchorage, as well as all naval installations, are required to confront all manner of asymmetric threats stemming from the air, from saboteurs and from mines. Their state of readiness is gauged from the rapidity and effectiveness of their responses. In order to give the exercise a real feel, a wartime environment is simulated to put all personnel as well as the units on which they are borne, through their paces. All ships and establishments can ill-afford to let down their guard in such an unpredictably tense, albeit simulated, environment. In parallel, warships have to be stocked up with rations, stores and ammunition on a war footing and their subsequent needs for emergency repairs, refuelling and casualty evacuation, as they arise, have to be expeditiously met.
While some threats like aerial attacks, saboteur infiltration and offensive minefields evoke a response on the basis of actual physical detection, others need to be simulated to ascertain the efficacy of the defensive network. Communication-based exercises and live firing of shore-based AA guns and surface-to-air missiles also form a part of this phase.
With the submarines already deployed in advance, the overlapping tactical phase commences with the ships foraying out of harbour in a heightened state of readiness, all equipment manned and ready. As the ships file out through a specific part of the harbour channel which has been swept clear of mines, they are required to maintain the highest level of water and gas tight integrity. For the purpose of the exercise, all available ships, submarines and aircraft are pre-divided into two opposing groups, each with its own Commander, and this comes under sharper focus during this phase. All units are under orders to carry out simulated attacks on detection of any enemy unit. A painstaking post-game analysis is conducted on conclusion to establish the validity of all reported detections, attacks and counterattacks.
This hybrid phase, which tests the alertness of the personnel to the limit under a multiple threat scenario, gives way to the firepower demonstration phase, during which all units team up again for carrying out live firing of guns, missiles and torpedoes. Active participation of PAF and Pak Army formations adds to the value of the exercise and enhances the interoperability factor.
Exercise Seaspark has been a regular feature of the PN calendar since 1979, when it replaced the earlier series of the multi-national Exercise Midlink, which folded up as CENTO unraveled. This exercise is invariably preceded by a conceptual wargame in which new ideas are tried out on paper prior implementing them on ground. Exercise Seaspark used to be held annually till 2007, when the advent of a new series of a sea exercise codenamed ‘Aman’ under a novel format was introduced. Barring unforeseen circumstances, each of these exercises is now conducted every alternate year.
Exercise Aman is based on a recognition of the ever-growing importance of maritime coordination amongst regional and even non-regional states with a vital stake in the Indian Ocean region. Realisation has by now sunk in that certain common threats at sea stemming from terrorism, piracy, gun running, narcotics smuggling and human trafficking transcend borders and can only be effectively tackled through joint planning, cooperation and execution.
PN took the vital first step in furthering maritime cooperation by joining up with the multi-national Combined Task Force (CTF 150) set up to counter terrorism-related activities in the Arabian Sea region, including the Gulf, in the aftermath of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. When piracy off the coast of Somalia assumed grave dimensions, threatening to derail global trade, a large number of regional and even extra-regional naval units converged on the danger zone to protect their individual and collective interests. When another Combined Task Force(CTF 151), this one dedicated to combating piracy was subsequently formed, PN immediately agreed to become a part of this enterprise to do its bit in countering what was turning out to be a global menace.
This year has been a particularly hectic one for the Pakistan Navy. Apart from assuming command of CTF 150 and 151 for the eighth and sixth times respectively, it has been engaged in a host of other associated activities of national and regional importance. It hosted an International Maritime Conference in mid-February on the vital theme of ‘Maritime Economy, Environment and Security Cooperation: Bringing the West Pacific and Indian Ocean Closer’, in which foreign scholars from Australia, Canada, China, India, Sri Lanka and the US also participated.
The sudden eruption of hostilities in Yemen in March left many foreign nationals stranded there amidst a constantly worsening situation. PN responded to their calls for help by sending in two warships, PNS ASLAT and SHAMSHEER, which managed to safely evacuate 245 personnel, both Pakistani and foreign nationals, from the Yemeni ports of Al-Mukalla and Al-Hodeida respectively.
Floods in Sindh in August brought in their wake a new challenge for the Navy, which set up various rescue sites and relief camps around the flood affected areas of District Shaheed Benazirabad. This operation, appropriately titled ‘Madad’ distributed 54 tons of relief supplies and rescued scores of people, prior venturing further afield to more remote regions.
A little later, in September, PN hosted an Indian Ocean Naval Symposium (IONS) Working Group on ‘Information Sharing and Interoperability’ together with a multi-nations preparatory workshop co-chaired with Australia. This activity was a precursor to the forthcoming Conclave of Chiefs scheduled the following year in Bangladesh. Since becoming a member of the IONS in March last year, Pakistan Navy has been actively contributing in furthering its stated aim of regional maritime collaboration.
March 19, 2015, can be said to be a red letter day in Pakistan’s history as this was when the 21-member United Nations Commission on the Limitation of the Continental Shelf (UNCLCS), after scrutinising the comprehensive claim submitted by Pakistan six years earlier, accepted it, thereby enabling the country to become the first in the region to have its Continental Shelf extended from the existing 200 nm to 350 nm. Apart from spearheading the effort since the mid-1990s, PN is privileged to have one of its own officer elected as member of the prestigious UN Commission, which heard, reviewed and decided Pakistan’s case.
While Exercise Seaspark focuses exclusively on sharpening the Pakistan Navy’s war fighting capabilities, the range of activities that the Navy is called upon to perform goes much beyond that. Most of it, performed at sea, away from the public glare, is still of vital importance, and equally rewarding, none the same.

The writer is a freelance columnist.
So long story.....sea spark........sea spark.....when Pakistan sleep further as they are sleeping......sea spark will be shaked very strongly by Indian Navy as they did in 1971 and as they did with Atlantik and PC.3 Oriens.......
Setting the sea afire

November 27, 2015

The Pakistan Navy’s (PN) war exercise code named Seaspark was conducted in the waters of the Arabian Sea. It happened to be the latest in a series of such like tactical exercises aimed at enhancing the Navy’s war fighting efficiency. The fleet’s maintenance schedule, in fact, is planned in such a manner that maximum number of ships, submarines, Maritime Patrol Aircraft and helicopters become available for participation. A year of phased work-ups at individual, squadron and fleet levels culminate in this vital exercise.
During the initial phase of the exercise, ships in harbour and at anchorage, as well as all naval installations, are required to confront all manner of asymmetric threats stemming from the air, from saboteurs and from mines. Their state of readiness is gauged from the rapidity and effectiveness of their responses. In order to give the exercise a real feel, a wartime environment is simulated to put all personnel as well as the units on which they are borne, through their paces. All ships and establishments can ill-afford to let down their guard in such an unpredictably tense, albeit simulated, environment. In parallel, warships have to be stocked up with rations, stores and ammunition on a war footing and their subsequent needs for emergency repairs, refuelling and casualty evacuation, as they arise, have to be expeditiously met.
While some threats like aerial attacks, saboteur infiltration and offensive minefields evoke a response on the basis of actual physical detection, others need to be simulated to ascertain the efficacy of the defensive network. Communication-based exercises and live firing of shore-based AA guns and surface-to-air missiles also form a part of this phase.
With the submarines already deployed in advance, the overlapping tactical phase commences with the ships foraying out of harbour in a heightened state of readiness, all equipment manned and ready. As the ships file out through a specific part of the harbour channel which has been swept clear of mines, they are required to maintain the highest level of water and gas tight integrity. For the purpose of the exercise, all available ships, submarines and aircraft are pre-divided into two opposing groups, each with its own Commander, and this comes under sharper focus during this phase. All units are under orders to carry out simulated attacks on detection of any enemy unit. A painstaking post-game analysis is conducted on conclusion to establish the validity of all reported detections, attacks and counterattacks.
This hybrid phase, which tests the alertness of the personnel to the limit under a multiple threat scenario, gives way to the firepower demonstration phase, during which all units team up again for carrying out live firing of guns, missiles and torpedoes. Active participation of PAF and Pak Army formations adds to the value of the exercise and enhances the interoperability factor.
Exercise Seaspark has been a regular feature of the PN calendar since 1979, when it replaced the earlier series of the multi-national Exercise Midlink, which folded up as CENTO unraveled. This exercise is invariably preceded by a conceptual wargame in which new ideas are tried out on paper prior implementing them on ground. Exercise Seaspark used to be held annually till 2007, when the advent of a new series of a sea exercise codenamed ‘Aman’ under a novel format was introduced. Barring unforeseen circumstances, each of these exercises is now conducted every alternate year.
Exercise Aman is based on a recognition of the ever-growing importance of maritime coordination amongst regional and even non-regional states with a vital stake in the Indian Ocean region. Realisation has by now sunk in that certain common threats at sea stemming from terrorism, piracy, gun running, narcotics smuggling and human trafficking transcend borders and can only be effectively tackled through joint planning, cooperation and execution.
PN took the vital first step in furthering maritime cooperation by joining up with the multi-national Combined Task Force (CTF 150) set up to counter terrorism-related activities in the Arabian Sea region, including the Gulf, in the aftermath of the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. When piracy off the coast of Somalia assumed grave dimensions, threatening to derail global trade, a large number of regional and even extra-regional naval units converged on the danger zone to protect their individual and collective interests. When another Combined Task Force(CTF 151), this one dedicated to combating piracy was subsequently formed, PN immediately agreed to become a part of this enterprise to do its bit in countering what was turning out to be a global menace.
This year has been a particularly hectic one for the Pakistan Navy. Apart from assuming command of CTF 150 and 151 for the eighth and sixth times respectively, it has been engaged in a host of other associated activities of national and regional importance. It hosted an International Maritime Conference in mid-February on the vital theme of ‘Maritime Economy, Environment and Security Cooperation: Bringing the West Pacific and Indian Ocean Closer’, in which foreign scholars from Australia, Canada, China, India, Sri Lanka and the US also participated.
The sudden eruption of hostilities in Yemen in March left many foreign nationals stranded there amidst a constantly worsening situation. PN responded to their calls for help by sending in two warships, PNS ASLAT and SHAMSHEER, which managed to safely evacuate 245 personnel, both Pakistani and foreign nationals, from the Yemeni ports of Al-Mukalla and Al-Hodeida respectively.
Floods in Sindh in August brought in their wake a new challenge for the Navy, which set up various rescue sites and relief camps around the flood affected areas of District Shaheed Benazirabad. This operation, appropriately titled ‘Madad’ distributed 54 tons of relief supplies and rescued scores of people, prior venturing further afield to more remote regions.
A little later, in September, PN hosted an Indian Ocean Naval Symposium (IONS) Working Group on ‘Information Sharing and Interoperability’ together with a multi-nations preparatory workshop co-chaired with Australia. This activity was a precursor to the forthcoming Conclave of Chiefs scheduled the following year in Bangladesh. Since becoming a member of the IONS in March last year, Pakistan Navy has been actively contributing in furthering its stated aim of regional maritime collaboration.
March 19, 2015, can be said to be a red letter day in Pakistan’s history as this was when the 21-member United Nations Commission on the Limitation of the Continental Shelf (UNCLCS), after scrutinising the comprehensive claim submitted by Pakistan six years earlier, accepted it, thereby enabling the country to become the first in the region to have its Continental Shelf extended from the existing 200 nm to 350 nm. Apart from spearheading the effort since the mid-1990s, PN is privileged to have one of its own officer elected as member of the prestigious UN Commission, which heard, reviewed and decided Pakistan’s case.
While Exercise Seaspark focuses exclusively on sharpening the Pakistan Navy’s war fighting capabilities, the range of activities that the Navy is called upon to perform goes much beyond that. Most of it, performed at sea, away from the public glare, is still of vital importance, and equally rewarding, none the same.

The writer is a freelance columnist.
Please dont take Personal......but tell me if somebody is travelling on car will reach first or that person who is walking on foot.........
Same is the difference between indian Navy and pakistan navy...nemericaly and tecnologicaly........This excercise or that excercise of pakistan navy ......sea spark.....this and that can never change fate of war.......india has edge over pakistan.......and this phrase will not work man counts behind the weapon........being a patriotic pakistani....i have fear....that india will repeat the history of 1971 and what they did with our Atlantik....and PC.3 Orions........old frigates are going to be in future decommisoned.........F.22P lack good radar....lack good air defence.......Torpedos didnt have good range.......and if Navy has to go in open sea.....to maintain its.....trade route......then game is over......same with Fast attack boats....no long endurance...no long range....and fast attack boats what they have can just.....go in open sea for few days...and lacking also good air defence.....with out RAM......just one CIWS and when it Jams......good luck.........Just 3 Agosta .....can not make big difference
Good luck..........and Mirges are old...didnt have long range radar for air to air role...no BVR......and can not give good air defence 24/7......
 
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So long story.....sea spark........sea spark.....when Pakistan sleep further as they are sleeping......sea spark will be shaked very strongly by Indian Navy as they did in 1971 and as they did with Atlantik and PC.3 Oriens.......

Please dont take Personal......but tell me if somebody is travelling on car will reach first or that person who is walking on foot.........
Same is the difference between indian Navy and pakistan navy...nemericaly and tecnologicaly........This excercise or that excercise of pakistan navy ......sea spark.....this and that can never change fate of war.......india has edge over pakistan.......and this phrase will not work man counts behind the weapon........being a patriotic pakistani....i have fear....that india will repeat the history of 1971 and what they did with our Atlantik....and PC.3 Orions........old frigates are going to be in future decommisoned.........F.22P lack good radar....lack good air defence.......Torpedos didnt have good range.......and if Navy has to go in open sea.....to maintain its.....trade route......then game is over......same with Fast attack boats....no long endurance...no long range....and fast attack boats what they have can just.....go in open sea for few days...and lacking also good air defence.....with out RAM......just one CIWS and when it Jams......good luck.........Just 3 Agosta .....can not make big difference
Good luck..........and Mirges are old...didnt have long range radar for air to air role...no BVR......and can not give good air defence 24/7......


Honourable Sir,

Let me describe the ground realities first:

Indian annual budget is approx. $265-billion versus Pakistan’s annual budget of $40-billion. Indian defence expenditure of $40-billion represents 15 % of the total budget whereas Pakistan spends about $7.5-bilion which is about 20% of the national budget (funds for Zarbe-Azb are not included).Pakistan FE Reserves are about $20-billion whereas Indian boasts $350-billion in FE Reserves.

Pray tell me how Pakistan would pay for the import of petroleum, machinery, palm oil and other essential items if we were to compete with India on equal footing in defence equipment.

Every Pakistani would like that our armed forces are provided with the best equipment there is, but if it is simply not possible what do you expect our brave soldiers should do??? It is something like the Indian soldier equipped modern automatic rifle with infrared sights whereas Pak soldier cannot afford better than the old 0.303 bolt action rifle.

You may call it an “Asymmetric war” but Pakistani armed forces have no option but to make best use of what the country can afford. Pakistanis soldier would have to innovate; may be use stealth & cover to but still has to fight for the motherland.

I am not disputing what you said is totally incorrect; but you don’t even want them to practice and become proficient in the use of the hardware that the armed services have?

Whatever you or anyone else may think; GHQ’s of Pak Army, Pak Navy & PAF are staffed with professionals. These people have decades of service in their respective fields and know better than me & you as to how to get the most bang for their buck.

I therefore humbly suggest that keep ground realities in mind before posting that exercise Sea Spark was a complete waste of time
 
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Every thing can be justified....yes budget make problems.......but ...but.......but why and how happend the incident.........of Atlantic in Run of Kutch......why with very sensitive survilience aircraft was not air support from fighter jet........same happend on junction of persian gulf and arabian sea.....one survilience aircraft on mission.....in the vicinity of an American aircraft carrier lost.....without reason.....with out mentioning some problem....no air support.........no guards on Naval base......important assest in form of PC.3 Oriens.......were lost....were lost.....none of Navy officers......Base commande......Navy Chief......felt guilty.......why.......They were responible for that account.........in all these matters was budget a hurdel i think no but Management, supervision, dedication and
planning so.......same by buying Frigrates if you cannot afford four frigrates with best technology....with long range radar....long range Torpedos......most importantly Long range air defence missels then buy please three (3) instead of four (4)....simple is that.........similarly with the Fast missel boats...should have same endurance time as Frigrates and CIWS and RAM missel system this is standard now a days all over the world.....because to engage enemy ship Fast attack missel boat goes further always guided by long range radar of Frigrate and takes enemy ships....Fast attack boats very good against antisubmarine warfare.....because they are fast....and small and submarines avoid to take them as targes........so why Pakistan Navy dont buy less number but goodQUALITY STUFF.....WHY NOT LESS NUMBER BUT GOOD QUALITY STUFF....
 
So long story.....sea spark........sea spark.....when Pakistan sleep further as they are sleeping......sea spark will be shaked very strongly by Indian Navy as they did in 1971 and as they did with Atlantik and PC.3 Oriens.......

Please dont take Personal......but tell me if somebody is travelling on car will reach first or that person who is walking on foot.........
Same is the difference between indian Navy and pakistan navy...nemericaly and tecnologicaly........This excercise or that excercise of pakistan navy ......sea spark.....this and that can never change fate of war.......india has edge over pakistan.......and this phrase will not work man counts behind the weapon........being a patriotic pakistani....i have fear....that india will repeat the history of 1971 and what they did with our Atlantik....and PC.3 Orions........old frigates are going to be in future decommisoned.........F.22P lack good radar....lack good air defence.......Torpedos didnt have good range.......and if Navy has to go in open sea.....to maintain its.....trade route......then game is over......same with Fast attack boats....no long endurance...no long range....and fast attack boats what they have can just.....go in open sea for few days...and lacking also good air defence.....with out RAM......just one CIWS and when it Jams......good luck.........Just 3 Agosta .....can not make big difference
Good luck..........and Mirges are old...didnt have long range radar for air to air role...no BVR......and can not give good air defence 24/7......

Sadly that's your opinion
 
Sadly that's your opinion
Sir my opinion is reality based.. describes technical shortcomings of PaK.Navy.....being a patriotic Pakistani i cannot praise them .....when they make mistakes......they need on Navy Ships same Range of acive and passive radars....as indians have.....Pakistan Navy should worry about air defence....of Navy ships.....because it does not fullfill standards of modern warfare......Fast attck missel boats......missing RAM Missel system.....every fast attack boat has that in the world.....on Azmat class submarine they have 23 mm gun but without radar guidance and IR Tv sensor.....endurance of Fast attack boats can not withstand with F.22P.....so Fast attack boats cannot support F.22P .....in war when a conforntation is due with enemy ships or submarines. ..
 
Sir my opinion is reality based.. describes technical shortcomings of PaK.Navy.....being a patriotic Pakistani i cannot praise them .....when they make mistakes......they need on Navy Ships same Range of acive and passive radars....as indians have.....Pakistan Navy should worry about air defence....of Navy ships.....because it does not fullfill standards of modern warfare......Fast attck missel boats......missing RAM Missel system.....every fast attack boat has that in the world.....on Azmat class submarine they have 23 mm gun but without radar guidance and IR Tv sensor.....endurance of Fast attack boats can not withstand with F.22P.....so Fast attack boats cannot support F.22P .....in war when a conforntation is due with enemy ships or submarines. ..

But where is the money going to come from????? Senior posters have been trying to explain to you that there is no money!!! If people like you can figure out the obvious than the top brass would too.

The issue is about money and not lack of knowledge of new weapons systems or strategy.

Fast Attack boats do no tact in support of large units!!! They are designed for littoral defense where as a frigate or a destroyer is more of a blue water surface unit.

Get your facts and concepts straight before launching into senseless tirade after tirade.
 
In world war 2 in 1938-39...
German navy was dwarfed by mighty royal navy.... 2 observation from that war are
1- german submarines were more than a match for british navy and not only kept them at bay but also did a lot of damage to commercial shipping...
I think pakistan has already contracted for 8 new submarines
2- mighty royal navy could not prevent complete decimation of british and french and most of europe...
When countries share a long border together naval short comings can be compensated caz most of fighting is on ground...

I think best way forward for now is to have long range missile anti ship capabilities (anti ship babur, submarine fired cruise missiles; anti ship ballistic missile can be a game changer here) and alot of submarines....
I think navy is already working on submarine part...
Dont know about others
 

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