Pakistan: Man accused of blasphemy shot dead at court trial

[Thorough Pro]

For a moment swap Pakistani Mulsims with American Whites and Pakistani Qadyani with Black Americans. Now count how many innocent unarmed Blacks are killed in America on a daily basis not by random people but by State sponsored racist terrorists wearing police uniforms and compare that with how many Qadyanis are killed in Pakistan.

Your one day's score would beat Pakistan's one full year's score by a big margin.
Now go look in a mirror and spit on your own fugly racist face.

It is amazing how fragile are some believers. Their faith is so weak they cannot stand the temptation of simply hearing a contrary thought. Blaming the victim is also a telling refuge of the weak. Blasphemy laws are a clear sign of a society's intellectual laziness and conformity to the lowest of the low common denominator.

 

[TruthSeeker]

For a moment swap Pakistani Mulsims with American Whites and Pakistani Qadyani with Black Americans. Now count how many innocent unarmed Blacks are killed in America on a daily basis not by random people but by State sponsored racist terrorists wearing police uniforms and compare that with how many Qadyanis are killed in Pakistan.

Your one day's score would beat Pakistan's one full year's score by a big margin.
Now go look in a mirror and spit on your own fugly racist face.

You, sir, are so totally misinformed it is scary. Everything you say above about America is untrue. I hope your hate burns a hole through your stomach as it surely has through your soul.

 

[Moonlight]

Then why do anything at all in life? You are arguably going to be upsetting some horde or mob of people to some degree no matter what you do...once you let mobs be judge, jury and executioner.

How can we measure that (faith, sentiments, emotions etc) with some absolute reference?..given they are known and experienced by the individual only by their very definition...and are inevitably communalized by force for very disturbing purpose in the larger human psyche?

We can only measure action by an absolute reference i.e evidence (since an action happens)....not the thoughts and feelings behind it.

This is why rule of law (governed by evidence relating to action) has to be there...giving same benefit of doubt to every citizen, everyone is innocent till proven guilty...and there is process of law and courts to be applied ultimately using evidence of action.

Without that.... every action you do can simply be interpreted by a large enough mob/horde (by virtue of enough size to dictate upon you) in some way if they emotionally want a result on you that they will then justify using that interpretation.

The whole concept of what does the mob/horde think means you just stray to a full society of mobs and hordes. Ultimately it rips society and country apart altogether....into said mobs and hordes with their own relative laws and forces within them....changing on a whim, all allied only to the concept of mob action and its force it can bring to bear. That is why this has to be called out and nipped in the bud always....rather than justified or encouraged even if you bear a similar sentiment (at some scale) to some action it does one day...because it definitely will not be so another day.

An absolute reference and reverence for law to the foundation and operation of a country is of paramount importance. Supporting or justifying mob "vigilantism" is the antithesis for that...you do not want those gaps (to such basic law and order) to sustain and self-feed...it will lead to opposite of law and order.

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First thing first, I stated in my edited part “no one has a right to take laws in his hands”.
And secondly, blasphemy is well defined as per to Islamic and Pakistani laws.

See mostly Muslim posters here fully condemned the hatred posts against any religion. But when it comes to Islam, there’s a concept of “blasphemy law” and why would one even do something that can offend the majority and create a lot of problems? Denigrating any other religion is offensive but when it comes to some basic rules and laws of Islam that people have strong stance on. And when someone insult the basic laws of Islam and people react, they are called extremists.

ALL I AM SAYING IS, A MATURE PERSON WHO UNDERSTANDS THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS NEEDS TO BE CONDEMNED TOO WHEN HE INTENTIONALLY HURT THE SENTIMENTS OF A LARGE GEOUP OF PEOPLE.

I know no one is ready for this conversation

I say it again, he should not be killed by any individual when the case was already presented in court.

 

[Thorough Pro]

You, sir, are so totally misinformed it is scary. Everything you say above about America is untrue. I hope your hate burns a hole through your stomach as it surely has through your soul.

Hahaha ... I like that, original, coming from someone who is afraid of seeing in his own eyes in the mirror, asking the question and then honestly giving the answer.

I don't claim to be fully informed but I am certainly not misinformed. All my sources are US-based and available on the net, just type "Police killings in America".

If you have a better and more authentic source, please use that and then ask yourself, is the number of innocent Black men killed by the state (Police) in America in a day is bigger or smaller than all the Qadiani people Killed in Pakistan in one full year.

When you get the answer, go look in the mirror and ask yourself, "Am I qualified to judge or criticize any other nation on the face of this planet regarding any killings or human right abuses?"

We'll save you the embarrassment, don't tell us what you find out.

 

[Nilgiri]

First thing first, I stated in my edited part “no has a right to take laws in his hands”.
And secondly, blasphemy is well defined as per to Islamic and Pakistani laws.

See mostly Muslim posters here fully condemned the hatred posts against any religion. But when it comes to Islam, there’s a concept of “blasphemy law” and why would one even done something can offend the majority and create a lot of problems? Denigrating any other religion is offensive but when it comes to some basic rules and laws of Islam that people have strong stance on. And when someone insult the basic laws of Islam and people react, they are called extremists.

ALL I AM SAYING IS, A MATURE PERSON WHO UNDERSTANDS THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS NEEDS TO BE CONDEMNED TOO WHEN HE INTENTIONALLY HURT THE SENTIMENTS OF A LARGE GEOUP OF PEOPLE.

I know no one is ready for this conversation

I say it again, he should not be killed by any individual when the case was already presented in court.

Yes I read your reply and edit.

Just airing out my thought on matter at large, not directed against any post specifically. I tend to do that, you know me ... I only thought later darn I should have made that clear...but anyway wanted to see your reply first

If he broke the law, then he's culpable to face the consequences of legal nature.

That is his responsibility given the rights the state bequeaths him. That should be the scope for consequences.

Anything else (shunning etc by community) is by personal decision under legal operation too.

I mean its been brought up that he had mental issues going on, so law (written for one in mental soundness) has to again be analysed properly in court of law for the individual.

A larger population of people often do not get that.

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Bili ki wet Dreams

hahaha its already done it infront of judge sahab

 

[Moonlight]

Yes I read your reply and edit.

Just airing out my thought on matter at large, not directed against any post specifically. I tend to do that, you know me ... I only thought later darn I should have made that clear...but anyway wanted to see your reply first

If he broke the law, then he's culpable to face the consequences of legal nature.

That is his responsibility given the rights the state bequeaths him. That should be the scope for consequences.

Anything else (shunning etc by community) is by personal decision under legal operation too.

I mean its been brought up that he had mental issues going on, so law (written for one in mental soundness) has to again be analysed properly in court of law for the individual.

A larger population of people often do not get that.

I do agree with your post though.

But all I am saying is, people also need to be cautious.
Now this educated man who commits blasphemy every now and then on twitter. If something happens to him, everyone will call people extremists. When he is an adult mature and educated person to understand the consequences of his actions.

 

[maithil]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1288510996164808704

 

[MilSpec]

I do agree with your post though.

But all I am saying is, people also need to be cautious.
Now this educated man who commits blasphemy every now and then on twitter. If something happens to him, everyone will call people extremists. When he is an adult mature and educated person to understand the consequences of his actions.

is/Are god/s on twitter too?

 

[Nilgiri]

I do agree with your post though.

But all I am saying is, people also need to be cautious.
Now this educated man who commits blasphemy every now and then on twitter. If something happens to him, everyone will call people extremists. When he is an adult mature and educated person to understand the consequences of his actions.

Yes obviously, if you get rights, you have responsibilities. One does not come without the other.

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

Again, claiming and associating absolute nonsense with Islam and Allah. You just blasphemed, again.



According to Islam and the Quran, Prophets were sent to every single group of people in the world. Prophet-hood in Islam is not dependent on ancestral lineage. Please don't spread nonsense about Islam.

WHERE I JUST BLASPHEMED AGAIN, if some one call jhidai as a joker wht u think what reaction will come ??? Mr MODERATOR : What ever I wrote its not Non sense and not violation of any PDF RULES.

 

[I.R.A]

This baygharat & un-Islamic act of declaring Ahmadis non-Muslims needs to be repealed, and more and more people need to speak up against this.

So you blame others to be the thaikaydar of Islam and you yourself become one when it suits your narrative? Un Islamic act? How so?

This is what Mr Ghulam Ahmed Mirza used to think of non Qadiyanis.

"the founder of Ahmadiyya Jamaat said that the torment of the plague descended upon the opponents as a result of their denial and hostility towards him. Accordingly, Allah the Almighty rendered his claim truthful by safeguarding him and his family from the plague and the people of his town as compared to other towns. Moreover, those who believed him were saved far more than those who did not believe him."

I don't know why you had to turn this thread into Qadiyani vs non Qadiyani there was no need for it.

However please do spare some time to answer some very pertinent questions

Did Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Mirza claim to be recipient of divine revelations? (he did) but still I will love to read your answer.

"The fact is that in the divine revelations of which I am the recipient, words such as ‘messenger’, ‘apostle’ and ‘prophet’ appear not once, but hundreds of times."


If Mr. Ghulam Ahmed Mirza claimed to be a prophet a messenger and a recipient of divine revelations then his claim that he is a reformer only is contradictory and full of lies, no other Prophet, Messenger or Prophet Messenger acted the way Mr. GAM acted.

Where is the Divine book? Like Quran, Bible and other Holy books where is the Divine book given to Mr. GAM? If what he wrote himself is to be considered to be a Divine book ..... then why Qadiyanis have to still use Quran? Every Prophet, every Messenger and every Prophet Messenger brought new divine law .... whereas Mr GAM fooled Muslims and divided them when they needed to stay united.

The fact is Mr GAM was mentally disturbed, or else he would never have refused to attend funeral of his own non Qadiyani son

If Khatim un Nabiyun is "Seal of Prophets" (as Qadiyanis want us to believe) then where is seal for Mr. GAM? And if Khatim un Nabiyun is "Finality of Prophets" (as Muslims believe) then Mr GAM is a liar a fraudster a cheat who has tried maligning and harming Muslims and their religion.

This is how he used Quran's verses to fool people

“He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it prevail over every other religion, even though the idolaters may dislike it” (See Barahin-e-Ahmadiyya Part III, p. 157 [English Translation]). In this revelation, this humble one has been clearly addressed as ‘messenger’."

I can go on there is enough to prove what is what and who is who .........

PS: Before you label me as an extremist that wants all Qadiyanis dead .... I don't believe there is any punishment for apostasy in Islam, I am all for rights of Qadiyanis as minority citizens, but no one can stop me from fighting a clear identity theft case.

 

[Trango Towers]

pakistan is sinking in extremism and can not breath under this monster .

This blasphemy law must be banned...its there only to settle personal scores.
Out prophet pbuh was abused and he was forgiving. Here every nutjob wants blood

 

[Imran Khan]

This blasphemy law must be banned...its there only to settle personal scores.
Out prophet pbuh was abused and he was forgiving. Here every nutjob wants blood

Now its impossible sir . Ghaziyoo ki fauj ban chuki hai ab

 

[Suff Shikan]

This blasphemy law must be banned...its there only to settle personal scores.
Out prophet pbuh was abused and he was forgiving. Here every nutjob wants blood

Kindly donot refer to that Old Lady Story if u can share me a reference from authentic Aalim with Historic reference Book, plz share... this story was cooked in 100 to1 50 yrs of timespan, Our Holy Prophet S.A.W ordered the execution of the blasphemer even the one is holding the Holy Kaaba, and the same was done by Sahaba R.A at the event of Victory of Makkah.