Pakistan moves ahead of India in nuclear stockpile

[shaheenmissile]

Pakistan pursues Teller-Ulam Design..Inner core Plutonium then Tritium and outer most core HEU.

 

[MilSpec]

When do we plan on moving ahead of India in education, economy, social peace and scientific fields?

Well, on PDF you are way ahead on all those counts....

 

[janon]

Pakistan pursues Teller-Ulam Design..Inner core Plutonium then Tritium and outer most core HEU.

No, Pakistan's bomb is a boosted-fission device - ie, a small fusion explosion causes a much bigger fission explosion, the latter of which contributes most to the destructive power.

Teller-Ulam design is only for thermonuclear weapons, which functions the other way round - a small fission explosion ignites a massive fusion reaction, and most of the destructive power comes from the latter. All thermonuclear devices possessed by the P5 are of the TU design.

 

[Donatello]

No, Pakistan's bomb is a boosted-fission device - ie, a small fusion explosion causes a much bigger fission explosion, the latter of which contributes most to the destructive power.

Teller-Ulam design is only for thermonuclear weapons, which functions the other way round - a small fission explosion ignites a massive fusion reaction, and most of the destructive power comes from the latter. All thermonuclear devices possessed by the P5 are of the TU design.

Yea, arguing like a fool as if you were sent all the details.

Pakistan initially started the nuclear weapons program with Plutonium, and since procuring equipment from Europe/USA at the time was proving difficult, Pakistan kept an alternate route which was Uranium based. At some later time, Plutonium program was restarted. The world really doesn't know much about Pakistan's nukes other than estimates. Indians especially, can keep guessing and pacify themselves that Pakistan's nuke yield is this and that. Rest assured, it is enough to wipe most of India with direct or indirect radiation effects.

 

[janon]

Yea, arguing like a fool as if you were sent all the details.

Pakistan initially started the nuclear weapons program with Plutonium, and since procuring equipment from Europe/USA at the time was proving difficult, Pakistan kept an alternate route which was Uranium based. At some later time, Plutonium program was restarted. The world really doesn't know much about Pakistan's nukes other than estimates. Indians especially, can keep guessing and pacify themselves that Pakistan's nuke yield is this and that. Rest assured, it is enough to wipe most of India with direct or indirect radiation effects.

I am not arguing, but pointing out a simple, scientific fact.

Did I say anything about what the yield is or whether it is enough or do any sort of dick measuring? Calm down and read my post again, which is only correcting a factual mistake on his part, that Pakistan uses the Teller-Ulam design. It is a fact that TU design is exclusively for TN weapons, more specifically for multistage TN weapons. Pakistan uses boosted HEU design, not TU design. This is a technical point that has nothing to do with dick measuring or prestige, so keep your name calling to yourself.

Do you know the difference between a boosted fission device and a thermonuclear device? Heck, do you even know what the Teller-Ulam design is? Do you know more than the father of your nuke program, AQ Khan?

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Pakistan/KhanInterview.html

Anyway, keep up these vaccous posts of no technical value, but plenty of "we can wipe you out, we can wipe you out" - how else would you justify your title on PDF?

 

[Donatello]

I am not arguing, but pointing out a simple, scientific fact.

Did I say anything about what the yield is or whether it is enough or do any sort of dick measuring? Calm down and read my post again, which is only correcting a factual mistake on his part, that Pakistan uses the Teller-Ulam design. It is a fact that TU design is exclusively for TN weapons, more specifically for multistage TN weapons. Pakistan uses boosted HEU design, not TU design. This is a technical point that has nothing to do with dick measuring or prestige, so keep your name calling to yourself.

Do you know the difference between a boosted fission device and a thermonuclear device? Heck, do you even know what the Teller-Ulam design is? Do you know more than the father of your nuke program, AQ Khan?

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Pakistan/KhanInterview.html

Anyway, keep up these vaccous posts of no technical value, but plenty of "we can wipe you out, we can wipe you out" - how else would you justify your title on PDF?

Within the echelons of Pakistan's nuclear program, AQ Khan is not even considered father of Pakistan's nuke program. I mean, i am seriously laughing right now that an Indian wants to lecture me on Pakistan's nuke program, and gets it all wrong. Nice one.

 

[HariPrasad]

New Delhi: Pakistan and India have steadily increased their nuclear arsenal from 60-80 and 70-90 warheads in 2010, to 110-120 and 90-110 respectively by 2014, a new report by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) said on Monday.

China has more than double that number with 250 warheads. The US and Russia, of course, are in a different league altogether with 7,000-8,000 warheads each, together possessing 93% of all nuclear weapons.

The data compiled by the SIPRI shows that at the start of 2014, the nine nuclear armed states, namely United States, Russia, United Kingdom, France, China, India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea together possessed approximately 16 300, nuclear warheads, while the number of active/deployed nuclear weapons was around 4000.

Russia, US still lead world nuclear arsenals

The report further states that despite the reduction in the number of nuclear weapons the nuclear armed states are apparently not willing to completely dismantle their nuclear arsenals, instead have been modernising their delivery systems.

It further claims that all five legally recognised nuclear weapon states—China, France, Russia, UK and USA—are either deploying new nuclear weapon delivery systems or have announced programmes to do so.

But rather than its actual stockpile of warheads as compared to Pakistan and China, the Indian defence establishment remains more worried about its delivery systems.

The Indian armed forces still do not have SLBMs (submarine-launched ballistic missiles) and ICBMs (inter-continental ballistic missiles) in their arsenal, both of which are needed for credible deterrence against its two neighbours.

India may have conducted two successful tests of its first ICBM, the over 5,000-km Agni-V, over the last couple of years but it will take at least three years for the missile to become fully-operational. Similarly, the 750-km K-15 SLBM is yet to be tested from India's first indigenous nuclear-powered submarine INS Arihant, which is slated to head for extensive "sea trials" only later this year.

The report further claims that there is an emerging consensus in the expert community that North Korea has produced a small number of nuclear weapons, as distinct from rudimentary nuclear explosive devices.

A longer range SLBM, the over 2,000-km K-4, was also tested for the first-time from a submersible pontoon in March.

Apart from the shorter-range Prithvi missiles, India currently has the Agni-I (700-km), Agni-II (2,000-km) and Agni-III (3,000-km) missiles under its Strategic Forces Command.
Pakistan moves ahead of India in nuclear stockpile

I have already posted couple of days back.

 

[janon]

Within the echelons of Pakistan's nuclear program, AQ Khan is not even considered father of Pakistan's nuke program. I mean, i am seriously laughing right now that an Indian wants to lecture me on Pakistan's nuke program, and gets it all wrong. Nice one.

My point is very simple. Pakistan does not use the Teller Ulam design. How do I know this? In the same way that I know that your nukes are not made from concrete and plaster of paris. Anybody who knows even the rudimentary physics behind nuclear weapons would know that TU design is not meant for the kind of devices that Pak makes.

I am not lecturing you, although from your behaviour and the lack of substance in your posts, it is clear that I am amply qualified to do so. I am making a simple, scientific, prosaic fact - TU design is not used for HEU bombs.

I don't have the time or the inclination for an ego contest, so I will leave it at that. When it comes to scientific points, I don't think in terms of Indian or Pakistani - facts are more important to me than nationalities.

 

[Donatello]

My point is very simple. Pakistan does not use the Teller Ulam design. How do I know this? In the same way that I know that your nukes are not made from concrete and plaster of paris. Anybody who knows even the rudimentary physics behind nuclear weapons would know that TU design is not meant for the kind of devices that Pak makes.

I am not lecturing you, although from your behaviour and the lack of substance in your posts, it is clear that I am amply qualified to do so. I am making a simple, scientific, prosaic fact - TU design is not used for HEU bombs.

I don't have the time or the inclination for an ego contest, so I will leave it at that. When it comes to scientific points, I don't think in terms of Indian or Pakistani - facts are more important to me than nationalities.

You are amply qualified? I guess that's a case of hurt ego. So tell me again, is AQ Khan the father of Pakistan's bomb? Because i am more than amply qualified to set your tone right with regards to Pakistan's nuclear program. I can read and learn about nuclear physics all i want, but you definitely make it look a lot boring than it really is.
I merely stated a fact that as contradictory to your claims, AQ Khan was not the father of the nuclear program (WHICH CLEARLY PROVES YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING. A SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH WOULD HAVE REVEALED NAMES other than AQ KHAN). Most of these scientists who started the initial ground work were all educated and experienced in their fields in the west. Some even came from Los Alamos in USA. While the likes of you harp about AQ Khan, the fact is Pakistan had access to lot more sources than it is known. You will NOT hear or read about Pakistan's nuclear plans or details on a piece of paper or a website.

Now here are some facts that are known:
During the 1970s, Americans were able to pressure the British/French consortium on not selling Pakistan the equipment needed for Plutonium processing and production. However, Pakistan already had the second, Uranium route underway. Americans thought that Pakistan can no longer pursue a weapon now. Wallah, the rest is history. Over the 1990s, Pakistan reorganized it's nuclear research facilities, including those for Plutonium weapons and this Plutonium route was re-started, and current status is unknown. Programs like these are best kept under secrecy.

And in none of my posts did i mention TU. Seems like you wanted to brag about it and hence you dragged the conversation all the way there, without proving anything.

 

[janon]

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And in none of my posts did i mention TU. Seems like you wanted to brag about it and hence you dragged the conversation all the way there, without proving anything.

Strange, because the very first post you responded to me was when I explained that Pak does not use the TU design. That was the sole point I wanted to make in this thread, to which you called me a fool.

All these points about whether AQK is the father or mother or grandfather of Pak's program are tangential to my point.

I repeat - my original post on this thread was ONLY about Pak's design not being TU. None of the "facts" you are going on about ever figured in any of my posts.

To anybody else who might want to read and understand facts, without name calling and hurt ego - Pakistan does not use Teller-Ulam design, which is exclusively for multistage thermonuclear devices. Pakistan's bomb uses fusion at the primary stage to produce a large fission reaction, kind of opposite of what TN weapons do. (In effect, it is halfway between a pure fission bomb and a TN bomb.) This is not meant to denigrate Pak's capabilities, but to explain the physics behind it. I'm not too interested in boasts and bombast about who can vaporize who, I'll leave those blusters to the jobless TTAs.

 

[Arya Desa]

But make sure it doesn't affect the surrounding countries. Especially Bangladesh.

You're going to be the 1st people they attack. You thing they have fogiven bongladesh for 1971 lies about genocide?

 

[gslv mk3]

Yea, arguing like a fool as if you were sent all the details.

Pakistan initially started the nuclear weapons program with Plutonium, and since procuring equipment from Europe/USA at the time was proving difficult, Pakistan kept an alternate route which was Uranium based. At some later time, Plutonium program was restarted. The world really doesn't know much about Pakistan's nukes other than estimates. Indians especially, can keep guessing and pacify themselves that Pakistan's nuke yield is this and that. Rest assured, it is enough to wipe most of India with direct or indirect radiation effects.

When did Pakistan tested TNs ?

@The Deterrent

 

[HariPrasad]

When did Pakistan tested TNs ?

@The Deterrent

Pakistan's warmonger Minister at that time Mr Gohar Ayub khan had declared at that time that Pakistan tested TN bomb in one of its device. Nobody backed him.

 

[gslv mk3]

Pakistan's warmonger Minister at that time Mr Gohar Ayub khan had declared at that time that Pakistan tested TN bomb in one of its device. Nobody backed him.

Any links mate ?

 

[HariPrasad]

Any links mate ?

Unable to find specific link but this sort of jingoism was there at that time.

Pakistan `ready' to explode H-bomb - Independent.ie