Pakistan Military options in Kashmir today - a perspective

[third eye]

I'm very sure about 1 thing... WINDOW TO TAKE ACTION IS CLOSING TOO FAST... FOR PAKISTAN...

There never was a window.

 

[TsAr]

With such an overwhelming attack from Pak as OP describes, Pakistani coast will immediately be under attack from IN. In any case, there'll be regular visits by Scorpenes.

More than spreading your military thin, it has the effect of hollowing out your economy.

Dont worry we will detect your subs and this time they will not go back in one piece...

 

[Arsalan 345]

multiple fronts will be open.before attacking india,pakistan should reinforce entire border which is practically impossible.india always have numerical superiority.i urge not to attack first.if they attack first,use nukes.everyone must die and not just pakistan.

first thing is to detect ibgs near border.that is very important and intelligence can do it.second is to target ibgs inside indian territory.don't strike them inside pakistan.clear area which could be affected due to nuclear strike.there is no chance of existence but we must destroy india completely.this is all we can do before dying.

 

[RealNapster]

In defensive role PA should dissolve and adopt more loose unit structure with guerilla tactics. Where Captains, subedars jco's and nco's have more intiative but pertaining to the general staff's greater objectives during the campaign. Kinda like what Zaid Hamid was saying (yeah he's a nutjob) but what he was saying makes sense and is a good option. US did same with JSOC in Iraq. But we need to merge JSOC Iraq example with what TTP was doing in the mountains intricate tunnels, ieds, ambushes and shoot & scoot etc.

Thats a good option if you have less numbers. PA have no such issues. Maybe in one or two specific sectors but not overall. We have plenty men to man border and still creating atleast 2 defensive lines.

 

[StormBreaker]

With such an overwhelming attack from Pak as OP describes, Pakistani coast will immediately be under attack from IN. In any case, there'll be regular visits by Scorpenes.

More than spreading your military thin, it has the effect of hollowing out your economy.

Ohh, yeah, poor PN, we have no ships, subs, anti ship/carieer weapons, and Ground based anti ship defenses and radars.

What pakistan navy is capable of is only this...

You guys have a sick mentality of always going for the number comparison, while, yea it does matter, but the smaller the coast line, more saturated the defense mechanisms. You guys have extremely slim chances to get by only to face Aerial attacks and Ground based defenses as well as BMs

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

They will. This time. because last time, the plan was ill conceived, no ground work had been laid for the operation. the idiot field marshall thought that dropping soldiers out of the blue, without proper planning will win him the war. India learned from his mistakes in 71, first foundation was laid i.e propaganda against Pakistan to turn them against Pakistan. Then they trained them, first small level activities of sabotage were carried out, then, gradually, they stepped up the effort.

All of those steps have already been taken. This time there is a section of Kashmiris who have been fighting an will fight. and are against india, and are protesting against them.

They won't. What are they doing right now to fight the occupation? Are they fighting like hongkong or sitting there like sheep?

@waz @The Eagle can you take care of the -----from the east in this thread. They have no reason to be here.

 

[Kaniska]

They won't. What are they doing right now to fight the occupation? Are they fighting like hongkong or sitting there like sheep?

@waz @The Eagle can you take care of the -----from the east in this thread. They have no reason to be here.

Spot on...If Hong Kong people can paralyze the entire city against mighy China then who is stopping these valley people to paralyze Indian army with massive protests and violence on the street? If they can do the same in Burhan Wani time, what is stopping them now? Definitely they do not love India.But are they ready to take a risk to fight with India for the sake of 370?

 

[S.Y.A]

They won't. What are they doing right now to fight the occupation? Are they fighting like hongkong or sitting there like sheep?

@waz @The Eagle can you take care of the -----from the east in this thread. They have no reason to be here.

because china isnt using its military there. india has hundreds and thousands of heavily armed men posted there who arent afraid to use deadly force. also, nearly all hope has left them. they fought in the 90s, and then mushi and the current establishment took away their support. they have nothing to fight with, and no hope, just a crushing sense of defeat and loss. if only you had talked to people over there.

it is a shame that instead of helping them, our people are blaming them for their troubles.

 

[Mandalorian_CA]

kashmir was taken right under our nose and there is nothing we can do or will do. As simple as it is. Most likey a deal was struck with india not to destabilize Pakistan and Pakistan would not interfere in Kashmir.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

because china isnt using its military there. india has hundreds and thousands of heavily armed men posted there who arent afraid to use deadly force. also, nearly all hope has left them. they fought in the 90s, and then mushi and the current establishment took away their support. they have nothing to fight with, and no hope, just a crushing sense of defeat and loss. if only you had talked to people over there.

it is a shame that instead of helping them, our people are blaming them for their troubles.

Ya it is. Have you seen the armed police and people getting shot? There is no excuse for the Kashmiris acting like sheeps.

because china isnt using its military there. india has hundreds and thousands of heavily armed men posted there who arent afraid to use deadly force. also, nearly all hope has left them. they fought in the 90s, and then mushi and the current establishment took away their support. they have nothing to fight with, and no hope, just a crushing sense of defeat and loss. if only you had talked to people over there.

it is a shame that instead of helping them, our people are blaming them for their troubles.

If they are so cruched then they should've supported PAs advance. You are just making excuses for them

Spot on...If Hong Kong people can paralyze the entire city against mighy China then who is stopping these valley people to paralyze Indian army with massive protests and violence on the street? If they can do the same in Burhan Wani time, what is stopping them now? Definitely they do not love India.But are they ready to take a risk to fight with India for the sake of 370?

Public unrest does massive amount of damage to a country and it would've spread too. As far as the north east of India.

 

[S.Y.A]

If they are so cruched then they should've supported PAs advance. You are just making excuses for them

situation back then was different from today. and supported with what? they had no weapons. and our idiot field marshal, in his infinite wisdom, himself sabotaged the advance. you are the one making excuses to justify inaction on our part.

Ya it is. Have you seen the armed police and people getting shot? There is no excuse for the Kashmiris acting like sheeps.

police and military are two different things. also, what is the excuse for us acting like sheep? our pm is telling everyone that fighting for kashmir is actually enmity with kashmir. and our govt is holding akcent concerts, and then telling us that they are in fact showing solidarity with kashmir. we have the means, and yet we are doing nothing. they have nothing and you are still blaming them. shameless creatures.

Public unrest does massive amount of damage to a country

only if it is in a central part of the country. lets say in delhi, mumbai, or banglore. kashmir has already been volatile, with skirmishes on LOC thrown in between. did it stop india from doing what it did? or did it somehow hinder its progress? stop making excuses.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

situation back then was different from today. and supported with what? they had no weapons. and our idiot field marshal, in his infinite wisdom, himself sabotaged the advance. you are the one making excuses to justify inaction on our part.


police and military are two different things. also, what is the excuse for us acting like sheep? our pm is telling everyone that fighting for kashmir is actually enmity with kashmir. and our govt is holding akcent concerts, and then telling us that they are in fact showing solidarity with kashmir. we have the means, and yet we are doing nothing. they have nothing and you are still blaming them. shameless creatures.


only if it is in a central part of the country. lets say in delhi, mumbai, or banglore. kashmir has already been volatile, with skirmishes on LOC thrown in between. did it stop india from doing what it did? or did it somehow hinder its progress? stop making excuses.

Police have guns? Yes
Army have guns? Yes
Whats the difference if one of the above shoots you? Nothing.

Do hong kongers have guns? No.
Are they being extremely effective ? Yes

So you are making excuses.

 

[Areesh]

There has been no popular mass uprising in Kashmir since 5 August 2019 against Indian actions

This is a fact

300 militants fighting in a population of 8 million people is not a popular uprising

As Americans say. Kashmiris from the valley need to "do more"

 

[Darth Vader]

Few Things Will Escalate
Biggest issue with Kashmit is its Terrain.
On one and one Pakistani Forces will have advantage because of the experience of WOT
But it has its limitations.
Depends on the End goal for Both Countries.
And on The Control of Air Space if Pakistan wants to achieve anything.
1st thing will be to block Indian Forces Push on IB or as close to its possible.
2nd Pakistan needs to get air superiority in its territory and in Kashmir as that will help control the Indian reinforcement.

Problem lies with Indian Numeric and Tech advantage they will be able to push from some sectors on IB even if pakistan does provide a tough resistance.

In Reality Both India and Pakistan cant do much beside few border skirmishes and loud Speeches.
As both sides of border may have emotional connections with each other but in every day business both sides are dependent on the countries they are controlled by.

Only sensible solutions are following
LOC gets converted into IB both countries form a non aggression pact and actually work for regional peace and prosperity.
Or Make Kashmir Whole Independent state but that will have its own issues as kashmir will be just a vassal state stuck between 2 power house who will use all kind of tactics to keep it under its control

 

[Cuirassier]

There has been no popular mass uprising in Kashmir since 5 August 2019 against Indian actions

This is a fact

300 militants fighting in a population of 8 million people is not a popular uprising

As Americans say. Kashmiris from the valley need to "do more"

British Military Review of the 1965 War

"the inhabitants of the valley, noted more for the beauty of their women, than the martial valour of their men, did not revolt"