Pakistan military is slowly bleeding America to death in Afghanistan: Former US Army Colonel 26 Aug,

[Sugarcane]

There is an approach we all know. Carrot or Sticks. They tried carrots for a decade now the other hand has a stick, they have run out of carrots and you have run out of foreign exchange. Perfect time for sticks. No?

Well, the 17 Years history suggest that Pakistan is also playing carrot and stick game, otherwise Yanks wouldn't have been screaming.

 

[ramu]

Well, the 17 Years history suggest that Pakistan is also playing carrot and stick game, otherwise Yanks wouldn't have been screaming.

The issue is about who is more desperate at this point in time. IK is a smart man and he will know that he has a mountain of problems to deal with besides the US. Will he add another mountain or scale the existing one?

 

[New World]

America and it's allies have lost around 4,000 soldiers and over 20,000 US and NATO soldiers have been injured in Afghanistan.

wasn't we allied with USA and NATO?
why they didn't count our losses of +70,000 civilians+soldiers with their losses.

 

[graphican]

Pakistan is front line state on war against terrorism. We Lost 65+ billion dollars in this war. Taliban & alqaida is also theat for Pakistan. We killed them in thousands.
We lost our thousands of soldiers in this war.
Afganistan is our neighbor, Stable Afghanistan is in the interest of Pakisan.
Lawrence Sillen is talking wrong and speaking lie, they want to blame Pakistan for their failure in Afganistan.

Very painful to find American leadership keeping their soldiers "bleed to death" in Afghanistan, and they are neither leaving Afghanistan nor they are standing against Pakistan. Looks like Pakistan has indeed defeated United States of America, at least their own statement is telling that they are morons. So was Gen. Hameed right?

"One day, history will say the ISI drove the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan with the help of USA and another sentence will be recorded that says the ISI drove the USA out of Afghanistan with the help of the USA".

 

[Sugarcane]

The issue is about who is more desperate at this point in time. IK is a smart man and he will know that he has a mountain of problems to deal with besides the US. Will he add another mountain or scale the existing one?

If Pakistan has financial problems then firecrackers have reached Presidential palace in Afghanistan as Well, it's going to be give and take not walk in the park as Hindustanis wish it to be.

 

[ramu]

If Pakistan has financial problems then firecrackers have reached Presidential palace in Afghanistan as Well, it's going to be give and take not walk in the park as Hindustanis wish it to be.

You think that American army cannot scuttle crackers in their zone of influence? They are far too smart to let it get to them. Why do you think Afghan now has a credible force and why do you think they are getting trained?

America does not want to declare victory and leave. They want to have a residue force and they don't mind a small attrition. Again who is more desperate? FATF, World bank, Failing CPEC projects, ever increasing current account deficit, the list goes on.

 

[Wolfhunter]

You know what they say, if you can't fix something, blame someone else!

 

[Sugarcane]

You think that American army cannot scuttle crackers in their zone of influence? They are far too smart to let it get to them. Why do you think Afghan now has a credible force and why do you think they are getting trained?

At bold part, Looks like you are living in parallel universe or I am not good enough to get the joke. US got screwed in Vietnam and China had to bail her out, Iraq, Libya are also disaster for her, failed in Syria and crying like babies whose lollipop is snatched in Afghanistan.

America does not want to declare victory and leave. They want to have a residue force and they don't mind a small attrition. Again who is more desperate? FATF, World bank, Failing CPEC projects, ever increasing current account deficit, the list goes on.

All regional countries who matter in Afghanistan are on same page, US now can stay there as long as they'll allow her to stay, we have no problem if uncle Sam want to burn trillion dollar more and bleed for 20 more years, we are not in hurry. As far as economic problems are concerned, it will be taken care of you don't need to worry.

 

[Lucky Breeze]

Love this man, May God bless his soul

If US wants to use us as a tissue then deal with it.

 

[YeBeWarned]

don't put your failures on us ...

LeGend has it that America is still Winning in Afghanistan ..

 

[Cookie Monster]

Proof now: Abotabad. For a minute can you imagine OBL in a military garrison town with no knowledge of ISI or top brass of the military.

Pathological liars: rulers in Pak have lied about drone strikes where they show bravado but in the background lease airports to US for drone strikes

Pakistan's support to Haqqani Network: why is War on Terror selective without even going to Kashmir centric groups. If the intent was clear and all cards on the table then why the duplecy.

I can give you many more examples. Depends on whether I m wasting my time.

Right OBL was head of Al-Qaeda...I never disputed that...ur earlier argument was about Pak supporting Taliban for which I asked for proof.

As for drone strikes inside Pak...the reason is two folds.
1) Afghanistan starts crying the moment Pakistan tries to fence the border...the border is porous and hard to monitor in its entirety. This allows free movement of militants from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Hence whether or not they are supported by Pak...regardless they are sometimes found inside Pak territory and hence taken out by drone strikes.
2) Pak can't really tell US no if they want to continue receiving the military aid. There are other benefits associated with it too. It's not that Pak lacks the capability to detect/track/shoot American drones...it's just that it would cause animosity with USA...and USA being a superpower and Pak depending on it for various needs...
...suffice to say that a scenario where Pak looks the other way when a drone strike happens is a better scenario than Pak shooting down an American drone.

Haqqanis are not only based in Afghanistan. A large part of them is also based in Pak(they are remnants of the Cold War era Afghan Mujahideen). Look up how many terrorist attacks happened in Pak before WoT and then look up how the terrorist attacks sky rocketed. That's bcuz when Pak/US turned against the very militants they raised to fight USSR, naturally they turned against US/Pak

...the difference here is that for US this problem is "not in my backyard"...for Pak the fight was here on its own land. Pak created an enemy for itself out of thin air. The reason why Pak doesn't touch the Haqqanis is for the same reason. It would create a whole new mess all over again. Why create an enemy out of thin air again? And for what? What exactly did Pak gain with the previous WoT? Loss of lives, financial losses, blow to the economy? And after all that what did Pak gain?
...US/West is all clean now for some reason after creating Mujahideen and then fighting them
...but Pak is still maligned despite doing that exact same thing

So why should Pak create another enemy in the Haqqanis? There is only losses awaiting and no gains

As for Kashmir militants u mention...give it a rest...this thread isn't about the Indian narrative. I can discuss that too in detail(in another relevant thread) but this thread is of a different subject.

So this brings us back to the topic at hand. There is a plethora of evidence of Pak fighting WoT and making sacrifices...give me cold hard data like that of Pak's "double game"...other than rants of random ppl.

 

[M. Sarmad]

... why is War on Terror selective without even going to Kashmir centric groups. If the intent was clear and all cards on the table then why the duplecy.

Kashmir Insurgency/Freedom Struggle is legitimate ...

 

[illusion8]

At bold part, Looks like you are living in parallel universe or I am not good enough to get the joke. US got screwed in Vietnam and China had to bail her out, Iraq, Libya are also disaster for her, failed in Syria and crying like babies whose lollipop is snatched in Afghanistan.



All regional countries who matter in Afghanistan are on same page, US now can stay there as long as they'll allow her to stay, we have no problem if uncle Sam want to burn trillion dollar more and bleed for 20 more years, we are not in hurry. As far as economic problems are concerned, it will be taken care of you don't need to worry.

What do you think was their goals in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan or even Vietnam?

 

[Tom M]

Kashmir Insurgency/Freedom Struggle is legitimate ...

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Right...it's all good and jolly discussing possibilities...but when we discuss reality it's based on proof. Pakistan's loss of lives, financial losses, decade long war on terror can all be proven and backed up with cold hard data. In comparison all u find is some rants of ppl here and there saying Pakistan is playing a double game...where is the proof? Without proof it may as well be fiction.

You might consider the interview with Benazir Bhutto where she states that Pakistan has thrown a lot of money and resources at the Taliban as proof of the tight relationship.
This has been discussed several times on PDF, so the links should be easy to find.